Terrorist Attack in Norway

[bubbleheadchief]

Let me just say that you have misinterpreted what I said. My brother was a recruitor in the army for about 10 years. Enlisted men are not well paid. I was speaking of what Pete has said he currently does and has mentioned a 6 figure income. I don't consider making 6 figures living high on the hog but it is comfortable.



I will add that I have the utmost respect and graditude to all men and women who have served in the armed forces. I have many uncles who served in WW2 including my dad who lied about his age and joined the navy when he was 17 and fought in the South Pacific.

I stand corrected. When I read something that says "serve your country" I assume it to mean, active duty military.

6 figures may not be high on the hog, but depending on how you spend it and where you live, it can be way better then just eeking out a living.

 

[bubbleheadchief]

For me it was a required part of my PCS orders for the Duty Station I was sent to, and a particular area of the base we occassionally had to go too.

I wasn't talking about the military wino, although it again is based on your duties. I was talking about for contractors, it has to be part of their job for them to get the clearance.



I was in communications, I had to have a TS clearance from the time I came in, if for whatever reason I had never gotten through the initial backround investigation, i would never have did what I did.

 

[roshinaya]

What's with all the militarychat in a thread about a horrible masskilling by a nutter?

 

[mikita's helmet]

The initial thought is that it is cheaper to have a contractor do the job.

How 'bout the fact that the private contractors are not US soldiers and can do things that would get a US military man into hot water. Do the rules of the Geneva Convention even apply to these guys (and gals)?

 

[mikita's helmet]

What's with all the militarychat in a thread about a horrible masskilling by a nutter?

Just seeing if you're paying attention.

 

[BigPete]

What's with all the militarychat in a thread about a horrible masskilling by a nutter?

That's just the direction that the conversation took. Is there more to say about a nutjob who murdered over 90 people that we haven't already said? We know his supposed reasons. They have a picture of him doing it. So?

 

[winos5]

That's just the direction that the conversation took. Is there more to say about a nutjob who murdered over 90 people that we haven't already said? We know his supposed reasons. They have a picture of him doing it. So?

How about this? Assumming he's found guilty and gets the max sentance, he'll serve @ 82 days for each act of murder under the max penalty in Norway for a total of 21 years. Remind me to move to Norway if I ever decide to become murderous.

 

[klemmer]

Yet this is the first time you have stated so. I also had TS yet don't wear it on my shoulder to say why my opinion is any better then anyone else's because of it.







Basically there are two types of people in this world. The first walks into a room and says,"Here I am".The second walks in and says , "There YOU are". The braggers are in the first group.

That's because we don't usually talk much about my time in the military, just saying I had one.



It's like me being investigated by the Secret Service, or anything else I've done in the past.



Just part of my history, for what it's worth.

 

[BigPete]

How about this? Assumming he's found guilty and gets the max sentance, he'll serve @ 82 days for each act of murder under the max penalty in Norway for a total of 21 years. Remind me to move to Norway if I ever decide to become murderous.

You can only get 21 years for murder in Norway? Wow. Just...wow.



IMO this guy is a prime candidate for torture to exact revenge. Each family member of someone that was murdered should get to rip a piece of flesh from this guy until nothing remains.



I have some pretty hard line feelings in favor of using capital punishment.

 

[bri]

How about this? Assumming he's found guilty and gets the max sentance, he'll serve @ 82 days for each act of murder under the max penalty in Norway for a total of 21 years. Remind me to move to Norway if I ever decide to become murderous.

So if he only killed one person he'd only get 82 days?

 

[BigPete]

So if he only killed one person he'd only get 82 days?

I think that was the math talking? He can only get a max of 21 years so if you divide that by 93 you get ~82 days per victim.

 

[TSD]

So if he only killed one person he'd only get 82 days?

Thats just how it worked out. The maximum sentence period anyone can recieve in norway is 21 years. So if you divide that by how many people he killed its 82 days per person.



So basically Norway draws no difference from killing 1 person to killing 100.

 

[JOVE23]

They're revising the death toll down to 68 on the island.

 

[roshinaya]

and 8 dead in the bombings.



Yes, the max he can get is 21 years, but he can be detained for the rest of his life. He'll stay locked up for some time.

 

[winos5]

Using the adjusted death toll it's about 101 days per murder. Given the lenient penalty for murder in Norway how do they go about keeping him locked away for life?

 

[IceHogsFan]

If you ever wondered if the media in today's world tries to promote division and partisanship in everything they report you only need to hear all the references of "right wing terrorist". All weekend long I heard media outlets describing this lunatic by those words. WTF is a USA news outlet reporting on a Norwegian citizen who killed numerous individuals in Norway as a "right wing terrorist"?



And some wonder why we are so divided.......... subliminally this garbage is planted every day.

 

[bri]

Thats just how it worked out. The maximum sentence period anyone can recieve in norway is 21 years. So if you divide that by how many people he killed its 82 days per person.



So basically Norway draws no difference from killing 1 person to killing 100.

Shouldn't he be able to get 21 years for each count of murder?

 

[winos5]

Shouldn't he be able to get 21 years for each count of murder?

Not according to the numerous news articles I read. 21 years is the max sentance in Norway, regardless of the number of victims. Perhaps they can bring him up on other charges and add additional prison time.

 

[ytsejam]

If you ever wondered if the media in today's world tries to promote division and partisanship in everything they report you only need to hear all the references of "right wing terrorist". All weekend long I heard media outlets describing this lunatic by those words. WTF is a USA news outlet reporting on a Norwegian citizen who killed numerous individuals in Norway as a "right wing terrorist"?



And some wonder why we are so divided.......... subliminally this garbage is planted every day.

Uh, maybe because he IS a right wing terrorist?

Christian fundamentalist, anti Muslim, anti multiculturalism, anti immigration, targeted leftists he saw to blame for everything "wrong" with Europe.

Sounds pretty right wing to me.



Let me guess....he's not a "real Christian" or "real right winger", yet when a Muslim commits such an act it is evidence that Islam is evil.

 

[TSD]

If you ever wondered if the media in today's world tries to promote division and partisanship in everything they report you only need to hear all the references of "right wing terrorist". All weekend long I heard media outlets describing this lunatic by those words. WTF is a USA news outlet reporting on a Norwegian citizen who killed numerous individuals in Norway as a "right wing terrorist"?



And some wonder why we are so divided.......... subliminally this garbage is planted every day.

A. because he is.



B. They are using it for the same reason if some pinko leftist blew shit up you would see the right brand them as such.





The left is simply using it to defame right wing politics and policy. You are insane if you dont think right leaning media outlets such as fox, would do the same in a reversed situation.



By your own logic, why do we always make a point to mention "islamic" in islamic terrorism, why not just call a terrorist a terrorist?



They are attempting, but obviously will not succeed, as right leaning citizens are not a small minority population, to generate fervor against the right.



Look what "muslim" terrorism has done to muslims in this country. where they are a vast minority? People sabotaging construction of mosques, protesting construction of mosques etc etc.



They simply hope to generate the same sort of fervor toward the right, by singling this guy out as "This is what the right is, a bunch of hardline crazies that will kill people to get their point across".