Tanaka Watch Thread (Cubs Edition)

[TL1961]

Since the Cubs probably know that just money might not land him, I think they will try to also entice him with "Perks-O-Plenty", and there could me a ton of ways to do it.

Someone posted here some quotes from Curt Schilling about how Theo recruited him to Boston. Said he addressed items he knew were important to Curt, and left no stone unturned. How well he learns these things about a Japanese pitcher may be difficult. But he doesn't rely on dollars alone.

 

[brett05]

I suppose so, but you said to take teams out of the equation in comparing the contracts. The 7/160 is higher in both AAV and years. That is the better offer. Is it enough for him to choose the Cubs? I don't know, but it is a much better financial package than the other reported offers which appear to be in the 6 year/110-125 ish range.

Again better? Yes. Much? Very debateble

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[brett05]

One additional year would tie him down and cost him another contract?

By that logic he should sign for 5. Or 4. Or 3.

"SIX minute abs??"

It could be the diff in a longer contract for more money than not. Security matters unless it jeopardizes future earnings which a seven year deal does vs a six

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[chibears55]

reading tweets the last 2 days from cubs convention, I saw one that says the cubs scout have been watching Tanaka pitch since he was 19 which is why they are going all out for him because they have seen him pitch against tough competition..

ive also read that its possible that if they don't use the full payroll this yr { if they don't get Tanaka}, they{ hoyer/Epstein} will be able to carry over payroll difference into next year.

http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/cubs/post/_/id/20991/in-fan-q-a-epstein-defends-ownership

http://chicagocubsonline.com/archiv...eet-cubs-baseball-management.php#.UtvxlJXnbIU

 

[DewsSox79]

I personally think 160 plus post is stupid for the cubs. once again seeing a lot of theo backers for a move that really doesnt put you that much closer. if he doesnt pan out it will be even worse.


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[Shawon0Meter]

If he's not going to help a contending Cubs team over a 6.7.8 year deal then everything was a massive failure anyway.

 

[Capt. Serious]

I personally think 160 plus post is stupid for the cubs. once again seeing a lot of theo backers for a move that really doesnt put you that much closer. if he doesnt pan out it will be even worse.


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prospects & stuffz!

 

[dabynsky]

Right this is what I find funny when this gets brought into the Theo Epstein stuff. Cubs go after top pitching target on the free agent market who will step into a major league rotation this season. Appear to be willing to spend more than anyone else and that is bad thing because prospectzz and stuff?

 

[patg006]

I personally think 160 plus post is stupid for the cubs. once again seeing a lot of theo backers for a move that really doesnt put you that much closer. if he doesnt pan out it will be even worse.

Of course its stupid, but its what the cubs have to do to get him.

NY has playoff opportunities, a 'damn the costs' FO that will do whatever it can to get the players to win, money, and the pop star life door for Tanaka's wife.

LA has the same thing, except better weather.

The cubs have........really nice lottery tickets and an easier media backlash when Tanaka stinks up a start or two compared to LA or NYC.

Be honest, if you're Tanaka, what will realistically make you choose Chicago over NYC and LA?

The Cubs have to overpay tenfold. If they want him, they gotta pony up the dough.

I kind of want Tanaka to troll everybody and pick the white sox......cubs fans would be salty. It'd make sense. They got better odds of winning than the cubs do, a good rotation, far superior line up and an easier, not guaranteed division. Also zero media back bite after a shitty outing. Plus DJ would find a way to hate me more.

 

[Jntg4]

I personally think 160 plus post is stupid for the cubs. once again seeing a lot of theo backers for a move that really doesnt put you that much closer. if he doesnt pan out it will be even worse.


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Fans ***** about not spending, Theo awful.
Cubs stupid for spending, Theo awful.

 

[X]

Fans ***** about not spending, Theo awful.
Cubs stupid for spending, Theo awful.

Yeah - everyone's the smartest GM in the world...lol

 

[DewsSox79]

Fans ***** about not spending, Theo awful.
Cubs stupid for spending, Theo awful.

it doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize the difference between spending stupid and spending smart. 160 million is stupid. if you think its worth signing a pitcher to 160 million for a guy who has never pitched in the mlb and is NOT projected to be an ace that is ok with me. it just shows how much kool aid you have been drinking.




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[TL1961]

I personally think 160 plus post is stupid for the cubs. once again seeing a lot of theo backers for a move that really doesnt put you that much closer. if he doesnt pan out it will be even worse.


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You tell us the Cubs are stupid with their offer because you think they'll get him.

But if the Sox get him, you'll be here boasting.

 

[dabynsky]

it doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize the difference between spending stupid and spending smart. 160 million is stupid. if you think its worth signing a pitcher to 160 million for a guy who has never pitched in the mlb and is NOT projected to be an ace that is ok with me. it just shows how much kool aid you have been drinking.




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Under 23 million AAV doesn't buy you an ace on the open market. It doesn't even buy you an ace in pre-free agency extensions. Kershaw just got 30 million. King Felix got 25 with two years before free agency. And Verlander got over 25 million with two years prior to free agency. You guys really have to start adjusting to the market because low 20 million is hardly ace money anymore.

 

[Shawon0Meter]

It's hard to say where the line is drawn on being too much for Tanaka because of the obvious unique situation. Yes, you have the big fact he's unproven in MLB. BUT a 25 year old pitcher projected to be a good #2 or maybe even a #1 available without giving up any prospects? That doesn't happen. If you trust your scouts, there's one chance in a long time to pull something like that off.

 

[JosMin]

Under 23 million AAV doesn't buy you an ace on the open market. It doesn't even buy you an ace in pre-free agency extensions. Kershaw just got 30 million. King Felix got 25 with two years before free agency. And Verlander got over 25 million with two years prior to free agency. You guys really have to start adjusting to the market because low 20 million is hardly ace money anymore.

Which is one thing that I'm not fully understanding -- free agency is putting a premium on starting pitching, yet managers are putting the premium on having a deeper bullpen. A true "ace" is going to net $25MM+ AAV, a number two somewhere between $17 and 20MM AAV. When you consider that managers are utilizing bullpens earlier and earlier due to pitch counts and the fear of blowing arms out, it just seems to go against conventional wisdom. But, again, that's why none of us are GMs.

 

[chibears55]

Masahiro Tanaka Rumors: Sunday

By*Edward Creech*[January 19, 2014 at 2:15pm CST]Masahiro Tanaka*will*reportedly*command a contract in the neighborhood of $120MM over six years (plus the expected $20MM posting fee) and is said to have received such an offer from the*Diamondbacks. Here's the latest with five days remaining before Tanaka's posting period expires Friday at 4pm CT:Tanaka's decision should come Tuesday or Wednesday to allow time for further medical exams to take place prior to the Friday deadline, an AL scout tells*David Kaplan of CSNChicago.com*(via Twitter).Kaplan*tweets*the same scout tells him the*Cubs' current state is the biggest drawback in their landing Tanaka.*Yesterday, we learned the Cubs*made a formal offer*to Tanaka, but are considered*a long shot*to win the bidding.*The*White Sox, who also have reportedly have made a formal offer to Tanaka, are in the same boat as the Cubs,*tweets*Kaplan.The Mariners may have been priced out of contention for Tanaka or the 25-year-old's*interest in Seattle wasn’t as high as sjome thought, reports*the Seattle Times' Geoff Baker.*

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[chibears55]

Masahiro Tanaka Rumors: Sunday

By*Edward Creech*[January 19, 2014 at 2:15pm CST]Masahiro Tanaka*will*reportedly*command a contract in the neighborhood of $120MM over six years (plus the expected $20MM posting fee) and is said to have received such an offer from the*Diamondbacks. Here's the latest with five days remaining before Tanaka's posting period expires Friday at 4pm CT:Tanaka's decision should come Tuesday or Wednesday to allow time for further medical exams to take place prior to the Friday deadline, an AL scout tells*David Kaplan of CSNChicago.com*(via Twitter).Kaplan*tweets*the same scout tells him the*Cubs' current state is the biggest drawback in their landing Tanaka.*Yesterday, we learned the Cubs*made a formal offer*to Tanaka, but are considered*a long shot*to win the bidding.*The*White Sox, who also have reportedly have made a formal offer to Tanaka, are in the same boat as the Cubs,*tweets*Kaplan.The Mariners may have been priced out of contention for Tanaka or the 25-year-old's*interest in Seattle wasn’t as high as sjome thought, reports*the Seattle Times' Geoff Baker.*

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we go by this, the DBacks that no one talks about are favored to land him..

guess we can only wait these next 2-3 says for his decision.

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[chibears55]

Which is one thing that I'm not fully understanding -- free agency is putting a premium on starting pitching, yet managers are putting the premium on having a deeper bullpen. A true "ace" is going to net $25MM+ AAV, a number two somewhere between $17 and 20MM AAV. When you consider that managers are utilizing bullpens earlier and earlier due to pitch counts and the fear of blowing arms out, it just seems to go against conventional wisdom. But, again, that's why none of us are GMs.

not every team has or can afford a 20-30 mil per Ace.
so yes those managers would be relying more on a top notch bullpen.. come to think of it, it probably would cost about that much total for a solid pen.

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[DewsSox79]

Under 23 million AAV doesn't buy you an ace on the open market. It doesn't even buy you an ace in pre-free agency extensions. Kershaw just got 30 million. King Felix got 25 with two years before free agency. And Verlander got over 25 million with two years prior to free agency. You guys really have to start adjusting to the market because low 20 million is hardly ace money anymore.

you dont need an "ace" like player like verlander,felix,kershaw etc. you need a rotation that is all 2s and 3s. also...tanaka is NOT projected to be an ace. so you are giving an unknown 160 million. that is a huge huge gamble. so if the market is upper 20s low 30s..,tanaka should not get that.


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