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Even if you look at 90 points for the eight seed, they need to win, basically, two out of every three games for the rest of the year. That's a tall order.
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Well they are giving points away. They've been doing it all year. If they miss the playoffs they have only themselves to blame. At this point, losing half the SC roster, having half of what was left on the IR at some point, I just can't get that pissed off.
We won the Cup. That will last for awhile.
I'd also be MONEY that NO TEAM repeats as Cup Champs in the Salary Cap Era. The Parity the Salary Cap has created is like nothing this league has ever seen before.
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Who is talking about repeat? **** man, I'm just talking about them being in the mix... How could you not be disappointed in this team if they go from Stanley Cup champs, to not even making the playoffs? I guess the silver lining in that is, maybe the ticket brokers will start to disappear and real fans can actually go to the games if that happens. But what a colossal failure that would be for this organization. How many times has that even happened in the last 10 years? Hell, go back 20 years... Defending Stanley Cup champs not even making the playoffs? I can't even think of one team that did that since I started watching hockey...
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Maybe, maybe not. If it's going to be a tall order for the hawks it's going to be a tall order for the four teams 2pts ahead of them too I guess.
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Dude they lost 11 players. They have had 4 of the remaining 10 hurt or injured. The season is just half over I'm not worried if they miss the playoffs but if they do my HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of dollars spent on this team all culminate to that great giant BANNER I see every time my fat ass sits down in my seats.
Disappointed, sure. Mostly about the coaching. Upset, not fucking chance we won the STANLEY CUP after 49 years. Had they NOT won the Cup I'd be devastated.
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Have to look at games played though. We're still sitting here with only ONE team that has played as many games as we have. Anaheim, and they've actually played one more. The rest of the West is 1-4 games behind us, schedule wise.
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Really? After all the Salary Cap losses and injuries? I don't see it like that. I see this year as a rebuilding year. Which is exactly what I thought going in. Could they be better, sure. But at some point you have to realize exactly what this team lost. Where did the Penguins finish last year? Weren't there times they were out of the playoffs during the season run, sure. Did they lose in the first round, sure.
Making the playoffs is one thing. Making the playoffs and getting your ass kicked in the first round, that's just as much of a disappointment as not making them IMO.
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Okay, so out of curiosity I decided to do a little number crunching with the standings, just to see where the Hawks stand after games at hand are factored out.
I took a look at the Last 10 games record for each team and turned it into a percentage. I then I applied that percentage to the point available up to 43 games played (number played by Anaheim, highest in the West) in an effort to get some sort of a realistic view of how the points at hand might be allocated. This is what I got:
Team (Games at Hand) - Points (Percentage) [Points Gained]
1. Vancouver (4) - 65 (95%) [8]
2. Detroit (3) - 59 (70%) [4]
3. Dallas (2) - 55 (65%) [3]
4. San Jose (3) - 51 (60%) [4]
5. St. Louis (5) - 51 (60%) [6]
6. Colorado (3) - 50 (55%) [3]
7. Nashville (4) - 50 (50%) [4]
8. Los Angeles (4) - 49 (50%) [4]
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9. Phoenix (4) - 48 (50%) [4]
10. Minnesota (4) - 48 (65%) [5]
11. Anaheim (0) - 46 (50%) [0]
12. Chicago (1) - 46 (50%) [1]
13. Columbus (3) - 45 (40%) [2]
14. Calgary (2) - 41 (50%) [2]
15. Edmonton (5) - 33 (20%) [2]
Wow! A whole 3 points out of the playoffs!? THE HUMANITY! With the tone around here, you'd think the Hawks would be a million miles out of the race. The Hawks are performing just about on par with the rest of the pack right now. Look at how many teams are getting between 50 and 60 percent of their points, the Hawks aren't falling behind, they're keeping pace. If this team stops underachieving and plays up to it's potential, they'd put together a hot streak and, what do you know, the Hawks would find themselves rising up the standings since they'd be beating the teams directly in front and in back of them.
The plane has not crashed into the mountain, everything is not fucked. There is still plenty of time to turn this around, stop letting last year's success cloud your perception. The Hawks will make the playoffs, take it to the bank.
I took a look at the Last 10 games record for each team and turned it into a percentage. I then I applied that percentage to the point available up to 43 games played (number played by Anaheim, highest in the West) in an effort to get some sort of a realistic view of how the points at hand might be allocated. This is what I got:
Team (Games at Hand) - Points (Percentage) [Points Gained]
1. Vancouver (4) - 65 (95%) [8]
2. Detroit (3) - 59 (70%) [4]
3. Dallas (2) - 55 (65%) [3]
4. San Jose (3) - 51 (60%) [4]
5. St. Louis (5) - 51 (60%) [6]
6. Colorado (3) - 50 (55%) [3]
7. Nashville (4) - 50 (50%) [4]
8. Los Angeles (4) - 49 (50%) [4]
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9. Phoenix (4) - 48 (50%) [4]
10. Minnesota (4) - 48 (65%) [5]
11. Anaheim (0) - 46 (50%) [0]
12. Chicago (1) - 46 (50%) [1]
13. Columbus (3) - 45 (40%) [2]
14. Calgary (2) - 41 (50%) [2]
15. Edmonton (5) - 33 (20%) [2]
Wow! A whole 3 points out of the playoffs!? THE HUMANITY! With the tone around here, you'd think the Hawks would be a million miles out of the race. The Hawks are performing just about on par with the rest of the pack right now. Look at how many teams are getting between 50 and 60 percent of their points, the Hawks aren't falling behind, they're keeping pace. If this team stops underachieving and plays up to it's potential, they'd put together a hot streak and, what do you know, the Hawks would find themselves rising up the standings since they'd be beating the teams directly in front and in back of them.
The plane has not crashed into the mountain, everything is not fucked. There is still plenty of time to turn this around, stop letting last year's success cloud your perception. The Hawks will make the playoffs, take it to the bank.
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At the four minute mark of the 1st period, coach match up was caught with Johnson/Scott/Stalberg against Richards/Erickson/Neal. Almost resulted in a goal to make it 3-0. That was a puzzling match up.
On the PK, the Hawks are just too loose on point men coverage. That did not just start happening this year but is now becoming more obvious. Dropping down the box is one thing, but Niskanen could have had a cup of coffee, read the newspaper, taken a shit, wiped his ass, then flushed, and would still have had time to take that shot that led to the 1st Stars PP goal.
The second unit of the Dallas PP never saw the ice. Didn't have to. In 6 minutes of PP time, the Stars needed 3:09 to score 3 goals. FUBAR.
On the PK, the Hawks are just too loose on point men coverage. That did not just start happening this year but is now becoming more obvious. Dropping down the box is one thing, but Niskanen could have had a cup of coffee, read the newspaper, taken a shit, wiped his ass, then flushed, and would still have had time to take that shot that led to the 1st Stars PP goal.
The second unit of the Dallas PP never saw the ice. Didn't have to. In 6 minutes of PP time, the Stars needed 3:09 to score 3 goals. FUBAR.
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21 for 31 (.677) on the PK in the last ten games. Basically, if the Hawks take at least three penalties, they're starting the game down 1-0.
Another tiresome display among many this season...
Another tiresome display among many this season...
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To some the canabalism has already started.
BTW, great analysis, and something I have tried to express elsewhere in that the west is still pretty tight with only DET, VAN, and DAL far ahead of the rest of that group. As of this post the 'Hawks are a massive 3 pts from the 4th spot in the west. Don't infer too much into my next statement, but didn't Philly (who in 08/09 had 99 pts), just make it into the play offs by the skin of their teeth last season? Anything can happen, and this season is far from over. Frustrating, sure, but far from over.
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Yea completely agree. I just think that they do not have some of the newer guys are as adept at the positioning and bailing out or assisting a team mate when there is a slight breakdown. They seem to be trying as if still learning, but I agree that this has been an issue with the team for the last several seasons.
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Steve Konroyd predicted last night that he thought it would take around 92 pts to make the playoffs. Was'nt Johnson brought in to help out with the PK ? I hav'nt noticed him out there much, so far he has looked to bring good energy. The Dowell scratch makes me wonder is he on the trading block now instead of Skille.
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See, I don't buy that. If it's a rebuilding year, then rebuild. Play your young guys in spite of their mistakes. Don't bench Skille or Dowell for making screw ups that all kids make.
Don't give us garbage like Cullimore, Boynton, Pisani, Scott, Johnson, et al.
I'd rather they finish in last but perhaps develop a player or two than finish in 13th with a scotch-taped together collection of the Wild and Oilers castoffs.
But really, I want the playoffs.....Nothing else matters, especially after what happened with Philly last year.
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Well if he's right, that's only .600 hockey the rest of the way, which is absolutely doable.
Improving the penalty killing will help that BIG TIME.
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That sucked. Gave away another game.
Thing that really bothered me was they had momentum by half way through the second and failed to put it away. Close to throwing shit at my TV at the end of the game.
Other things that bothered me;
- failure tokeep it simple ie... get it deep and on net instead of trying to make the cute pass, skate/puck handle through 4 defenders.
- Q pulling the Goalie when he did.
- benching both Skille and Dowell.
- stupid turnovers.
- Sucks to be Stahlberg.
- Ott drawing a penalty with an obvious dive.
- Ott high sticking Hendry but Benn taking his place in the box (allowing Ott to pot an empty net goal).
Thing that really bothered me was they had momentum by half way through the second and failed to put it away. Close to throwing shit at my TV at the end of the game.
Other things that bothered me;
- failure tokeep it simple ie... get it deep and on net instead of trying to make the cute pass, skate/puck handle through 4 defenders.
- Q pulling the Goalie when he did.
- benching both Skille and Dowell.
- stupid turnovers.
- Sucks to be Stahlberg.
- Ott drawing a penalty with an obvious dive.
- Ott high sticking Hendry but Benn taking his place in the box (allowing Ott to pot an empty net goal).
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