TGDT: 10/16 Sabres @ Blackhawks 7:30 WGN

[Guest]

[quote name="5Minutes4Fighting"]



Look Ron, I basically agree with you about the role of the 4th line, and of course never said they should be 50 goal guys. But fact is they are short on talent, and they are there for hustle and spark. But that role is not that hard to fill (unlike the top lines).



Winning the Cup last year was primarily because of the talent at the top, not because of Burish, Fraser and Eager. Nothing against them personally, but those guys are a dime a dozen, and are available on the free agent scrap heap every summer.



-5Minutes[/quote]



I don't really care mind you but I'd never have sat Skille last night for Scott. In the scheme of things I think it sends a shitty message to Skille, who in all respect has played extremely well for what they've asked of him. The 4th line is not there to score goals. Some would be nice and last year they chipped in at Key times. IE Eager against Philly. That was a timely goal.



As for Leddy he'll spend his time in Rockford when Campbell returns. This has to be a money issue. We are extremely near the Cap and they will need all funds available. He has not played poorly at all. Especially with the amount of minutes he's been given right off the bat against the best hockey players in the World. This short experience here with the big boys will do him wonders IMO.

 

[Rdrhwke]

[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



How did he "hurt the team" yesterday?



So comical that all of the focus is on Scott who played barely any time on the 4th line and barely any on the real goat, Cullimore. Jesus Christ people... the Hawks could have won 10-1 and people would still be bitching.[/quote]



You just answered it for me.



How much did Scott contribute Stu?? Tell me exactly what he did outside of taking up space on the bench. For that matter, what has he contributed the entire season thus far outside of showing all the young hockey players how not to skate?



Please don't throw me the crap about his role as an enforcer and preventing opponents from taking runs at other Hawks. If memory serves me correctly, Grier took one helluva run at Leddy last night and obviously didn't give any thought to Scott maybe looking for payback.



Bottom line is that Scott can't prevent shit sitting on the bench for 55 minutes. All he can do is retaliate and give the other team a PP in the process.



Sorry, I don't hate Scott but he serves no purpose on this team sitting on the bench for 55 minutes.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

[quote name="Rdrhwke"]



You just answered it for me.



How much did Scott contribute Stu?? Tell me exactly what he did outside of taking up space on the bench. For that matter, what has he contributed the entire season thus far outside of showing all the young hockey players how not to skate?



Please don't throw me the crap about his role as an enforcer and preventing opponents from taking runs at other Hawks. If memory serves me correctly, Grier took one helluva run at Leddy last night and obviously didn't give any thought to Scott maybe looking for payback.



Bottom line is that Scott can't prevent shit sitting on the bench for 55 minutes. All he can do is retaliate and give the other team a PP in the process.



Sorry, I don't hate Scott but he serves no purpose on this team sitting on the bench for 55 minutes.[/quote]



I guess Q doesn't know what he's doing or anything then. I would like to know his exact words on why Skille was scratched instead of Scott, but I'll trust my coach who won the Stanley Cup last year.



As pointed out a few times, you'll only have to see him play for the next two games and then he won't be used for awhile.



I wonder who the new whipping boy will be?

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



I guess Q doesn't know what he's doing or anything then. I would like to know his exact words on why Skille was scratched instead of Scott, but I'll trust my coach who won the Stanley Cup last year.



As pointed out a few times, you'll only have to see him play for the next two games and then he won't be used for awhile.



I wonder who the new whipping boy will be?[/quote]



You are the only one saying he's a whipping boy. No one is blaming anything on him other than he can't skate worth shit. Although you could say his falling down skating back wards against detroit didn't help. Then again that might have been Turco's softest goal against so far this year.

 

[The Count Dante]

[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



I guess Q doesn't know what he's doing or anything then. I would like to know his exact words on why Skille was scratched instead of Scott, but I'll trust my coach who won the Stanley Cup last year.



As pointed out a few times, you'll only have to see him play for the next two games and then he won't be used for awhile.



I wonder who the new whipping boy will be?[/quote]





HUET!

 

[bierboy]

[quote name="5Minutes4Fighting"]...Ummm, Scott played forward, not defense. His days on the blue line in Chicago are over....[/quote]



I didn't say he was playing defense. I'm saying there's NO WAY IN HADES he should be playing...PERIOD...for the Hawks....especially at the expense of not playing Skille.

 

[Rdrhwke]

[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



I guess Q doesn't know what he's doing or anything then. I would like to know his exact words on why Skille was scratched instead of Scott, but I'll trust my coach who won the Stanley Cup last year.



As pointed out a few times, you'll only have to see him play for the next two games and then he won't be used for awhile.



I wonder who the new whipping boy will be?[/quote]





Stu, I'm not making him a whipping boy. I believe I've already posted some displeasure with the invisibility of Bolland (until yesterday) and Brouwer. But the difference is those guys can at least skate and overall contribute a whole lot more than Scott.

 

[5Minutes4Fighting]

[quote name="Rdrhwke"]



You just answered it for me.



How much did Scott contribute Stu?? Tell me exactly what he did outside of taking up space on the bench. For that matter, what has he contributed the entire season thus far outside of showing all the young hockey players how not to skate?



Please don't throw me the crap about his role as an enforcer and preventing opponents from taking runs at other Hawks. If memory serves me correctly, Grier took one helluva run at Leddy last night and obviously didn't give any thought to Scott maybe looking for payback.



Bottom line is that Scott can't prevent shit sitting on the bench for 55 minutes. All he can do is retaliate and give the other team a PP in the process.



Sorry, I don't hate Scott but he serves no purpose on this team sitting on the bench for 55 minutes.[/quote]



Look, your point contradicts your argument. Last game, their guy got a concussion because of a dirty/dangerous hit along the boards by our guy. Grier took one helluva a run at Leddy last night because that is Grier's job. That's the kind of retaliation you expect, which is why Scott dressed.



So you can be damb sure Grier is going to return the favor if the chance presents itself. It did. Grier knew that it probably meant a fight with Scott. Grier is a bad ass, so that is no deterrent, and nobody says it is.



But the point is Scott was there to fight Grier, and hopefully pummel him after that hit. That is why Scott was in the lineup. The only reason. As it turns out, Grier didn't hit the target on Leddy or anybody else. But there is no way to know that before a game.



I personally think the biggest reason we have Scott is because of the Wiz hit on Seabs last year. Keith was the only guy to stand up to Wiz, until the Boynton fight in the last minute of the game (which was boynton's first game as a Hawk). Where the **** was Eager? It was rumored that Q and Scotty were livid that no enforcer had Seab's back. Most likely true.



Besides Seabs, there were also concussions last year to Soup and Hossa, and Keith the year before. All from dangerous or dirty hits. Never any accountability. That's the reason Scott is here, and (IMHO) the only one.



And btw guys, a goon is little ***** who is always running his mouth, instigates fights for no reason, and intentionally hurt people. That is not Scott. And in fact he has no fighting majors this year.



-5Minutes

 

[FlaHawkFan]

[quote name="5Minutes4Fighting"]



Look, your point contradicts your argument. Last game, their guy got a concussion because of a dirty/dangerous hit along the boards by our guy. Grier took one helluva a run at Leddy last night because that is Grier's job. That's the kind of retaliation you expect, which is why Scott dressed.



So you can be damb sure Grier is going to return the favor if the chance presents itself. It did. Grier knew that it probably meant a fight with Scott. Grier is a bad ass, so that is no deterrent, and nobody says it is.



But the point is Scott was there to fight Grier, and hopefully pummel him after that hit. That is why Scott was in the lineup. The only reason. As it turns out, Grier didn't hit the target on Leddy or anybody else. But there is no way to know that before a game.



I personally think the biggest reason we have Scott is because of the Wiz hit on Seabs last year. Keith was the only guy to stand up to Wiz, until the Boynton fight in the last minute of the game (which was boynton's first game as a Hawk). Where the **** was Eager? It was rumored that Q and Scotty were livid that no enforcer had Seab's back. Most likely true.



Besides Seabs, there were also concussions last year to Soup and Hossa, and Keith the year before. All from dangerous or dirty hits. Never any accountability. That's the reason Scott is here, and (IMHO) the only one.



And btw guys, a goon is little ***** who is always running his mouth, instigates fights for no reason, and intentionally hurt people. That is not Scott. And in fact he has no fighting majors this year.



-5Minutes[/quote]



But if Grier had hit his mark, Leddy may very well have suffered a concussion. And Scott was in the game. So really, what good did it do to have Scott in the game instead of Skille, or anybody else with more talent? Grier obviously wasn't intimidated -- he was simply off on his timing. And I didn't see Scott go after Grier following the attempt to take Leddy out. Or did it happen and I missed it?

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

[quote name="FlaHawkFan"]



But if Grier had hit his mark, Leddy may very well have suffered a concussion. And Scott was in the game. So really, what good did it do to have Scott in the game instead of Skille, or anybody else with more talent? Grier obviously wasn't intimidated -- he was simply off on his timing. And I didn't see Scott go after Grier following the attempt to take Leddy out. Or did it happen and I missed it?[/quote]



He did go after him and the refs got right in the way and Grier pussied out. I even remember Scott looking at him and saying something and shoving him away. Probably said "that's what i thought" or something like that. And guess who we saw none of the rest of the game? Grier.

 

[Guest]

There was no "bad ass" on that Sabre team last night. Greir is NOT a bad ass. Far from it.



Again Bickell, Brouwer, Dowell, could have atoned for anything instead of costing the team a skater, instead of someone that can't.



I get your point, but the Sabres are a team of pussies. Now, again, if there were a BOOGARD, or Jodey Shelly, Or Winchester (tomorrow night) then you might have a valid argument.



The Sabres and a tough guy.. Not a chance....

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



He did go after him and the refs got right in the way and Grier pussied out. I even remember Scott looking at him and saying something and shoving him away. Probably said "that's what i thought" or something like that. And guess who we saw none of the rest of the game? Grier.[/quote]



Koleta ran away from Bickell. Twice. Grier was out there late in the 3rd.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

[quote name="R K"]



Koleta ran away from Bickell. Twice. Grier was out there late in the 3rd.[/quote]



Ya I meant you weren't able to notice him.

 

[FlaHawkFan]

[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



He did go after him and the refs got right in the way and Grier pussied out. I even remember Scott looking at him and saying something and shoving him away. Probably said "that's what i thought" or something like that. And guess who we saw none of the rest of the game? Grier.[/quote]



Well, that's good I guess. But the fact remains that having Scott in the game didn't prevent Grier from taking a run at Leddy in the first place. I'm just not sure having someone like Scott in there is going to prevent a cheap shot before it happens. That's all I'm saying. Hell, it should be enough that guys are risking suspension for cheap shots but that obviously didn't affect Grier, either. He was pretty damned lucky he missed -- and IMO, the league should have a chat with him because his intent looked worse than Hammer's when he hit Pominville.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



Ya I meant you weren't able to notice him.[/quote]



I must have noticed him because I remember him down in our zone in the 3rd LOL!





41-21 shots on goal. The Sabres had ONE thing in mind last night, the W. They were not there to cause shit, like "Koleta" had suggested BEFORE Hammers suspension.



Tomorrow night would be a night for Scott IMO. Maybe Wed, too.

 

[winos5]

After reading 9+ pages I have only one thing to say.





That was one the most satisfying regular season games/wins I have ever watched. I'd love to know what Seabs said at the end of the game that got their panties in a wad. I'd bet it was something like "See you pussies next year!"

 

[Maiden]

[quote name="R K"]



I must have noticed him because I remember him down in our zone in the 3rd LOL!





41-21 shots on goal. The Sabres had ONE thing in mind last night, the W. They were not there to cause shit, like "Koleta" had suggested BEFORE Hammers suspension.



Tomorrow night would be a night for Scott IMO. Maybe Wed, too.[/quote]



Colin Campbell made it very clear to the Sabres organization that any monkey business Saturday night would not be tolerated and if any took place the ramifications would have been worse than what Hjalphabet incurred.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="Maiden"]



Colin Campbell made it very clear to the Sabres organization that any monkey business Saturday night would not be tolerated and if any took place the ramifications would have been worse than what Hjalphabet incurred.[/quote]



Yea the only Monkey Business was doled out by Tim Peel and Kozari....

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

[quote name="R K"]



Yea the only Monkey Business was doled out by Tim Peel and Kozari....[/quote]



You can say that again..... and again.

 

[Rdrhwke]

[quote name="5Minutes4Fighting"]



Look, your point contradicts your argument. Last game, their guy got a concussion because of a dirty/dangerous hit along the boards by our guy. Grier took one helluva a run at Leddy last night because that is Grier's job. That's the kind of retaliation you expect, which is why Scott dressed.



So you can be damb sure Grier is going to return the favor if the chance presents itself. It did. Grier knew that it probably meant a fight with Scott. Grier is a bad ass, so that is no deterrent, and nobody says it is.



But the point is Scott was there to fight Grier, and hopefully pummel him after that hit. That is why Scott was in the lineup. The only reason. As it turns out, Grier didn't hit the target on Leddy or anybody else. But there is no way to know that before a game.



I personally think the biggest reason we have Scott is because of the Wiz hit on Seabs last year. Keith was the only guy to stand up to Wiz, until the Boynton fight in the last minute of the game (which was boynton's first game as a Hawk). Where the **** was Eager? It was rumored that Q and Scotty were livid that no enforcer had Seab's back. Most likely true.



Besides Seabs, there were also concussions last year to Soup and Hossa, and Keith the year before. All from dangerous or dirty hits. Never any accountability. That's the reason Scott is here, and (IMHO) the only one.



And btw guys, a goon is little ***** who is always running his mouth, instigates fights for no reason, and intentionally hurt people. That is not Scott. And in fact he has no fighting majors this year.



-5Minutes[/quote]



I didn't contradict anything. Everyone who supports having Scott has said that his role is as an enforcer to prevent people from taking runs at the Hawks. Well, if that is his role, then obviously Grier, whether it was his job or not, obviously wasn't intimidated by the idea of Scott pounding him into Lala land. So basically it comes down to an act of retaliation. All fine and well but if Grier connected, Leddy is out and the damage is done whether Scott beats his ass or not. So in the end, Scott didn't discourage anything.



That begs the question..... do the Hawks sit a more talented guy to dress someone just in case they need someone to retaliate? I say no.