Teravainen could be joining the Hawks.

[the canadian dream]

What do circumstances have anything to do with this? You asked if i wanted to see a kid get his first taste of the nhl via playoff games. I answered it and gave you a pretty solid piece of evidence that it doesn't hurt a guy when they are actually ready for NHL ice. Teravainen is ready. Stu gave good examples also. "circumstances" don't matter one bit. This is a question of whether or not a players skill level and mental toughness can come into this league during the playoffs and make an impact. The answer with Teravainen is yes I believe he can. </p>


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Tyler Toffoli is sort of another good example from last year. I think he played 8-10 games for the Kings in the regular season (most early in the season). Don't think those 8-10 games were much of a  "learning experience" for him esp when he kept being called up and down from the farm. He came into the playoffs and scored 6 points in 12 games before the Hawks knocked the Kings out. Toffoli actually had a really strong playoffs and was one of the better Kings against the Hawks. Now hes a mainstay on the Kings and rightfully so.</p>


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its all fodder anyways. won't know either way unless he actually does play with the team. We can all predict but no one knows for sure. Im simply basing my opinion on what i have seen from Teravainen as a hockey player. He's got that something special that other young players don't. Maybe it doesn't translate to the NHL level? Maybe it does more than any of us would ever imagine. Based on skill and attitude alone there is no reason he doesn't deserve the chance. That's all I care about. Morin deserves a chance too but he just simply isn't as skilled as Teravainen is with the overall game. That's just how it goes sometimes.</p>

 

[Ton]

Doesn't hurt to give the kid a 9 game tryout. If he proves that he can make an impact, then you have to keep him in the playoffs if the goal is to win a Cup. Who cares about his contract, the time to win is now, we don't know what will happen 3 years from now. Look at Vancouver.</p>

 

[Variable]

Of course the circumstances matter. No matter how "ready" that player might be if you don't think there's a big difference in a rookie coming in at the start of a NHL team's season, playing with them through training camp, through the preseason, playing with them the entire year going into the playoffs or at the very least playing at the AHL level versus coming in at the end of a season and getting your first real test of going up against NHL competition on North American ice in the NHL playoffs....... I don't know what to tell you. </p>


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And even with Toffoli it's, again, different circumstances. He played almost the full season in the AHL before re-joining the club in the playoffs. I'm not saying don't have him play at all or that his skills won't translate, I think they will. It just won't make or break the Hawks in the playoffs. And comparing this to Vancouver, come on, they have one of the worst GMs in the game going on years now.</p>

 

[Ton]

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Of course the circumstances matter. No matter how "ready" that player might be if you don't think there's a big difference in a rookie coming in at the start of a NHL team's season, playing with them through training camp, through the preseason, playing with them the entire year going into the playoffs or at the very least playing at the AHL level versus coming in at the end of a season and getting your first real test of going up against NHL competition on North American ice in the NHL playoffs....... I don't know what to tell you. </p>


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And even with Toffoli it's, again, different circumstances. He played almost the full season in the AHL before re-joining the club in the playoffs. I'm not saying don't have him play at all. Vancouver has one of the worst GMs in the game going on years now.</p>
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No players go through the same exact circumstances. Again, the 9 games (or whatever the number is) should be enough to decide whether or not he sticks. I think Teravainen is a special player, but he has to prove it. I don't think anyone is saying they should just hand him a spot.</p>

 

[Variable]

Right,  that's what I'm saying, no players go through the exact same circumstances, so comparing them is pointless. How do you compare MacKinnon to Teravainen when MacKinnon has been playing the entire season?</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

Whats with this boner with the AHL anyways? You guys do know it's not a very good league when it comes to overall talent right? It's a fun league for fans and spectators but it really isn't high level top notch north american hockey. The junior leagues are more competitive and most euro leagues are becoming better leagues than the AHL also. The AHL is good at getting guys into shape and getting young kids adjusting to travel and grueling schedules. It's also become a league for evaluating character and personality more so than on ice skill. </p>


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Also that adopting to ice size shit is becoming a cliche also. Pros are pros they adapt pretty easy to ice size changes pretty fast. Doesn't effect a forward that much. Defense is a different story. this isn't the 80's or 70's or 60's anymore. Players in europe aren't only groomed to play on the bigger ice surface. The stylse they are taught now are north american styles built for north american ice. It just happens that the north american style can also be played on bigger ice surface!! Who would have fucking thunk?</p>

 

[phranchk]

It will ultimately come down to if Q thinks his game is good enough to help the team to another Cup.

 

[puckjim]

He's better than Handzus. That's good enough for me.

 

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He's better than Handzus. That's good enough for me.</p>
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A jock strap is better on the ice than Handzus..... Unfortunately for the jock strap, it can't win faceoffs, and that's all Handzus is good at. </p>


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If Teuvo can do that and outrun the rest of his line, then he's got a spot. It really won't take much to beat Handzus... lol</p>

 

[bookjones]

Oh man, this thread. </p>

 

[bookjones]

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Didn't Saad play his first game in the playoffs?</p>


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Good thing the Avs didn't rush MacKinnon or the Pens rush Maatta.</p>


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More importantly thank God the Preds didn't rush Jones.</p>
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Are you serious here or just playing willfully obtuse for shits n' giggles?</p>


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You know damn well Saad only played 2 gms those playoffs---the Hawks didn't come anywhere in the fucking vicinity of invalidating his slide yr exception and burning the first year off his ELC in 2012 . You also know damn well the other prospects-turned-NHLers you mentioned have played ALL season in service of their NHL teams thus justifying burning the 1st year off their ELCs as a quid quo pro. </p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

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Are you serious here or just playing willfully obtuse for shits n' giggles?</p>


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You know damn well Saad only played 2 gms those playoffs---the Hawks didn't come anywhere in the fucking vicinity of invalidating his slide yr exception and burning the first year off his ELC in 2012 . You also know damn well the other prospects-turned-NHLers you mentioned have played ALL season in service of their NHL teams thus justifying burning the 1st year off their ELCs as a quid quo pro. </p>
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Don't make me send Mooney to your home to confiscate your slather of shoes!!!</p>


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If TT can help the Hawks win another Cup THIS YEAR, is it worth sacrificing all the financial and contractual crap?</p>


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Answer, YES.  That is.... if you have a "win now" mentality, which we all should have.</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

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Oh man, this thread. </p>
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QUIET YOU!!!!! YOU SHOULD BE SUPPORTING ME ON THIS CRAP!! I am pumping your boys tires here damn it.</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

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Don't make me send Mooney to your home to confiscate your slather of shoes!!!</p>


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If TT can help the Hawks win another Cup THIS YEAR, is it worth sacrificing all the financial and contractual crap?</p>


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Answer, YES.  That is.... if you have a "win now" mentality, which we all should have.</p>
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The team captain will have something to say to Stan and the dicks if they dont have the win now attitude also.</p>


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here is something the org likes...winning cups because those gates during the playoffs and all the publicity and fucking money that comes with a cup win trumps any damn money lost with letting Teravainen play out the season. Freaking bone heads dont think about that business side all they see is what cap geek fucking dot com is telling them to see</p>


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#fuuuuuuuuuuckingshitddddddduuuuuuuuuude</p>

 

[bookjones]

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Boy I sure don't,  not if it invalidates the slide year the Hawks have on his contract. Think there's only a certain number of games he can play with the Hawks/Hogs before it does. </p>
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It's only NHL games (regular season and playoffs) in the first year of a slide contract that matter not AHL games FYI. With the latest CBA it's as long as a player doesn't get to 10 NHL games. </p>

 

[bookjones]

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Don't make me send Mooney to your home to confiscate your slather of shoes!!!</p>


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If TT can help the Hawks win another Cup THIS YEAR, is it worth sacrificing all the financial and contractual crap?</p>


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Answer, YES.  That is.... if you have a "win now" mentality, which we all should have.</p>
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I actually didn't say shit about whether or not it's an acceptable risk but don't just be throwing out random shit to support your stance when it in fact doesn't have anything to do with the Hawks Teravainen situation at hand. You want to convince someone its worth it then find post-2005 lockout cases where prospects were brought in at the very tail end of a season or in the playoffs to contribute to a team's lengthy SC run/win don't be bringing up fucking NHL rookies who have played and had good campaigns all regular season. </p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

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I actually didn't say shit about whether or not it's an acceptable risk but don't just be throwing out random shit to support your stance when it in fact doesn't have anything to do with the Hawks Teravainen situation at hand. You want to convince someone its worth it then find post-2005 lockout cases where prospects were brought in at the very tail end of a season or in the playoffs to contribute to a team's lengthy SC run/win don't be bringing up fucking NHL rookies who have played and had good campaigns all regular season. </p>
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You're way too smart for me and I think my brain exploded.</p>


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I am not trying to be a smartass at all... I do not understand all the contract implications.</p>

 

[bookjones]

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QUIET YOU!!!!! YOU SHOULD BE SUPPORTING ME ON THIS CRAP!! I am pumping your boys tires here damn it.</p>
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By comparing his game to Captain Everything? Shame on you hockey-loving Canadian. Sorry I don't see that. Yes, they're both very talented at hockey and have very high upside and were 1st Rders and Centres so that's pretty much a lot of NHLers. When I have tried to explain Teravainen to people who don't know anything about him or haven't seen him play the easiest comparable to get people mentally on the same wavelength is to say, "he's like Kaner"  and that suffices because Hawks fans can visualize Kaner's talents from experience. And he his very much like Kaner BUT as I have said on here before in actuality his style and skills and the way he often looks out on the ice remind me of The Nuge. I was actually relieved that wasn't in my head when after a Prospects Camp scrimmage McNeill was interviewed and asked about him and said it was like playing against Nugent-Hopkins out there. But hey it's really nothing to quibble about and he does have many comparables to Kane so whatever.</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

WRONG!!</p>


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unlike Kane Teravainen has a two way game thats more comparable to Toews damn it!!! Not that Kane is horrible on the back end of the game but we all know that's not his bread and butter. Offensively Teravainen may be more like Kane up front but his all around game is more like that of Toews for **** sakes!!! DEFENSE IS WHAT WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!! When you yanks gunna start waking up to that and stop playing mother Russia lovin hockey from the 80's? </p>


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BRING IT ON!!! </p>


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i did like the Nuge comparison though. But again Teravainen has more defensive responsibility than the Nuge also. Ewwww Nuge sucks.</p>

 

[bookjones]

So Kevin Hayes has had a PHENOMENAL Senior year at Boston College playing mostly 2L though for a stretch in the final 3rd of the season he had been moved up to the 1L. Was 2nd in NCAA scoring for most of the season before before ultimately winding up 3rd in March. Played at a 1.5 PPG pace for the season up from the JUST a hair under 1.0 PPG of his Jr. year before the leg injury and multiple surgeries. And this on one of the top 2 Div-I programs. His NCAA post-season starts soon so with his bona fides as well as his 6'4" big body that is so often claimed is needed on a line with Kane as well as his nice hands and passing are any of you okay with the Hawks getting him signed STAT as is expected as soon as his BC post-season is over and giving him a shot at 2C and burning the first year off his contract for the playoffs run? Curious.</p>