Teams that have a worse QB Situation

[ijustposthere]

If he plays at his historical level, quite likely true. Here is the nightmare scenario for some. Bears go 6-10 and draft the heir apparent, but retain Cutler after a 30 TD 12 INT 89 passer rating year, for his last guaranteed money year. He starts the season and leads the Bears to a 10-6 record with a wild card victory and loss in the divisional round. He ends the season 32TD 10INT 93 passer rating. He is now a 34 year old QB with a very reasonable contract (Cap rank #16 QB in 2017) playing at an above average level, but near untradable due to age.

What do you do then? Cut him and go with the unknown or ride him out?

I don't see how that's a problem at all. If they ride with Cutler because he's playing well, but still have a "backup of the future," there is an option to go to if Jay starts to falter.

 

[bearmick]

Tannehill had better numbers, but he had the crap managed out of him last year. he's a half-field quarterback that you can't trust to make his own decisions.

To be fair, that applies to both QBs.

 

[ijustposthere]

This is the kinda talk that makes me nervous

Again, why? It's stupid. Do you think Pace and Fox are reading the board like, "Shit, sulleymoon's not confident in this QB class. We better reassess our options?"

 

[Zion]

Again, why? It's stupid. Do you think Pace and Fox are reading the board like, "Shit, sulleymoon's not confident in this QB class. We better reassess our options?"

I don't know how all-in Fox is on a rebuild, if he sees Jay playing well it's possible he sticks with him for longer than we'd like.

this isn't the first time I've seen people diminish this QB class and in the same breath imply that Jay Cutler is better than anyone likely to come out of the draft. Posters on the internet aren't the only ones expressing that sentiment, I hear it from some media guys, beat writers and people in the biz too.

 

[FirstTimer]

LOL, and you're still white knighting for a QB with a career 83 passer rating, despite his age. Don't get upset at me for pointing out your constant hypocrisy.

It's not hypocrisy. Follow the damn context of the conversation.

 

[Zion]

It's not hypocrisy. Follow the damn context of the conversation.

he's terrible at that, I don't know why but he has a lot of trouble following a line of thought

concentrate ijustposthere, you can do it. We believe in you.

 

[sulleymon]

To be fair, that applies to both QBs.

I mean, Cutler you can trust to make plays, too. With Tannehill, you get nothing.

Cutler, on sunday, was going through 3 progressions and improvising. He was getting in trouble with back-foot throws, but not really decision-making.

 

[bearmick]

If he plays at his historical level, quite likely true. Here is the nightmare scenario for some. Bears go 6-10 and draft the heir apparent, but retain Cutler after a 30 TD 12 INT 89 passer rating year, for his last guaranteed money year. He starts the season and leads the Bears to a 10-6 record with a wild card victory and loss in the divisional round. He ends the season 32TD 10INT 93 passer rating. He is now a 34 year old QB with a very reasonable contract (Cap rank #16 QB in 2017) playing at an above average level, but near untradable due to age.

What do you do then? Cut him and go with the unknown or ride him out?

His best TD:INT differential ever is +10 (last year). Before that it was +7. Your hypothetical rests on him not just exceeding, but obliterating his career highs with a +18 and then a +22 this year and next.

I think it stands to reason than any player in the league would be re-evaluated if they were to suddenly change career paths from a decade of mediocrity to suddenly becoming very good. Doesn't mean it's remotely likely.

 

[ijustposthere]

he's terrible at that, I don't know why but he has a lot of trouble following a line of thought

concentrate ijustposthere, you can do it. We believe in you.

LOL, right. You're basing your fears of the Bears not replacing Cutler on B&B callers and message board posters opinions.

 

[iueyedoc]

Start cashing in those chips, start making picks high in the 1st round with the intention of finding him. The better this team gets this year, the further away we're likely to get from finding our next franchise QB. So yeah, I'm rooting for competence and confidence to build on, but I'm not necessarily rooting for wins right now.

That would seem at first blush that it would be true, but it just isn't. Of the top 10 active QB's in passer rating, 5 weren't even 1st rounders, and only 3 were top ten picks (Manning, Ryan, Rivers). And the idea is to get better than Cutler, who is currently 14th.

I am not against drafting a 1st round QB, I would be very excited if they did, because I assume it is a guy that they think is better than JC, but I don't want them to suck or lose for that chance.

Andrew Luck would be the only guy I can remember in the last 25-30 years where I thought the team(Indy) got lucky to have such a horrid year. Hell even Manning, as good as he was and is, had a much earned big choker label coming out of college, one he really never disproved.

 

[ijustposthere]

It's not hypocrisy. Follow the damn context of the conversation.

It clearly was, but you just get your panties in a bunch when people do the same shit you do to one of your posts.

 

[Zion]

LOL, right. You're basing your fears of the Bears not replacing Cutler on B&B callers and message board posters opinions.

and you're basing your opinions on what will happen based on unsubstantiated off season trade rumors

jesus christ man

 

[Willis1524]

His best TD:INT differential ever is +10 (last year). Before that it was +7. Your hypothetical rests on him not just exceeding, but obliterating his career highs with a +18 and then a +22 this year and next.

I think it stands to reason than any player in the league would be re-evaluated if they were to suddenly change career paths from a decade of mediocrity to suddenly becoming very good. Doesn't mean it's remotely likely.

Exactly this. If Cutler put up those numbers why would you be worried about keeping him? That is dumb reasoning. If Cutler puts up mid 90s passer rating under Gase then great for the Bears. Still draft a QB if there is one you like. If Cutler plays the same as he has his tenure with the Bears and Fox keeps him then be worried.

 

[FirstTimer]

It clearly wasn't

FYP.

Thanks.

 

[iueyedoc]

I don't see how that's a problem at all. If they ride with Cutler because he's playing well, but still have a "backup of the future," there is an option to go to if Jay starts to falter.

I don't either but there are those that would.

 

[PrideisBears]

and you're basing your opinions on what will happen based on unsubstantiated off season trade rumors

jesus christ man

No he isn't. All he said is that it was obvious Pace doesn't view Cutler as a long term option, you are the one scared Cutler night play well and the bears might keep him (which isn't even a bad thing)

 

[FirstTimer]

That would seem at first blush that it would be true, but it just isn't.

It actually is.

Look at the top 50 players by passer rating ever. Nearly half of them were 1st rounders. Look at career leaders in major stats. Dominated by first rounders.

Look at what round QB's were taken in that led their teams to SB's etc. (There was a great chart posted). Early drafted QB's and first rounders dominate that.



Drafting QB's early historically works out. It's what the modern NFL is built around.

 

[ijustposthere]

and you're basing your opinions on what will happen based on unsubstantiated off season trade rumors

jesus christ man

Right, widely circulated rumors that Cutler was available from people with NFL cred, vs. afraid Cutler will remain because idiot callers on B&B and a few message board posters insight on the QB draft class. Which one sounds more stupid to believe?

 

[bearmick]

I don't either but there are those that would.

LOL no there aren't. Nobody hated him from day one and wanted him to fail. We all had high hopes to start with. The reason the Bears fans who want rid of Cutler want rid of Cutler is because he's failed to be even close to what we hoped he could be when we traded for him (a legit franchise QB). If you think that these people would be upset if he were to suddenly succeed in being that then your logic is profoundly fucked.

 

[ijustposthere]

I get childish when people point out my clear hypocrisy.

Finally, we agree.