Teams that have a worse QB Situation

[onebud34]

Yeah but Seattle is not good because of picking very high. Hell, they are an example of the complete opposite, smart drafting and player acquisition . They have an NFL high 25 UDFA's on the active roster, their star QB is a 3rd rounder and top 2 defensive stars Chancellor and Freeman are 5th rounders

That's what I meant about a massive roster turnover.

What about Dallas? They're the only one that comes to mind that completely blew it up and had success. There was the "suck for Luck" Colts...but up until that year they didn't have a losing season in over a...shit too long to remember close to 2 decades?

 

[PrideisBears]

Yeah but Seattle is not good because of picking very high. Hell, they are an example of the complete opposite, smart drafting and player acquisition . They have an NFL high 25 UDFA's on the active roster, their star QB is a 3rd rounder and top 2 defensive stars Chancellor and Freeman are 5th rounders

Dallas really didn't blow up there roster either, they got good coaches, an actual offensive line and of course kept their star udfa qb

 

[PrideisBears]

That's what I meant about a massive roster turnover.

What about Dallas? They're the only one that comes to mind that completely blew it up and had success. There was the "suck for Luck" Colts...but up until that year they didn't have a losing season in over a...shit too long to remember close to 2 decades?

The Colts lost a hall of fame QB because of injury and really not wanting him anymore. I wouldn't call that a blow up. You lose a hall of fame we and of course it is going to hurt

 

[onebud34]

Dallas really didn't blow up there roster either, they got good coaches, an actual offensive line and of course kept their star udfa qb

Steve Pelluer was not a star QB by any means

 

[onebud34]

As for Dallas, Romo went undrafted, the whole premise for the need to suck for #1 group is to draft a QB.

I'm dating myself...but you said the last 30 years. I'm talking about the last time Dallas made a SB run

 

[PrideisBears]

Steve Pelluer was not a star QB by any means

He was decent

 

[onebud34]

He was decent

And he was a 5th rounder...not an udfa

 

[iueyedoc]

The most important decision this franchise has to make involves finding a new QB

There's nothing more important

And although you CAN find them towards the middle of the draft, your chances of finding a great one rise significantly the higher you pick

totally uncontroversial statements thus far, I hope

So this should debunk your argument about how tanking never helps. All those teams you mentioned never found a great QB. Thats why they've continued to suck despite picking high.

But great QBs are out there. They're not in every draft but there's usually one in every OTHER draft, and sometimes two. Picking high increases your chances of finding one.

The only team that has hit it rich for sucking for #1 was Indy, and they didn't blow it up, they lost Manning to injury and had the equivalent of Clausen run the team for a year.

And as for debunking the argument, actually the opposite is true. It proves my argument. JaMarcus Russell, RG3, Bortles ,Couch, Young, all top 3 picks by these teams, all thought to be sure fire studs, all failures (too early to tell on Bortles but Jax stll sucks). Yes, early round QB's are more successful, just like every position, but early first round (top 5) does not seem to impart any more chance for success than mid first rnd (6-15), which the Bears are almost sure to be drafting in.

You just seem to be locked in on Goff, but he isnt even a sure top 5 pick anyway.

 

[Run the ball]

How old were you in the mid 90's?? That was a clear blow it up and re-stock scenario, it's probably the best ever at doing so.

 

[Zion]

The only team that has hit it rich for sucking for #1 was Indy, and they didn't blow it up, they lost Manning to injury and had the equivalent of Clausen run the team for a year.

And as for debunking the argument, actually the opposite is true. It proves my argument. JaMarcus Russell, RG3, Bortles ,Couch, Young, all top 3 picks by these teams, all thought to be sure fire studs, all failures (too early to tell on Bortles but Jax stll sucks). Yes, early round QB's are more successful, just like every position, but early first round (top 5) does not seem to impart any more chance for success than mid first rnd (6-15), which the Bears are almost sure to be drafting in.

You just seem to be locked in on Goff, but he isnt even a sure top 5 pick anyway.

I consider the 'suck for Luck' year to be a tank year btw. It worked but you're right, it's rare that it works out that well.

You're right again that the #1 overall pick isn't absolutely necessary to find a great QB, the point is only to try and pick as high as possible to better your odds. In that sense, I think this is the most important thing this franchise has on its plate right now. It's not eking out another season of mediocrity, it's finding a franchise QB. Whether they do that in the top or middle of the first round, it doesn't matter to me, just that they start looking for that QB. Start cashing in those chips, start making picks high in the 1st round with the intention of finding him. The better this team gets this year, the further away we're likely to get from finding our next franchise QB. So yeah, I'm rooting for competence and confidence to build on, but I'm not necessarily rooting for wins right now.

 

[Bearly]

You can assume whatever you want about mere rumors, I don't know for sure how Fox feels and I don't know if he's capable of changing his mind from training camp till the end of the season. It's possible that Jay Cutler plays well, and Pace wants to trade him, but Fox says no I want to keep him. I like what I saw and I prefer him as an option over some rookie.

It's POSSIBLE

Pace admitted to 'listening'. Nobody on this team is safe including Jay. Has to do with value of a trade and balance of needs.

 

[Run the ball]

The suck for Luck thing was fabricated by the media. the Colts were just a talent depleted team due to drafting at the back end of round for 12+ years and Manning was the team

 

[ijustposthere]

Nah, I don't think any of us is afraid of Cutler playing well. We're scared of him playing juuuust mediocre enough to give yet another regime hope they can turn him around, like a fix-it girl continually sticking with the bad-boy-with-a-heart-of-gold who beats her.

LOL, what? This shit is just fucking stupid. If they were trying to trade him because of his track record, why would they suddenly fall in love with him for doing the exact same thing? It makes no fucking sense. He isn't a 26-27 year old with loads of untapped potential anymore. He's 31. What you see is what you get. He's probably going to be here next year, but after that, he's gone. It's practically a forgone conclusion.

 

[ijustposthere]

No shit? Really? The point is coming into this year Tannehill was young and ascending and already had a year better than any Cutler had ever had.

Great work missing the point though. Jesus. This board is ridiculous.

LOL, and you're still white knighting for a QB with a career 83 passer rating, despite his age. Don't get upset at me for pointing out your constant hypocrisy.

 

[iueyedoc]

LOL, what? This shit is just fucking stupid. If they were trying to trade him because of his track record, why would they suddenly fall in love with him for doing the exact same thing? It makes no fucking sense. He isn't a 26-27 year old with loads of untapped potential anymore. He's 31. What you see is what you get. He's probably going to be here next year, but after that, he's gone. It's practically a forgone conclusion.

If he plays at his historical level, quite likely true. Here is the nightmare scenario for some. Bears go 6-10 and draft the heir apparent, but retain Cutler after a 30 TD 12 INT 89 passer rating year, for his last guaranteed money year. He starts the season and leads the Bears to a 10-6 record with a wild card victory and loss in the divisional round. He ends the season 32TD 10INT 93 passer rating. He is now a 34 year old QB with a very reasonable contract (Cap rank #16 QB in 2017) playing at an above average level, but near untradable due to age.

What do you do then? Cut him and go with the unknown or ride him out?

 

[sulleymon]

Tannehill was rather easily better than Cutler last season.

Tannehill had better numbers, but he had the crap managed out of him last year. he's a half-field quarterback that you can't trust to make his own decisions.

 

[sulleymon]

and i don't like anyone in this draft class to be a better than Cutler, ever.

 

[airtime143]

Tannehill's career passer rating is 83...

Interestingly enough, Tannehill at 52 games in is in a virtual tie with Cutler 52 starts in to his career- Tannehill is at 83.4, Cutler was at 83.8.

Tannehill walked in to a far worse situation than cutler, with a FAR worse supporting cast around him.
That being said, lets call the 2 of them even since it is a bit easier to pass now.
Overall, I think Tannehill is on a decent path- lets see what this year brings.


As for the argument about the two of them- Tannehill is roughly at the point where Cutler was when the Bears traded the franchise for him, and the people coming down on Cutlers side of this are STILL holding out hope and making excuses for Jay.
They are also saying Tannehill is a bust.... Oh, the double standard.


Compare Jays 2008 to Tannehills 2014... Tannehill wins hands down. Yet 4 games removed from that season people are saying he is worse than a guy who is 7 years removed from his fluke season?
It makes zero sense.

Jay is no better than Tannehill, and we will have to wait and see if Tannehill can improve back to last years level and beyond, and that is that.

 

[Zion]

and i don't like anyone in this draft class to be a better than Cutler, ever.

This is the kinda talk that makes me nervous

 

[airtime143]

Tannehill had better numbers, but he had the crap managed out of him last year. he's a half-field quarterback that you can't trust to make his own decisions.

If you notice, Fox has hog-tied cutler in much the same way.
As for the managing of Tannehill, lets see where he goes- obviously Miami was tired of the guy that did the managing based on him getting fired.