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It'll be good this year but they do have a lot of money tied up in older players
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It's a message board, I'm allowed to have my own opinion on everything and if you choose to be an asshole instead of debate.. then that's up to you. Must be a liberal..
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i did in the counter to your mariners comments but you decided to not back it up and deflect. try harder.
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Im not gonna respond when you be an ass about it.
I would rather have Rizzo going forward.
-Rizzo had a very low BABIP at .258, Seager's was at .298.
-They both have about the same Strikeout percentage, I think it's .4% off.
- has a much better walk percentage and despite hitting .233 compared to Seager at .260, Rizzo still an OBP not from off of Seager's.
-Rizzo has more projected power
-Rizzo is gold glover caliber and one could make an argument that he deserved to win a gold glove this past year..
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I made that my ava 2 1/2 years ago and I have never really cared to take the time to change it
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Change your avatar to a picture of me. Right now.
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Not really. The Yanks are garbage and have no assets in their farm system. The Cubs with an ace like Tanaka and guys like Baez, Bryant, etc. being called up (hopefully sooner than later) would immediately change the culture.
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I changed my avatar guys! now we can have a real discussion!!!!!!!!!
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But you didn't change it to a picture of me. F-
Back on topic -- blah blah yak okay so it's tomorrow in Japan and nobody's announced that Tanaka is going to pitch for a team that isn't the Cubs. Hmph.
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When people going to learn that NYY dont build through farm. They build by spending money. Made playoffs 19 out last 21 yrs that way. Won 27 WS that way. There more then just 1 way to build. Big Markets can build couple different ways. NYY and LAD build by spending money. Cubs decided to build using farm
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Derek Jeter, Andy Pettitte, Bernie Williams, Jorge Posada, Mariano Rivera, Ramiero Mendoza, etc, were all home-grown. When the Yankees were in the midst of their dynasty run in the late 90s/early 2000s, the core of their roster was always the same. They supplemented roster holes with savvy free agency pickups like Chad Curtis, Chili Davis and Scott Brosius and traded for some of their bullpen help like Jeff Nelson and Mike Stanton. It wasn't really until after they lost to the D'Backs that they started offering ridiculous contracts to free agents. And guess what? During that time (2002-2008), they didn't win shit.
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It continues to surprise me how bitter people here are.
As for Tanaka making NYY/SEA competitive, I'm not really so sure. Last year the Yanks were -21 run differential. Seattle was -130. Generally speaking you need to be at least +30 runs in run differential to have a good shot at the playoffs.
Between the addition of Ellsbury, McCann and Tanaka the yanks should be better but I'm pretty sure they still aren't as good as the Red Sox and you can make a case that Tampa is still better. The thing to remember is while they added two good players they also lost Cano. Fangraphs has Cano at 112 wRC(weight runs created) while the combined McCann/Ellsbury combo at 139. They also have a rather gaping hole at 3B and Kelly Johnson at 2B is average at best and that may be stretching it as he's been decently below average 2 of the past 3 years. The Yanks still could add someone like Stephen Drew and shift either him or Jeter to 3B and if they also did that then I think you can make the case of them being more of a contender. As is now, I feel like a lot will have to go well for them. You also have to wonder quite a bit about age with them. Soriano, Jeter, Ichiro....etc are all at an age where injuries might shelve them as well as Ellsbury's history and if they do then what?
The M's were fairly horrid pitching last year which is interesting considering they had 2 of the better pitchers in the AL last year. Saunders Harang and Maurer/Ramirez gave them nothing. So, clearly Tanaka may help in that regard. Walker also might as well leaving them with only a 5th starter to worry about. I'm still rather unconvinced though that it's enough. Last year 6 teams won 90 games in the AL and there were a number of other teams like KC who were hovering around 85 wins. The M's won 71 games last year. They were -78 runs below league average on offense and +58 runs above average in runs given up by their pitching. Cano helps that but you're probably talking +30 runs over Franklin/Ackley at 2B. And then they are likely playing Ackley in CF anyways so you're sort of just moving around the problem.
Tanaka quite frankly does nothing to make the 2014 cubs a better team because starting pitching wasn't their problem in 2013. However, that's not exactly the point. The point is he's a piece to build around going forward. Best case he's marginally better than the Garza/Arrieta/Rusin "starter" was last year. The M's and Yanks are obviously closer than the cubs but probably not as far off as some suspect. The cubs were -87 in run differential with around 30 of that being the difference between a pretty bad bullpen and a top 5 NL bullpen. That is the one area they have actually spent money on. I'm not sure if they will have a top 5 NL bullpen but if you conservatively say they give up 20 fewer runs that makes quite a bit of difference. Yes Soriano is gone but I really feel some overvalue what he gave the cubs. His horrid OBP accounted for why his wRC was 45 which is basically what Valbuena gave the cubs over similar at bats. You toss in bad seasons by Rizzo, Castro and Barney all of whom saw lion's share of at bats at on the team and you could argue that's the difference between them being in the negative in run differential. Castro and Barney alone were -48 wRC from 2012.
I'm not saying the cubs will win 80 games or anything. But Barney, Castro and Rizzo all had down years and they were top 3 on the team in plate appearances. There's no guarantee they will be any better but if they all play like they did in 2012 things may be different. I will however say they wont miss Soriano. That is to say I think the difference in runs wont be statistically significant and you can make the case that Lake and Sweeney both created more runs(Soriano's wRC+ was 101 to Lake and Sweeney's 109 and 110). I feel like I harp on it a lot but OBP matters and Soriano killed the cubs there last year. It wasn't just him. Barney and Castro did too as evident by their -48 wRC from 2012.
As for Tanaka making NYY/SEA competitive, I'm not really so sure. Last year the Yanks were -21 run differential. Seattle was -130. Generally speaking you need to be at least +30 runs in run differential to have a good shot at the playoffs.
Between the addition of Ellsbury, McCann and Tanaka the yanks should be better but I'm pretty sure they still aren't as good as the Red Sox and you can make a case that Tampa is still better. The thing to remember is while they added two good players they also lost Cano. Fangraphs has Cano at 112 wRC(weight runs created) while the combined McCann/Ellsbury combo at 139. They also have a rather gaping hole at 3B and Kelly Johnson at 2B is average at best and that may be stretching it as he's been decently below average 2 of the past 3 years. The Yanks still could add someone like Stephen Drew and shift either him or Jeter to 3B and if they also did that then I think you can make the case of them being more of a contender. As is now, I feel like a lot will have to go well for them. You also have to wonder quite a bit about age with them. Soriano, Jeter, Ichiro....etc are all at an age where injuries might shelve them as well as Ellsbury's history and if they do then what?
The M's were fairly horrid pitching last year which is interesting considering they had 2 of the better pitchers in the AL last year. Saunders Harang and Maurer/Ramirez gave them nothing. So, clearly Tanaka may help in that regard. Walker also might as well leaving them with only a 5th starter to worry about. I'm still rather unconvinced though that it's enough. Last year 6 teams won 90 games in the AL and there were a number of other teams like KC who were hovering around 85 wins. The M's won 71 games last year. They were -78 runs below league average on offense and +58 runs above average in runs given up by their pitching. Cano helps that but you're probably talking +30 runs over Franklin/Ackley at 2B. And then they are likely playing Ackley in CF anyways so you're sort of just moving around the problem.
Tanaka quite frankly does nothing to make the 2014 cubs a better team because starting pitching wasn't their problem in 2013. However, that's not exactly the point. The point is he's a piece to build around going forward. Best case he's marginally better than the Garza/Arrieta/Rusin "starter" was last year. The M's and Yanks are obviously closer than the cubs but probably not as far off as some suspect. The cubs were -87 in run differential with around 30 of that being the difference between a pretty bad bullpen and a top 5 NL bullpen. That is the one area they have actually spent money on. I'm not sure if they will have a top 5 NL bullpen but if you conservatively say they give up 20 fewer runs that makes quite a bit of difference. Yes Soriano is gone but I really feel some overvalue what he gave the cubs. His horrid OBP accounted for why his wRC was 45 which is basically what Valbuena gave the cubs over similar at bats. You toss in bad seasons by Rizzo, Castro and Barney all of whom saw lion's share of at bats at on the team and you could argue that's the difference between them being in the negative in run differential. Castro and Barney alone were -48 wRC from 2012.
I'm not saying the cubs will win 80 games or anything. But Barney, Castro and Rizzo all had down years and they were top 3 on the team in plate appearances. There's no guarantee they will be any better but if they all play like they did in 2012 things may be different. I will however say they wont miss Soriano. That is to say I think the difference in runs wont be statistically significant and you can make the case that Lake and Sweeney both created more runs(Soriano's wRC+ was 101 to Lake and Sweeney's 109 and 110). I feel like I harp on it a lot but OBP matters and Soriano killed the cubs there last year. It wasn't just him. Barney and Castro did too as evident by their -48 wRC from 2012.
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Another one? Really?
Because the Yankees have been historically successful because they only build farms.
Get back to me on that one, cupcake
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2002:103 wins 2003:101 wins 2004:101 wins 2005:95 wins 2006:97 wins 2007:94 wins 2008:89 wins with 1 world series appearence so im not sure what you mean "they didnt win shit" when IMO I will take my chances with those teams as the playoffs are a crap shoot. Your comment wasnt well thought out.
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one can make a case about the farm but lets not forget that they lead the majors in payroll how many years?
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We want results. Its not rocket science. It also hasn't happened.
Tanaka and his people don't see your stats within the stats. They don't care. They see a team in the Yankees with the culture and attitude that they want to win every year, no matter what the costs.
Then they look at the cubs and their mantra of 'trust us' with no attempt to try and improve the ML ball club. They just shelled out cash for him. Big cash.
I seriously doubt his people are saying 'hey, that Jacoby Elsbury will be 35 and a shell of himself in 4 years.' By then multiple contracts and new stars who got bought will be yankees, continuing their incessant way of life of plucking stars away from small markets with big contracts. And he will be guaranteed to make the playoffs at least once or twice.
I also seriously doubt Tanaka's people said 'hey, Darwin Barney had a 5 WAR 2 years ago! That's special and a dealbreaker!'
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