Teams that have a worse QB Situation

[iueyedoc]

Exactly this. If Cutler put up those numbers why would you be worried about keeping him? That is dumb reasoning. If Cutler puts up mid 90s passer rating under Gase then great for the Bears. Still draft a QB if there is one you like. If Cutler plays the same as he has his tenure with the Bears and Fox keeps him then be worried.

I'm not saying it is likely, and some, maybe even most his detractors would welcome it, but you are fooling yourself if you don't think there are those that would never accept Cutler. Not that it matters, but short of a couple SB rings Cutler will always be a bum to some.

 

[FirstTimer]

*Staubach would have been a first rounder or #1 overall pick had it not been for his Navy service being an issue.

 

[Scoot26]

*Staubach would have been a first rounder or #1 overall pick had it not been for his Navy service being an issue.

Gonna guess thats a few years old given its missing Manning's other SB, Flacco's, Wilson's SB, and Brady's 4th SB.

 

[Zion]

Right, widely circulated rumors that Cutler was available from people with NFL cred, vs. afraid Cutler will remain because idiot callers on B&B and a few message board posters insight on the QB draft class. Which one sounds more stupid to believe?

You can stop bashing B&B now, the people on that show aren't any more stupid than most of the people on this forum

They figured out Emery/Trest were a joke way before people here did after all. Let's not act like you're smarter than them

 

[PrideisBears]

LOL no there aren't. Nobody hated him from day one and wanted him to fail. We all had high hopes to start with. The reason the Bears fans who want rid of Cutler want rid of Cutler is because he's failed to be even close to what we hoped he could be when we traded for him (a legit franchise QB). If you think that these people would be upset if he were to suddenly succeed in being that then your logic is profoundly fucked.

Or you should read the board. Ikky up there wanted Cutler to play well so he can increase his trade value but now a few B&B callers have him spooked that if he does play well they will keep hik

 

[FirstTimer]

Also, since this chart was made:
Eli won another one.
Flacco won one.
Wilson got one.
Brady got another.

So half of the expanded data involved 1st round winners.

 

[FirstTimer]

Gonna guess thats a few years old given its missing Manning's other SB, Flacco's, Wilson's SB, and Brady's 4th SB.

Yep, just posted about that. It was current through SB 45

 

[ijustposthere]

You can stop bashing B&B now, the people on that show aren't any more stupid than most of the people on this forum

They figured out Emery/Trest were a joke way before people here did after all. Let's not act like you're smarter than them

Holy shit, I haven't been trashing B&B. I'm trashing the moronic callers they allow on their show that have you spooked.

 

[Zion]

Or you should read the board. Ikky up there wanted Cutler to play well so he can increase his trade value but now a few B&B callers have him spooked that if he does play well they will keep hik

You're acting like that isn't a very real possibility. If Cutler plays well, they might keep him. I can easily see that happening. Cutler could finish with 15 Tds 6 INT and Fox could stand at the podium at the end of the year and say "We liked what we saw, the offense works well with Jay under center, he's a leader in the locker room and we like how our team is functioning right now. I've spoken to Pace and we've decided to move ahead with Jay as our QB"

nightmare doomsday scenario and nobody would be surprised if that were to happen

Holy shit, I haven't been trashing B&B. I'm trashing the moronic callers they allow on their show that have you spooked.

I've said numerous times now that I've seen that sentiment expressed in many places and from many different people, not just from B&B callers.

 

[ijustposthere]

You're acting like that isn't a very real possibility. If Cutler plays well, they might keep him. I can easily see that happening. Cutler could finish with 15 Tds 6 INT and Fox could stand at the podium at the end of the year and say "We liked what we saw, the offense works well with Jay under center, he's a leader in the locker room and we like how our team is functioning right now. I've spoken to Pace and we've decided to move ahead with Jay as our QB"

nightmare doomsday scenario and nobody would be surprised if that were to happen

You know what, now I hope it happens.

 

[iueyedoc]

It actually is.

Look at the top 50 players by passer rating ever. Nearly half of them were 1st rounders. Look at career leaders in major stats. Dominated by first rounders.

Look at what round QB's were taken in that led their teams to SB's etc. (There was a great chart posted). Early drafted QB's and first rounders dominate that.



Drafting QB's early historically works out. It's what the modern NFL is built around.

In your zeal to contradict me I guess you missed the whole top 10 pick thing. I, in fact said that first rounders, of course do better, like every position just not a neccesity to be a very early first rounder.

Oh and thanks for the compliment about the chart I posted months ago.

That would seem at first blush that it would be true, but it just isn't. Of the top 10 active QB's in passer rating, 5 weren't even 1st rounders, and only 3 were top ten picks (Manning, Ryan, Rivers). And the idea is to get better than Cutler, who is currently 14th.

I am not against drafting a 1st round QB, I would be very excited if they did, because I assume it is a guy that they think is better than JC, but I don't want them to suck or lose for that chance.

*Staubach would have been a first rounder or #1 overall pick had it not been for his Navy service being an issue.

 

[Trump32]

LOL wut?

Tannehill, despite his rocky start this season, is better than Cutler, and Winston has played 4 NFL games in his life.

Agree.

You could have enough incompetence with just Stafford for three teams. The Lions are in a desperate situation at QB and may tank the season, albeit not on purpose, and leap the Bears to pick a QB. That being said they will probably draft a FB they think is the missing piece. That, or a high TE pick to totally make up for the last bad early TE pick.

 

[DaaBears]

The way the Bears are using Cutler right now, is exactly the way I want an offense run with almost any quarterback (of course not Manning, Rodgers, Brady). Run the ball, use the clock, short passes, occasional shots down the field. The only thing Cutler is doing wrong is the key interceptions, but even that seems a bit better. His pocket presence was the best it ever was on the Bears last week. He was stepping up in the pocket avoiding tacklers at exactly the right moment this past week as well.

People refer back to that 5 game winning streak under Martz as Cutler's best streak with the Bears. In actuality, what happened at that time, was we were horrible the game before that, I think it was against Buffalo, too lazy to look it up, we were totally pass happy and it just wasn't working out. We started that five game streak as a run, run run thing, almost just like the offense right now. After a few games, the defense was just concentrating on stopping the run, and it opened up a nice passing game, again I think against the Chargers, can't say that for sure. Then Cutler got hurt.

I am content with the offense right now, and almost content with the current Cutler and the way the Bears are using him. And I want them to use the next QB the same way as well, unless he is the next QB total superstar.

Not sure why we are even having this discussion right now. We are not going to lose games on purpose here. We are trying to win. The defense is getting better each week, just like I said it would, and by the way I was called out for saying that.

Things are going well, as far as I am concerned.

 

[FirstTimer]

In your zeal to contradict me I guess you missed the whole top 10 pick thing. I, in fact said that first rounders, of course do better, like every position just not a neccesity to be a very early first rounder.

Oh and thanks for the compliment about the chart I posted months ago.

"33% of SB's were won by #1 overall picks."

So I'd say that yeah, having a really high draft pick for one is more helpful than not.

Way to not even follow your own chart's advice.

Of the guys on the above chart:
Namath, Bradshaw, Plunkett, McMahon, Elway, Young, Aikman, Manning, Manning, Griese, Dawson, Dilfer, and Simms were all Top 10 picks.

So 22 of the 49 SB's have been won by Top 10 picks. Big Ben has (2) and was taken 11th overall.

So yes, drafting a QB very highly in the draft is a very good idea given historical precedent if you're looking to win a SB.



IUDOC brags about posting a chart showing something...completely goes against what the chart shows.

Good job.

Good effort.

:clap:

 

[Run the ball]

The way the Bears are using Cutler right now, is exactly the way I want an offense run with almost any quarterback (of course not Manning, Rodgers, Brady). Run the ball, use the clock, short passes, occasional shots down the field. The only thing Cutler is doing wrong is the key interceptions, but even that seems a bit better. His pocket presence was the best it ever was on the Bears last week. He was stepping up in the pocket avoiding tacklers at exactly the right moment this past week as well.

People refer back to that 5 game winning streak under Martz as Cutler's best streak with the Bears. In actuality, what happened at that time, was we were horrible the game before that, I think it was against Buffalo, too lazy to look it up, we were totally pass happy and it just wasn't working out. We started that five game streak as a run, run run thing, almost just like the offense right now. After a few games, the defense was just concentrating on stopping the run, and it opened up a nice passing game, again I think against the Chargers, can't say that for sure. Then Cutler got hurt.

I am content with the offense right now, and almost content with the current Cutler and the way the Bears are using him. And I want them to use the next QB the same way as well, unless he is the next QB total superstar.

Not sure why we are even having this discussion right now. We are not going to lose games on purpose here. We are trying to win. The defense is getting better each week, just like I said it would, and by the way I was called out for saying that.

Things are going well, as far as I am concerned.

I think it was the game before Buffalo as they were coming off a bye week that sunday(I remember cause I went to that game).

 

[Scoot26]

People refer back to that 5 game winning streak under Martz as Cutler's best streak with the Bears. In actuality, what happened at that time, was we were horrible the game before that, I think it was against Buffalo, too lazy to look it up, we were totally pass happy and it just wasn't working out. We started that five game streak as a run, run run thing, almost just like the offense right now. After a few games, the defense was just concentrating on stopping the run, and it opened up a nice passing game, again I think against the Chargers, can't say that for sure. Then Cutler got hurt.
.

The Bears had 2 five game winning streaks under Martz with Cutler.

In 2010, they lost 14-17 to the Redskins while Cutler threw 4 INTs. In the next game, against Buffalo, they ran the ball a lot more and that stayed true during the 5 game winning streak.

In 2011, they started 2-3, while the defense was more to blame for their loss against the Lions than the offense, but the Bears lost 24-13 and there hadn't been too much commitment to the run game outside of the Carolina game in the first 5 games. In the next game they smoked Minnesota 39-10 and started a 5 game winning streak which ended with Cutler's thumb in the Chargers game.

 

[iueyedoc]

"33% of SB's were won by #1 overall picks."

So I'd say that yeah, having a really high draft pick for one is more helpful than not.

Way to not even follow your own chart's advice.

Of the guys on the above chart:
Namath, Bradshaw, Plunkett, McMahon, Elway, Young, Aikman, Manning, Manning, Griese, Dawson, Dilfer, and Simms were all Top 10 picks.

So 22 of the 49 SB's have been won by Top 10 picks. Big Ben has (2) and was taken 11th overall.

So yes, drafting a QB very highly in the draft is a very good idea given historical precedent if you're looking to win a SB.

To really have meaning it would be interesting to see what % of #1's overall QB's vs what % of top 10 pick QB's vs what % of 1st round others have won a SB. That would give a more true reflection of success potential by draft position.

 

[DaaBears]

The Bears had 2 five game winning streaks under Martz with Cutler.

In 2010, they lost 14-17 to the Redskins while Cutler threw 4 INTs. In the next game, against Buffalo, they ran the ball a lot more and that stayed true during the 5 game winning streak.

In 2011, they started 2-3, while the defense was more to blame for their loss against the Lions than the offense, but the Bears lost 24-13 and there hadn't been too much commitment to the run game outside of the Carolina game in the first 5 games. In the next game they smoked Minnesota 39-10 and started a 5 game winning streak which ended with Cutler's thumb in the Chargers game.

And I think that I am somehow combining those two 5 game win streaks into one, lol. Nonetheless, I think Cutler looks good in run first offense, and believe it or not I am one of the biggest critics. I just do not like that ball winging all over the field.

 

[FirstTimer]

To really have meaning it would be interesting to see what % of #1's overall QB's vs what % of top 10 pick QB's vs what % of 1st round others have won a SB. That would give a more true reflection of success potential by draft position.

Can you do basic math?

#1 pick: 16/49 (32.6%)

Top 5 pick: 20/49 (40.8%)

Top 10 Pick: 22/49 (44.8%)

1st Rounder: 27/49 (55.1%)

 

[iueyedoc]

"33% of SB's were won by #1 overall picks."

So I'd say that yeah, having a really high draft pick for one is more helpful than not.

Way to not even follow your own chart's advice.

Of the guys on the above chart:
Namath, Bradshaw, Plunkett, McMahon, Elway, Young, Aikman, Manning, Manning, Griese, Dawson, Dilfer, and Simms were all Top 10 picks.

So 22 of the 49 SB's have been won by Top 10 picks. Big Ben has (2) and was taken 11th overall.

So yes, drafting a QB very highly in the draft is a very good idea given historical precedent if you're looking to win a SB.



IUDOC brags about posting a chart showing something...completely goes against what the chart shows.

Good job.

Good effort.

:clap:

You do understand that those QB's picked #1 overall won a SB because they were good enough to warrant the #1 overall pick right? If the Bears end up with the #1 pick drafting a mid first rnd talent QB, first overall does not impart any added chance at success.