TGDT: 10/16 Sabres @ Blackhawks 7:30 WGN

[bierboy]

[quote name="Stu Grimson"]



If you "need skille to win" you're not a very good team.[/quote]

That's not the point Stu. Skille or Scott is a no-brainer....I don't care what team you're playing or what the situation is. With what I've seen of Scott this year, he doesn't deserve to be on a pee-wee hockey team. Skille should be dressing instead of him ANY night...

 

[FlaHawkFan]

[quote name="bierboy"]

That's not the point Stu. Skille or Scott is a no-brainer....I don't care what team you're playing or what the situation is. With what I've seen of Scott this year, he doesn't deserve to be on a pee-wee hockey team. Skille should be dressing instead of him ANY night...[/quote]



Exactly. You play your best players. You don't sit a guy who's been playing his ass off all season so far to start a guy who can't skate a lick -- and worse, who is a freaking liability every time he hits the ice -- just because you're scared the other team might start something. IMO, the Sabres tricked Q into making that mistake. They needed a win, not a fight or retribution or a bunch of penalties. So they talked shit and Q started a big oaf in place of a good player.



If a guy is playing well he doesn't deserve to be a healthy scratch. Especially not to make room for a guy who is absolutely AWFUL. What kind of message does that send your team? "I don't care if you're playing great, you're going to be benched for somebody who's playing like shit because I'm scared that my guys aren't tough enough to handle themselves." And what scares me even more is that Troy Murray was talking after the game about how Scott will be getting more work this week because the Hawks play the Blues twice. WTF? Scott's skating scares me worse than his size will scare the Blues.



On a lighter note I had to chuckle at TCD's comment about Hendry's play last night -- given that Jordan was a scratch!

 

[5Minutes4Fighting]

random thoughts



1) For this game, Skille in box, Scott dressing was right move. I said this after the game in Buffalo



2) Patrick Sharp for mayor. Stud on ice, Irish name. Get out the vote.



3) Cuillimore just doesn't suck, he worse than sucks. Allow me to explain. Its bad enough watching a guy try to play defense who can't (e.g. Scott), but for those of us who had to suffer through the Cullimore - Aucoin days and go home nightly contemplating od'ing on whatever was in the bathroom, its much worse. Watching Cullimore brings back my worse memories as a Blackhawks fan. Its torture, it really is. Please send him back to Rockford. Hendry sucks too, but for the love of Mary, please play him instead. Soupy's 20 minutes a game should go a long way in solving this problem.



4) I sat in row 3 of 109 and watched Turco very closely in the 1st and 3d period. Long story short, he really impressed me. Brought back memories of Eddie the Eagle. Now those memories I like. For one, he plays with a lot of confidence. Mental part, check. Positionally sound and sees the puck well. Fundamentals, check. But, as i said after the Jackets game, him playing the puck causes my blood pressure to go up.



5) I ***** about the refs once or twice a year. but that call with Kopey negating the goal was beyond brutal. Question, isn't something like that (negation of a goal) supposed to be reviewed in Toronto? It didnt' seem like it. I was thinking maybe Q should have called a time out so there be time to get that reviewed. Even the video weenies in Toronto for sure would have righted that awful call.



6) I was actually surprised to see Turks in net since Craw had a great game in Buffalo and it was back to back (with travel) plus Marty is no spring chicken. But no complaints, Turks stood very tall.



that's all i got.



-5Minutes

 

[Gemini13]

[quote name="R K"]



Sorry other than his gaff at the end of the Nashville game he's probably been one of this teams most solid D men. That's why he's on the team.



I'd take Boynton before Cullimore, Scott and Hendry at this point. Boynton was not the cause of ANY goals tonight. He was a +1 and played 20 minutes. WTF are you talking about?[/quote]



He's also 4th in the league in blocked shot. I think people suffer to much for blind hate and look for any little thing they can harp on in game to game basis and miss the big picture. People get a notion that someone is bad or deficient at something and they run with it.



That being said Scott should only play against select teams for one reason and Cullimore shouldn't be in the NHL.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

One thing I forgot to mention earlier was the Buffalo came into the game on a 4 game losing streak. Some may say the 'Hawks sucked, but Buffalo was really fired up for this game and taking it to the 'Hawks. They kept on doing so until they ran out of gas (and the Bolland goal).

 

[5Minutes4Fighting]

[quote name="R K"]Kopecky was pushed into Lalime and the side of the net. But that was 20 seconds before Keith lofted the puck. There was plenty of time. Turco was interfered with several times yet neither called it. Then at the end of the game are you fucking serious. Again worst officiating I've seen in a long time. Tim Peel fucking sucks and Kozari is a fucking pawn chump.



Even the Buffalo fans sitting with me on both sides of the isle thought the officiating sucked and was completely in their favor. The Toews cross checking, completely wiping out a PP coming our way was just as fucked. He totally DOVE no question.[/quote]

Ron, you do realize you say that after every Hawks loss, right?



-5Minutes

 

[bierboy]

[quote name="5Minutes4Fighting"]...For this game, Skille in box, Scott dressing was right move. I said this after the game in Buffalo...



....Its bad enough watching a guy try to play defense who can't (e.g. Scott)....[/quote]



You arguing with yourself....we needed defense in this game (as we do EVERY game)...



NO FREAKING WAY Scott should be on this team...PERIOD. From what I've seen of him so far, he brings absolutely NOTHING to the table for us...ZERO.

 

[bookjones]

[quote name="THe Count Dante"]



Ooo, I think you might be disappointed in that, in my opinion, he HAS cooled it down with the puck playing . But I do agree, you cant just throw the boys at a goalie like Turco cold. He needs to give the D time to adjust.



It is part of what I like about watching him...you just dont know what he might do. Sometimes? It is a bad giveaway. Other times? It is a tape to tape shuffle pass to kane on the blue line...[/quote]



Exactly. Turco cooled it down his last season in DAL which for him was a "rebound" season. He made the commitment LAST season to try to re-focus on his game, cut some charity and team event obligations, cooling it terms of forcing the puck playing every moment of every game, worked on some fundamentals and as a result his numbers were improved from the previous season even behind that woefully undermanned and undertalented, and anemic DAL defense.



It's exactly like RK said too, you live by the sword, you die by the sword. I can not for the life of me understand WTF people thought we were getting in Turco's game when his major selling point is that he's one of the best puck-handling goalies ever. Therefore WTF did people think was gonna happen? That he isn't going to play the puck a few times in every game? Ridiculous. Turco is high risk, high reward and that is a constant that will never go away if you want to fully utilize his talents. I really can't fucking stand that I am already seeing the same undie-bunching, high drama micro-dissecting of and whinging about every goddamn goal he allows in like all the goalie bullshit that went on in Chicago last season. Also, let's keep it real here and not forget that a 10 year vet agreed to come play here for fucking $1.3 million at a time when the Hawks LITERALLY could not offer to pay more for a goalie PERIOD and that alone should shut people the **** up because Crawford and Toivenen during the Cup defense season? Just. No.

 

[Guest]

[quote name="5Minutes4Fighting"]

Ron, you do realize you say that after every Hawks loss, right?



-5Minutes[/quote]



Only when it applies Larry. Last night, it totally applied. You explain why "that guy", Kozari, allowed Peel to over turn the goal, or why many times last night the Sabres were given free reign and the Hawks not.



So far that the worst of the 6 games this year.



One point difference after 6 games this year from last.

 

[5Minutes4Fighting]

[quote name="5Minutes4Fighting"]...For this game, Skille in box, Scott dressing was right move. I said this after the game in Buffalo...



....Its bad enough watching a guy try to play defense who can't (e.g. Scott)....[/quote]



[quote name="bierboy"]You arguing with yourself....we needed defense in this game (as we do EVERY game)...



NO FREAKING WAY Scott should be on this team...PERIOD. From what I've seen of him so far, he brings absolutely NOTHING to the table for us...ZERO.[/quote]



Ummm, Scott played forward, not defense. His days on the blue line in Chicago are over.



And BTW, Cullimore and Hendry can't play defense either. But they, like Scott, make the league minimum. Guys making dishwasher wages don't bring a lot to the table. And they're going to get minutes when other guys are injured. That's reality.



-5Minutes

 

[Guest]

[quote name="5Minutes4Fighting"]







Ummm, Scott played forward, not defense. His days on the blue line in Chicago are over.



And BTW, Cullimore and Hendry can't play defense either. But they, like Scott, make the league minimum. Guys making dishwasher wages don't bring a lot to the table. And they're going to get minutes when other guys are injured. That's reality.



-5Minutes[/quote]





Scratching Skille for Scott was a dumb move. That's reality.

 

[5Minutes4Fighting]

No doubt Skille was missed. Hard to replace his goal scoring and play-making ability (5 games, 0g, 1a.) Somehow the Hawks overcome though.



-5Minutes

 

[Guest]

[quote name="5Minutes4Fighting"]No doubt Skille was missed. Hard to replace his goal scoring and play-making ability (5 games, 0g, 1a.) Somehow the Hawks overcome though.



-5Minutes[/quote]



Some of these posts I have read already this morning made me wish I would have just skipped coming online and gone straight on to the rest of my day.



Skille being scratched for Scott? Sure, the Sabres could have came after Hammer, but nobody on their team was a threat that guys like Boyton, Seabs, Bickell and Dowell couldn't have taken care of. I'm one who has disliked Skille since we took him over Kopitar, but that was brutal on Q's part as Skille has probably been one of the most effective fore checkers and defensively to date this season. He's played a lot better then guys like Pisani, Dowell and especially Scott. Sure scoring goals and getting points is important, but having a guy who can bring energy and play a solid two-way game without being a liability is also important.

 

[Guest]

Don't explain the obvious Trev. Although you might have to explain to a few what a forcheck is. Then you might want to teach Scott that if he can actually get some speed he too, might be able to forcheck.



Why have a player on the 4th line bring skating ability and speed?

 

[Guest]

[quote name="5Minutes4Fighting"]No doubt Skille was missed. Hard to replace his goal scoring and play-making ability (5 games, 0g, 1a.) Somehow the Hawks overcome though.



-5Minutes[/quote]



It's called the 4th line. Remind me how many points any of them have, other than Stalberg who scored his first goal against Columbus.



Stalberg-Dowell-Skille was one of the more consistent lines out there for ALL the games. Other than the top line of course.



Mean while that line was not coherent last night.

 

[bookjones]

[quote name="R K"]





Scratching Skille for Scott was a dumb move. That's reality.[/quote]



Period.





The Stalberg-Skille line hadn't been able to put up any points until Friday's goal but they sure as hell have been hustling and generating opportunities for themselves and showing increasing chemistry improvement. Not to mention containing their speed has been a constant threat and trap for the opposition time and again which explains why they've drawn so many penalties and sent the Hawks on PP opportunities. It was noticeable that we didn't have that line last night which is precisely why everyone was going, "Where's Skille?" or "Why was Skille a scratch?"

 

[Guest]

[quote name="bookjones"]



Period.





The Stalberg-Skille line hadn't been able to put up any points until Friday's goal but they sure as hell have been hustling and generating opportunities for themselves and showing increasing chemistry improvement. Not to mention containing their speed has been a constant threat and trap for the opposition time and again which explains why they've drawn so many penalties and sent the Hawks on PP opportunities. It was noticeable that we didn't have that line last night which is precisely why everyone was going, "Where's Skille?" or "Why was Skille a scratch?"[/quote]





This. Outsanding post Book.



And to add I'm not a huge Skille fan but those three have been gaining CHEMISTRY! The biggest issue with this team right now.



If it were a team with Boogard, or Shelley, or another BRUISER I could see dressing Scott. Monday against the Blues I could see dressing Scott. Last night I could see dressing him, but not at the expense of a player with actual skill against a team that has NO ONE that can fight. Koleta? LOL!

 

[FlaHawkFan]

[quote name="TJD"]



Some of these posts I have read already this morning made me wish I would have just skipped coming online and gone straight on to the rest of my day.



Skille being scratched for Scott? Sure, the Sabres could have came after Hammer, but nobody on their team was a threat that guys like Boyton, Seabs, Bickell and Dowell couldn't have taken care of. I'm one who has disliked Skille since we took him over Kopitar, but that was brutal on Q's part as Skille has probably been one of the most effective fore checkers and defensively to date this season. He's played a lot better then guys like Pisani, Dowell and especially Scott. Sure scoring goals and getting points is important, but having a guy who can bring energy and play a solid two-way game without being a liability is also important.[/quote]



And that's the part that burns me. Why bench Skille? Pisani has been serviceable on the PK but otherwise he's been invisible, so why not bench him if you absolutely "need" to have Scott in the game (which you don't)? No, Skille doesn't have a bunch of points but he also hasn't cost the Hawks goals the way Scott has. And by killing the "fourth line," which has been taking it to the other team every game and forcing them to spend time in their defensive zone, Q guaranteed that the Hawks would be more disorganized and, indirectly, that the Sabres would spend more time in the Hawks' zone lobbing more shots at Turco. I'm still shaking my head at the decision to bench Skille. I mean, I get the "reason" but it's nonsense to me.

 

[FlaHawkFan]

[quote name="bookjones"]



Period.





The Stalberg-Skille line hadn't been able to put up any points until Friday's goal but they sure as hell have been hustling and generating opportunities for themselves and showing increasing chemistry improvement. Not to mention containing their speed has been a constant threat and trap for the opposition time and again which explains why they've drawn so many penalties and sent the Hawks on PP opportunities. It was noticeable that we didn't have that line last night which is precisely why everyone was going, "Where's Skille?" or "Why was Skille a scratch?"[/quote]



:clap: :clap: :clap: And I promise I was posting mine before seeing yours, such that I did not plagiarize!

 

[Guest]

As I've stated, I've never been a Skille fan, if anything I never even gave him a fair chance.



But, with the way he's started the season, he's been one of the most consistent forwards we've had and brings a lot more to the table then some of the guys who were dressed before him last night.