Tanaka Watch Thread (Cubs Edition)

[dabynsky]

Gordon Wittenmyer tweet:

Beware reports suggesting Cubs have high offer on table for Tanaka or that he's favoring Cubs. Multiple sources say Cubs remain long shots.

So like everything related to Tanaka it is one thing and then something completely different a couple hours later.

 

[Shawon0Meter]

the Cubs are putting out their own rumors to fool fans into thinking they tried. tommy nickels and boy blunder have been busted

 

[DewsSox79]

Gordon Wittenmyer tweet:
So like everything related to Tanaka it is one thing and then something completely different a couple hours later.

this is getting dumb. cant wait until he signs somewhere to baseball can move on.

according to mlbtr: yanks,dodgers,dbax,wsox put in offers by the 16th. "nearly" all put 100 in which means the sox low balled to get PR and the cubs im just not sure now


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[Flacco4Prez]

The report I read said the Cubs offered 8 years/$160 million plus the posting fee. NOt 7 years as some of you said. Then again there have been so many conflicting reports on this it doesn't even matter. I don't think the White Sox or D-Backs can afford to sign him in case he doesn't pan out. If the Dodgers, Cubs, or Yankees got him and he busts they won't be crushed for the rest of the deal

 

[DewsSox79]

The report I read said the Cubs offered 8 years/$160 million plus the posting fee. NOt 7 years as some of you said. Then again there have been so many conflicting reports on this it doesn't even matter. I don't think the White Sox or D-Backs can afford to sign him in case he doesn't pan out. If the Dodgers, Cubs, or Yankees got him and he busts they won't be crushed for the rest of the deal

white sox are in much better financially than the cubs. our owner owns the sox as a hobby and really his only concern is breaking even. JR has his hands in everything so he can do what he wants with the sox. The yanks and dodgers are the only teams that wouldnt be crushed...do NOT add the cubs to that as they are still having issues financially. this move would only be for PR, tickets, revenue in merch..it would be an investment for those purposes, if he fails it could get some personnel fired. Instead of looking at attendance to deem a team "they can/cant afford (player x) do some research on complete overhead and what losses can be written off.


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[Chris J]

I just stopped listening to rumors plain and simple. Haven't Cubs fans learned that by yet.

Dempster to the Braves? Marmol to the Angels?

 

[nickofypres]

The report I read said the Cubs offered 8 years/$160 million plus the posting fee. NOt 7 years as some of you said. Then again there have been so many conflicting reports on this it doesn't even matter. I don't think the White Sox or D-Backs can afford to sign him in case he doesn't pan out. If the Dodgers, Cubs, or Yankees got him and he busts they won't be crushed for the rest of the deal

Don't let 'em fool you.


Sox have a ton of cash. People who believe that the Sox can't "spend .50 when they only have a dollar" or if attendance is low so we cant trade for players need to get in touch with reality. Do people really believe that a team in Chicago, Illinois, that has had no debt on its stadium, gets revenue from TV, Radio, and from the team pot (I forgot what its called), really think it only breaks even?

I used to roll my eyes when KW would say like: "well, attendance was only 1.8M so payroll is at only $90M this season (or whatever)." I mean, really, they fucking expect anyone to believe that shit?

If JR really wanted to run this thing like Boston, Texas, or the pre-Madoff Mets, he could.

 

[nickofypres]

Gordon Wittenmyer tweet:
So like everything related to Tanaka it is one thing and then something completely different a couple hours later.

Neo-journalism is about being the first to break the story, and not about having the facts straight.

Its going to be a fucking circus until Friday.

 

[beckdawg]

While I'm not particularly thrilled by the idea of paying someone who's never pitched in the majors $25+ mil, if Kershaw at a similar age is worth over $30 and Tanaka is supposedly a #2 then I guess $25 mil isn't "crazy." I'm just more worried if he pitches like a #3/4 or worse. It's great that he's young but that only matters if he's also good which we just don't know.

I also don't get this "it's a pr move for the cubs talk." Who the hell cares if they tried or not if they don't actually sign him? You think a casual fan is going to say "well they tried." Of course not they are going to see a bad team on the field and not go to games. So who exactly is it going to appease? How good is the PR for Darvish and Ryu? Plus, if it was a PR move only then why wouldn't they be in on every big name player like Ellsbury, Cano...etc and manage to come up second there too?

 

[dabynsky]

The report I read said the Cubs offered 8 years/$160 million plus the posting fee. NOt 7 years as some of you said. Then again there have been so many conflicting reports on this it doesn't even matter. I don't think the White Sox or D-Backs can afford to sign him in case he doesn't pan out. If the Dodgers, Cubs, or Yankees got him and he busts they won't be crushed for the rest of the deal

Tom Loxas is the one reporting 7 years/160 million contract offer. That would be be an amount that blows the rest of those 6 years/120ish million offers out of the water. Then we get into the situation does he turn down significant amount of money for preferences we assume he has.

Thankfully everything has to be done by Friday which means we actually should know by Tuesday or Wednesday next week. Can't wait for this to be over.

 

[brett05]

Tom Loxas is the one reporting 7 years/160 million contract offer. That would be be an amount that blows the rest of those 6 years/120ish million offers out of the water. Then we get into the situation does he turn down significant amount of money for preferences we assume he has.

Thankfully everything has to be done by Friday which means we actually should know by Tuesday or Wednesday next week. Can't wait for this to be over.

Teams aside, 7/160 should be refused. Its only 2.8 million more per season and it could cost him playing where he wants (minor) and being a free agent for another mwssive deal based on age (major)

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[Boobaby1]

Teams aside, 7/160 should be refused. Its only 2.8 million more per season and it could cost him playing where he wants (minor) and being a free agent for another mwssive deal based on age (major)

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Since the Cubs probably know that just money might not land him, I think they will try to also entice him with "Perks-O-Plenty", and there could me a ton of ways to do it.

 

[brett05]

Since the Cubs probably know that just money might not land him, I think they will try to also entice him with "Perks-O-Plenty", and there could me a ton of ways to do it.

Perks that no other team can offer? Its gotta be cash imo and probably 5 million more per year

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[Boobaby1]

Perks that no other team can offer? Its gotta be cash imo and probably 5 million more per year

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Sure they can offer perks, and so can every other team. Chicago can't match the West or East Coast, and I know that the Cubs would have to significantly overpay. Same with the Sox.

What I am saying is, that to land him, the teams may have to get more creative IMO whereas lets say the LA teams or NY may not feel the need to do as much because of the allure of the respective cities and teams for that matter.

I am not sure that money is going to solely win this one out. Of course, if the Cubs do indeed post the largest amount and he accepts, I surely won't mind being wrong.

 

[dabynsky]

Teams aside, 7/160 should be refused. Its only 2.8 million more per season and it could cost him playing where he wants (minor) and being a free agent for another mwssive deal based on age (major)

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40 million in cash is 40 million in cash. Especially since likely any deal will have an opt out clause that will let him hit the market again at a peak age.

 

[brett05]

40 million in cash is 40 million in cash. Especially since likely any deal will have an opt out clause that will let him hit the market again at a peak age.

This regime doesn't do opt out deals. Again costs a ton more by becoming a fa a year later

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[dabynsky]

This regime doesn't do opt out deals. Again costs a ton more by becoming a fa a year later

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We will see what happens, but it appears like opt-out clauses are becoming a part of business. Either way the reality is that if 7/160 is the offer it is substantial more than the other reported offers. Either way we will see what leaks out in the next few days.

 

[brett05]

We will agree to disagree on substantial esp as it relates to the Cubs on this deal

The Cubs don't do ntc either. In the absense of proof the evidence days the Cubs don't do opt out deals either

Like everyone says it will be over soon. Hopefully today

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[dabynsky]

We will agree to disagree on substantial esp as it relates to the Cubs on this deal

The Cubs don't do ntc either. In the absense of proof the evidence days the Cubs don't do opt out deals either

Like everyone says it will be over soon. Hopefully today

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I suppose so, but you said to take teams out of the equation in comparing the contracts. The 7/160 is higher in both AAV and years. That is the better offer. Is it enough for him to choose the Cubs? I don't know, but it is a much better financial package than the other reported offers which appear to be in the 6 year/110-125 ish range.

 

[TL1961]

Teams aside, 7/160 should be refused. Its only 2.8 million more per season and it could cost him playing where he wants (minor) and being a free agent for another mwssive deal based on age (major)

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One additional year would tie him down and cost him another contract?

By that logic he should sign for 5. Or 4. Or 3.

"SIX minute abs??"