TGDT 11/19 - Blackhawks (14-3-4) @ Avalanche (14-5-0) 8:00PM CSN

[PatrickSharpRules]

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Dick... you are supposed to specify which team.</p>
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Also kind of funny that my hope was the exact opposite in every way. Horrible start to the circus trip, played shit defense and lost 5-1.</p>

 

[MassHavoc]

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Also kind of funny that my hope was the exact opposite in every way. Horrible start to the circus trip, played shit defense and lost 5-1.</p>
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You know it's funny because when they were down I think... 3-0 or maybe 2-0 (there were so many goals I can't remember)? They were absolutely dominating the Avs in everyway. ***** slapping them around in 2 minute shifts in their own way but they couldn't get the puck in the net to save their life and toews had the break away and they came back and scored like 10 second later and it all unraveled. Just complete shit...</p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

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You know it's funny because when they were down I think... 3-0 or maybe 2-0 (there were so many goals I can't remember)? They were absolutely dominating the Avs in everyway. ***** slapping them around in 2 minute shifts in their own way but they couldn't get the puck in the net to save their life and toews had the break away and they came back and scored like 10 second later and it all unraveled. Just complete shit...</p>
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You're not lying... it looked like they were on the power play for most of the first half of the game.</p>

 

[Variable]

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For the lower lines, your better players might not be able to fill a certain role. Bolligs is to be an enforcer who can play a regular shift. He's done that very well and he's improved tremendously over the year. You can't in the NHL run 4 straight lines of skilled players as you need the grinders and bangers on the 4th line.</p>
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But that's pretty much what the Hawks did in the playoffs. That "soft" 4th line of Kruger, Bolland and Frolik seemed to have worked out okay against the big mean Bruins.</p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

New game tomorrow bros... who cares.

Kane -4

 

[Shantz My Pants]

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But that's pretty much what the Hawks did in the playoffs. That "soft" 4th line of Kruger, Bolland and Frolik seemed to have worked out okay against the big mean Bruins.</p></blockquote>


Yes, but they also adapted to their roles of being 4th liners and were very much defensive in their play and physical on the forecheck. Just so happens they have some offensive skill as well.


Some of our guys in Rockford have been deemed not 4th line adapters. It's been obviously noted Morin has issues in his own end and away from the puck. Why toss him on the 4th line then?


Bollig can atleast play in his own end well enough and is great on the forecheck and able to give the top 3 lines a shift off. He's also not hurting the cap with his contract, so why not keep him on the 4th line and play him?

 

[Tater]

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Yes, but they also adapted to their roles of being 4th liners and were very much defensive in their play and physical on the forecheck. Just so happens they have some offensive skill as well.


Some of our guys in Rockford have been deemed not 4th line adapters. It's been obviously noted Morin has issues in his own end and away from the puck. Why toss him on the 4th line then?


Bollig can atleast play in his own end well enough and is great on the forecheck and able to give the top 3 lines a shift off. He's also not hurting the cap with his contract, so why not keep him on the 4th line and play him?</p>
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Not to mention he will also throw a check, something missing without Bickell around.</p>

 

[winos5]

Bickell "out a couple weeks" with lower body injury per Q</p>


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Hoss "hopeful" for tonight</p>

 

[Variable]

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Yes, but they also adapted to their roles of being 4th liners and were very much defensive in their play and physical on the forecheck. Just so happens they have some offensive skill as well.


Some of our guys in Rockford have been deemed not 4th line adapters. It's been obviously noted Morin has issues in his own end and away from the puck. Why toss him on the 4th line then?


Bollig can atleast play in his own end well enough and is great on the forecheck and able to give the top 3 lines a shift off. He's also not hurting the cap with his contract, so why not keep him on the 4th line and play him?</p>
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But that's not what I said. I've said Bollig is fine as a 13th forward/4th liner, as that's all he's ever going to be.  I said there's no reason a 7th  d-man should be playing forward over Morin. With the Versteeg trade I knew that was going to be pretty much it for Morin this year, unless injuries occur.</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Not every response of mine is towards you Variable.

My post you originally quoted was meant towards Jim and his best players comment. My next post in response is towards what you said directly to me, not posts you said before hand.


Morin should be getting a chance on the 3rd line over Brookbank (Morin was also just recalled).

 

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But even in that post...you were wrong lol. You said teams can't do that, the Hawks can and just did. This was the same type of discusison that was going on during the playoffs, over scratching Stalberg in favor of Bollig where people were missing the point. It's not that he's a really good player is why you dress him, or that he was doing particularly well, it's that you dress your team to it's strengths. The Hawks really don't need "bangers", that doesn't play a big part of how they play or in how they succeed. They were dead last in hits by a pretty big margin last season and have been at the bottom of the league in that for years now.  So yeah, I don't understand the value some people see in guys like Bollig when that's not how the Hawks play. It's almost like they're watching a different team.</p>

 

[Tater]

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But even in that post...you were wrong lol. You said teams can't do that, the Hawks can and just did. This was the same type of discusison that was going on during the playoffs, over scratching Stalberg in favor of Bollig where people were missing the point. It's not that he's a really good player is why you dress him, or that he was doing particularly well, it's that you dress your team to it's strengths. The Hawks really don't need "bangers", that doesn't play a big part of how they play or in how they succeed. They were dead last in hits by a pretty big margin last season and have been at the bottom of the league in that for years now.  So yeah, I don't understand the value some people see in guys like Bollig when that's not how the Hawks play. It's almost like they're watching a different team.</p>
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He's on the 4th line for **** sakes!!!!!!!!</p>

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

Q prefers Brookbank because Morin can't be trusted to not make the dumb rookie mistakes, its that simple. </p>

 

[Spunky Porkstacker]

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He's on the 4th line for **** sakes!!!!!!!!</p>
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:clap:  :text-+1: Now that Carcillo is gone she needs a new whipping boy.</p>

 

[Variable]

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He's on the 4th line for **** sakes!!!!!!!!</p>
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Yeah it's not like the 4th line for the Hawks were very important or anything. Come on. We can't on one hand boast about the Hawks having the most depth and most balanced team in the league and then on the other say "Well it's just the 4th line!"</p>


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Q prefers Brookbank because Morin can't be trusted to not make the dumb rookie mistakes, its that simple. </p>
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Yeah Morin's a rookie, and rookie mistakes come with the territory, but you're only ever going to know what you ultimately have with a player until you give him opprotunities. I believe that, once given the opportunity and experience, Morin can bring a lot of what Versteeg does. But he's in a tough postion, playing him on the 4th line isn't really going to do anything for him and as long as Versteeg is here he doesn't really have a spot on the third line either and there's no room in the top 6.  With the Versteeg trade, their top 9  are pretty much locked in for the next 2-3 years barring a big trade and/or injuries.</p>

 

[Pez68]

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Q prefers Brookbank because Morin can't be trusted to not make the dumb rookie mistakes, its that simple. </p>
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The backcheck and defensive play Morin made tonight is something you will NEVER see Bollig or Brookbank do. Because they can't skate well enough to ever be in position to do it....</p>

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Kruger, Frolik and Bolland all had a physical edge to them. That wasn't their biggest strength but it helped them keep getting playing time on a team loaded with talent. They were willing to play a 4th line style/role along with their offensive skill which for guys like Morin and Stalberg isn't going to happen as they can't adapt that style/role.


I don't care what the hits stats say, as that doesn't always mean players are physical and playing well defensively. The 4th lines job isn't to provide offense. Their job on many teams is to provide a rest for your first 3 lines and not hurt the team on the scoreboard. a lot of those 4th liners have a role outside of that line (PK), but again they are primarily their to give a rest and if they chip in offensively it's a bonus.

 

[Pez68]

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Kruger, Frolik and Bolland all had a physical edge to them. That wasn't their biggest strength but it helped them keep getting playing time on a team loaded with talent. They were willing to play a 4th line style/role along with their offensive skill which for guys like Morin and Stalberg isn't going to happen as they can't adapt that style/role.


I don't care what the hits stats say, as that doesn't always mean players are physical and playing well defensively. The 4th lines job isn't to provide offense. Their job on many teams is to provide a rest for your first 3 lines and not hurt the team on the scoreboard. a lot of those 4th liners have a role outside of that line (PK), but again they are primarily their to give a rest and if they chip in offensively it's a bonus.</p>
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Bolland, at times... when healthy... But Kruger and Frolik? Come on dude. Now you're just spouting nonsense. Kruger and Frolik play no more a physical game than Morin... In fact, I actually think Morin plays a more physical game than either of them.</p>


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I don't agree with your assessment of the fourth line at all. Your fourth line is the one that provides energy. The sparkplugs. Guys that will go out there, dump and chase, forecheck, and make life difficult for the other team. Are they there to score? No. But they should be capable of handling the puck, making smart plays, and working a fucking cycle. My issues with Bollig stem from the fact that he is absolutely horrible with the puck, can't skate for shit, and has horrible hockey sense. The Hawks are a better team with another forward playing instead of him in about 75% of the games on the schedule.</p>

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Good lord I wish they'd close old GDTs.</p>


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Stop fucking bitching and go celebrate the Hawks 6-3 win.  Find something to ***** about in that game.</p>


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15-4-4</p>


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On pace for franchise record 121 points.</p>

 

[Pez68]

It is called discussion.</p>