TGDT: 11/3 Devils @ Blackhawks 7:30PM CSN

[R K]

And Pez there was nothing I was wrong about to admit I was wrong. When there is, and there are many times, I will most certainly admit I am wrong. Hell I was reading the OLD CBA for almost an entire season!



So far Kane and Toews have yet to be responsible for losing us a game other than general losses THE team loses, so everyone takes the blame. Some other players, clearly have been the goat on the costing games. Turco, Keith, Hjralmarsson. Their bone headed plays have led directly to the puck ending up in the back of the net.



And the top dog, Quenneville! He's probably to blame the most. Crazy moves so far ALL year!

 

[Pez68]

Kane and Toews haven't lost us a game? Ok, sure, I can probably go along with that. But, they're not getting paid to "not lose games" for us. That's what you expect out of your third and fourth liners, and your 5/6 defensemen. Kane, Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Hammer, Campbell, Hossa, Sharp, BOLLAND, these guys are getting paid to WIN games for us. How many of those guys are actually doing that right now? Sharp, Hossa early on? Other than that?

Also, I don't really understand your logic here. How is our top forwards not scoring, not just as big a reason for a loss, as our top defenders or goaltender not keeping the puck out of the net?

 

[Chaps]

How many goals did that line score? Hell, how many MINUTES did those fucking guys play? I'm done, because obviously some people can't look at things objectively here. Rah, rah, cheer on our Hawks! Bullshit. Hendry and Scott aren't on most NHL teams in this league, let alone playing as FORWARDS. If you don't see that as a problem, maybe you should **** off to another sport?



Here's some help for you, since you don't seem to be getting it. Hendry played 3:49 tonight. Scott played 3:19 tonight. Why even fucking dress these guys? They played less than 4 minutes each, and yet, still found a way to get scored on. Good job? Why not just divide those minutes up amongst the 10 REAL forwards on the team, and send them down to the AHL, if we're all about saving cap space?



Keith played nearly 30 minutes again tonight. Toews, Kane, Sharp, all with nearly 22 minutes of ice time. That is NOT NORMAL. Why is that happening? Well, because we have scrubs like Cullimore, Boynton, Hendry, Scott, etc., that AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH to play a regular NHL shift. So they **** up several times, get their ice time cut to nothing, and we overwork our big guns. All this after playing more games than any other team in the NHL last season and having a short off-season.



Awesome?

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0&[/media]

 

[the canadian dream]

omg chaps!!!! i couldn't take that at all!!!! oh my god my ribs hurt.



sorry pez...lol. that was gold though.

 

[FlaHawkFan]

That's just mean.

Darth Fluff finds your lack of faith disturbing.

LMFAO!! I just can't stop laughing at that.



What I want to know is, who was responsible for the fact that Hendry and Scott played (loosely speaking) forward tonight? Was it a coach's decision, or was it a cap move foisted upon Q by Bowman? Regardless, it was a terrible call. I know the Hawks are a professional team and that the guys should be ready to play every game but how the HELL is the team supposed to take the game seriously when two perfectly serviceable forwards are sent down so Scott and Hendry can play three minutes each at forward? Isn't the message to your team from that move, "What the ****, it's the Devils, we can win playing two complete fuckups at forward so no need to try"??? That's the way I saw it. Hell, I got down a bit when I saw that fourth line. Why should the players be all happy about it?



If it was something that was truly needed for cap purposes, I guess I'll sort of understand it. But only if it was absolutely necessary. If it was just a "hey, we'll be fine in this game with these guys" move, then it is completely unacceptable. Why the **** have two guys in the lineup when you're only going to play them 3 minutes each? As poorly as the players played, or I guess as uninspired as they played for most of the game, I am not blaming this one on the players.



Also, FWIW, I thought Hjammer had his best game of the season. He looked great.

 

[Kerfuffle]

Also, FWIW, I thought Hjammer had his best game of the season. He looked great.

He's still not the same Hammer he was last year. He wasn't finishing checks tonight that I saw - one was an obvious hit he needed to do and just pulled up softly to avoid contact. But overall, this team does not look good at all. Troy Murray nailed it on the postgame saying there was no urgency, no passion in this team. And of course seeing Skille with a clear breakaway in the first I thought to myself there's no way he scores and being right again. I hope people can see he is the 'million moves to nowhere' guy out there - fast skater and tries hard but just can't score. I can see why he has been buried in the farm system over the years.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

The Blues have only played 9 games and the Hawks have played 15? Uhhh? Nice scheduling... Keith is going to be dead by the halfway point of the season at this rate... hell, a lot of Hawks will be.



That being said, the Hawks have played 6 more games than the Blues yet only have 1 more point. Blues are 6-1-2, including 5-0-0 at home... sheesh.



Better start getting these points against bottom feeders or it might be lonely around Blackhawks land in April.



Yea, you could say we're missing Hossa and to some extent Bolland... but if you need those players to beat the Devils who have 7 players on IR then you have much bigger problems.



Please note that I am not being a chicken little through 15 games... but if we continue to lose ugly games to injury plagued/bad teams it's not going to be a fun April.

 

[BiscuitintheBasket]

Let me know who was the center out on the ice when that happened, and where he was on that play. Puck support would have been nice. Obviously you've never had a puck in your skates before. Not exactly an easy task to find it and clear it with an opposing forward(or two)on you. That's where your fucking center should be coming in to help out, but, as usual, our forwards were lending ZERO puck support to the defense. Common theme this year. I'm done. That fourth line was a fucking abomination, and we won't win half our games playing with that horseshit lineup. If you can't see that, I'm not sure what to tell you.

You must be talking about the 2nd Devils goal, right? Keith, Seabrook, Hendry, and Scott were within the keys when Keith (all alone), was trying to coral the puck. Pisani saw that Keith was going to control the puck and with the other 'Hawks in the area and no Devil really inside of them or close enough to Keith, started skating out of the zone. Just like I was taught to do when there is that much player support around. Unfortunately Keith could not corel the puck, and Scott was way to slow to catchup to his guy.



Normally in that situation, Keith is able to corel the puck and get it out, even the Devils were poised to leave the zone until they saw that he was not going to be able to control it. The support was there, but the puck just could not be controlled, and so there was a turnover...

 

[FlaHawkFan]

He's still not the same Hammer he was last year. He wasn't finishing checks tonight that I saw - one was an obvious hit he needed to do and just pulled up softly to avoid contact. But overall, this team does not look good at all. Troy Murray nailed it on the postgame saying there was no urgency, no passion in this team. And of course seeing Skille with a clear breakaway in the first I thought to myself there's no way he scores and being right again. I hope people can see he is the 'million moves to nowhere' guy out there - fast skater and tries hard but just can't score. I can see why he has been buried in the farm system over the years.

Darth Fluff, no player will ever satisfy you. You rarely see the positive in anything. Everything has a dark side. I did see Hammer's play last night as one of the few positive aspects of last night's game, regardless of whether or not he finished enough checks for your taste.



As for Skille, he's fine as a fourth-liner. It's the Hawks' fault that they drafted him thinking he would be more than that. He's now at a salary that's okay for a decent fourth-liner who plays his ass off every game.

 

[bierboy]

Q on why he played who he did on the 4th line -- "More hockey decisions right now,” Quenneville said. “There are always economics but that line was effective. I know they got scored on but they had a pretty good first period.”



bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!

 

[FlaHawkFan]

You must be talking about the 2nd Devils goal, right? Keith, Seabrook, Hendry, and Scott were within the keys when Keith (all alone), was trying to coral the puck. Pisani saw that Keith was going to control the puck and with the other 'Hawks in the area and no Devil really inside of them or close enough to Keith, started skating out of the zone. Just like I was taught to do when there is that much player support around. Unfortunately Keith could not corel the puck, and Scott was way to slow to catchup to his guy.



Normally in that situation, Keith is able to corel the puck and get it out, even the Devils were poised to leave the zone until they saw that he was not going to be able to control it. The support was there, but the puck just could not be controlled, and so there was a turnover...

I'm not sure which goal Pez is referring to but for the one I'm thinking of, it was Sharp and Kopy who were out there, and Keith had the Devils player coming in on him. I found myself wondering what the heck Sharp and Kopy were doing standing around like a statue (Kopy) and starting to vacate the zone (Sharp) when Keith hadn't controlled the puck -- and even if he had, it looked like he would need an outlet to get the puck out of the crease.

 

[FlaHawkFan]

Q on why he played who he did on the 4th line -- "More hockey decisions right now,” Quenneville said. “There are always economics but that line was effective. I know they got scored on but they had a pretty good first period.”



bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!

LOL. I guess "effective" is one word for it. "That line was effective at keeping the bench warm for the 57 minutes they didn't play."

 

[5Minutes4Fighting]

Ok, here's the deal. After the Edmonton Oil spill last week i said enough is enough. Been watching the Stanley Cup Hangover shuffle and its getting hard to stomach. I'm thinking just wake me up when the team wakes up. I gave away all my tickets to the game. And I only caught about half of it on the tele. I just really don't enjoy watching this team right now.



And please don't try to convince me of how great this team is, especially by comparing stats. Especially stats like last year's team only had x more goals at this point than this years team, or player y is fine because he has the same numbers as last year after 15 games. that's called masturbation.



There's only one real difference between this year's team and last year's team. Two year' ago, the boys beat up the Flames and Canucks in the playoffs and went to the Conf Finals. They came back last year driven, focused and hungry. They were on a mission. Compare this year's team. I said it before, and I'll say it again, The Hangover is real folks. All we can do is ride it out.



And its silly to say you knew we were going to lose when you saw hendry and scott playing on the same line as F's. They were not a factor in the outcome. But i will say this, with Scott and Hendry playing 3 mins a piece as forwards, its now official. We have a 1st, 2nd and4th line, but we don't have a 3rd line. That's a bummer, eh?



Ok, there are two differences between last year and this year. half the team are the good players from last years team most of whom have the hangover. the other half the team are guys making the league minimum and play like it. when you put the two together, that's a problem.



This team has big time depth problems. But they can only be addressed by getting more cap room. We've got like what 8 or so guys making the minimum on the roster and still at the cap limit. issue to address.



-5Minutes

 

[Kerfuffle]

Darth Fluff, no player will ever satisfy you. You rarely see the positive in anything. Everything has a dark side. I did see Hammer's play last night as one of the few positive aspects of last night's game, regardless of whether or not he finished enough checks for your taste.



As for Skille, he's fine as a fourth-liner. It's the Hawks' fault that they drafted him thinking he would be more than that. He's now at a salary that's okay for a decent fourth-liner who plays his ass off every game.

Sorry but Hammer has not been good this year - 0 pts in 15 games? And -9 overall? He's not hitting and the effort is not there. Some guys can handle the big contract and perform but Hammer has not proven he can yet. And I'm not sure what you're seeing as a positive so far this season - losing 5 out of 7 and being below .500 at home speak volumes to how this team is right now.

 

[Kerfuffle]

Ok, here's the deal. After the Edmonton Oil spill last week i said enough is enough. Been watching the Stanley Cup Hangover shuffle and its getting hard to stomach. I'm thinking just wake me up when the team wakes up. I gave away all my tickets to the game. And I only caught about half of it on the tele. I just really don't enjoy watching this team right now.



And please don't try to convince me of how great this team is, especially by comparing stats. Especially stats like last year's team only had x more goals at this point than this years team, or player y is fine because he has the same numbers as last year after 15 games. that's called masturbation.



There's only one real difference between this year's team and last year's team. Two year' ago, the boys beat up the Flames and Canucks in the playoffs and went to the Conf Finals. They came back last year driven, focused and hungry. They were on a mission. Compare this year's team. I said it before, and I'll say it again, The Hangover is real folks. All we can do is ride it out.



And its silly to say you knew we were going to lose when you saw hendry and scott playing on the same line as F's. They were not a factor in the outcome. But i will say this, with Scott and Hendry playing 3 mins a piece as forwards, its now official. We have a 1st, 2nd and4th line, but we don't have a 3rd line. That's a bummer, eh?



Ok, there are two differences between last year and this year. half the team are the good players from last years team most of whom have the hangover. the other half the team are guys making the league minimum and play like it. when you put the two together, that's a problem.



This team has big time depth problems. But they can only be addressed by getting more cap room. We've got like what 8 or so guys making the minimum on the roster and still at the cap limit. issue to address.



-5Minutes

Excellent post - I couldn't agree more. Troy Murray didn't say the word hangover but you could tell from his postgame comments what he was thinking when he said there is no fire or emotion from this team on the ice. We have lost the hunger and the team is basically taking the year off to celebrate their Stanley Cup. With the exception of Dowell these new guys are not a fit and we have no depth. The core can't do it alone out there and it's been brutal watching Scott. Someone said in a thread a week of so ago on here that we may just have to eat the season and then retinker for next year. I'm starting to get that sense as well cause this is not a good team.

 

[FlaHawkFan]

Sorry but Hammer has not been good this year - 0 pts in 15 games? And -9 overall? He's not hitting and the effort is not there. Some guys can handle the big contract and perform but Hammer has not proven he can yet. And I'm not sure what you're seeing as a positive so far this season - losing 5 out of 7 and being below .500 at home speak volumes to how this team is right now.

Reading comprehension. I agree that Hammer has looked lousy this season. Note I said only that last night was his best game of the season and IMO, it's the only one where he's looked anything remotely like he did last year. And I don't recall saying anything positive about how the team is playing. Reading comprehension. You hasn't it.

 

[Kerfuffle]

Reading comprehension. I agree that Hammer has looked lousy this season. Note I said only that last night was his best game of the season and IMO, it's the only one where he's looked anything remotely like he did last year. And I don't recall saying anything positive about how the team is playing. Reading comprehension. You hasn't it.

Well here's your quote:

FlaHawkFan, on 04 November 2010 - 08:09 AM, said:



Darth Fluff, no player will ever satisfy you. You rarely see the positive in anything. Everything has a dark side. I did see Hammer's play last night as one of the few positive aspects of last night's game, regardless of whether or not he finished enough checks for your taste.



As for Skille, he's fine as a fourth-liner. It's the Hawks' fault that they drafted him thinking he would be more than that. He's now at a salary that's okay for a decent fourth-liner who plays his ass off every game.

My reading is fine. Care to tell us what the positives have been in all these losses?

 

[5Minutes4Fighting]

Someone said in a thread a week of so ago on here that we may just have to eat the season and then retinker for next year. I'm starting to get that sense as well cause this is not a good team.

I strongly disagree. When healthy and playing well, our top 6 F, and top 4 D are the best in the league. Who knows when they snap out of the hangover? It might be next month, or the playoffs, or not until next year.



Maybe they get bounced in the first round and come back next year pissed off with something to prove. Or maybe come spring time, somebody from the core who thought he was untradeable gets traded and that wakes people up. There is no way to predict when "the core" wakes up, but you can't give up and say it won't happen this year because it could.



But thinking ahead, we need cap space to get role players that have some skill, not AHL players and NHL rejects who make the league minimum. Next year we get the bonus penalty back, and there will be a cap increase, and imho you also have to try to free up $7.14 mil in cap space. That alone is enough to get 3-5 decent or good players, to take the place of bums making dishwasher wages.



-5Minutes

 

[R K]

LOL CHAPS!!!!

 

[R K]

Ok, here's the deal. After the Edmonton Oil spill last week i said enough is enough. Been watching the Stanley Cup Hangover shuffle and its getting hard to stomach. I'm thinking just wake me up when the team wakes up. I gave away all my tickets to the game. And I only caught about half of it on the tele. I just really don't enjoy watching this team right now.



And please don't try to convince me of how great this team is, especially by comparing stats. Especially stats like last year's team only had x more goals at this point than this years team, or player y is fine because he has the same numbers as last year after 15 games. that's called masturbation.



There's only one real difference between this year's team and last year's team. Two year' ago, the boys beat up the Flames and Canucks in the playoffs and went to the Conf Finals. They came back last year driven, focused and hungry. They were on a mission. Compare this year's team. I said it before, and I'll say it again, The Hangover is real folks. All we can do is ride it out.



And its silly to say you knew we were going to lose when you saw hendry and scott playing on the same line as F's. They were not a factor in the outcome. But i will say this, with Scott and Hendry playing 3 mins a piece as forwards, its now official. We have a 1st, 2nd and4th line, but we don't have a 3rd line. That's a bummer, eh?



Ok, there are two differences between last year and this year. half the team are the good players from last years team most of whom have the hangover. the other half the team are guys making the league minimum and play like it. when you put the two together, that's a problem.



This team has big time depth problems. But they can only be addressed by getting more cap room. We've got like what 8 or so guys making the minimum on the roster and still at the cap limit. issue to address.



-5Minutes

Pretty hard to have a 3rd line when you have no 3rd line Center. Bolland being out certainly effects more than just "stanley cup hangover"



Easy cop out there Larry.



Lets see 9 players leave the SC team. They bring in 8 new players.



Hossa out

Bolland out

Hammer out 2 games

Kane and Sharp missing a game

Campbell just back now.



I'd say the Hang over is a grasp, while injuries and turn over in roster are the main Culprets. Other than Q being the wild factor. That line caused the first two goals, where the team went down 0-2. How many times do you think this team can come back from a deficite like that and win?



Hang over? I disagree. For the reasons I pointed out above.