TGDT: 12/13 Blackhawks @ Avalanche 8:00PM CSN

[E Runs]

I dont think we will limp into the playoffs. We still have 4 months of hockey to play. The hawks are simply too talented to spend all season not getting it together. They will get it together and sure Detroit might win the division but we'll be 4-6 spot. Hell Detroit could hit a nice slump and we capitalize and win the division still.

2-11 in the West is seperated by 4 points, that's it. The 13th place team is 5 points out of 4th with a game in hand. It's tighter than a Catholic school girl on her Confirmation day. The Hawks better start to seperate themselves (their recent 7-3 over 10 games hasn't done it). if they don't want it to come down to tie breakers and the last week of the season. They will need at least 60 points in the next 50 games. That puts them at 95pts, and even then, it may not be enough. In other words this .500 Jeckyll and Hyde shit has to stop. Soon.



This is not panic, this is the truth.

 

[R K]

2-11 in the West is seperated by 4 points, that's it. The 13th place team is 5 points out of 4th with a game in hand. It's tighter than a Catholic school girl on her Confirmation day. The Hawks better start to seperate themselves (their recent 7-3 over 10 games hasn't done it). if they don't want it to come down to tie breakers and the last week of the season. They will need at least 60 points in the next 50 games. That puts them at 95pts, and even then, it may not be enough. In other words this .500 Jeckyll and Hyde shit has to stop. Soon.



This is not panic, this is the truth.

It might very well come right down to the end. We've been seeing this trend more and more in the Salary Cap era. The parity between teams in both Conferences dictates this. Even the Wings don't have a cushion right now. The Pens have won 12 in a row and are just NOW getting somewhat of a cushion. And that's ONLY because the Caps have lost 6 games in a row or so.



This is exactly what the SC is meant to do. It's working, but sucks for the Hawks because they were stacked.

 

[canucklehead]

Yea but when your team allows those type of "quality shots" you really can't blame the goalie. IF thats the case man Crawford sucked in those last two minutes.



Like I said at some point the FORWARDS need to have puck possession. Last night we really didn't have it.

I agree, the coverage was horrible, but Turco put himself out of position and flubbed a number of the goals he let in. Crawford didn't play long enough to impress, but he wasn't exactly stellar himself. You need goalies to step up and make the big save every once in a while (but you also need your d-men playing better defensively than Mike Green.)

I hated the move to grab Turco, despite his bare bones cap hit. he's had 3 first round exits despite having a strong team in front of him and he's been notorious for softies the past couple seasons. Crawford should be the #1, and I'm not that confident in him either.

 

[R K]

If the team D would improve I wouldn't care what goalie was in there personally. Although I do agree with many the team appears to play more confident in front of Crawford just as they did last year with Niemi.



That said this TEAM hung each goalie out to dry last night. Not Seabrook, Not Keith, Not Hjarlmarsson, but the TEAM!!!! No one individual team member loses a game on his own. At least on 99.9999999999999% of the L's. And that worked last night as well. The only way that works is if IDIOT fans come up with the brain storm. Then all must consider the source.

 

[PatrickShart]

Yeah, Turco was awful in 06'07 playoff exit to VAN...losing in 7games, when he had 3 shutouts, in the 3 DAL wins and a .952 %



Those DAL teams were always offensively challenged. In 03-04...the other 1st round lost, they were 5th in the standings, yet only had 194 goals on the year (9th in the conference)



I think the team is playing better with Crawford in net, and he should get the bulk, but the Defence in front of Turco was brutal. 2 - 2 on 0's (1 scoring)...the passes from behind the net to one-timers in the slot - is ridiculous.

 

[Ton]

Yeah, Turco was awful in 06'07 playoff exit to VAN...losing in 7games, when he had 3 shutouts, in the 3 DAL wins and a .952 %



Those DAL teams were always offensively challenged. In 03-04...the other 1st round lost, they were 5th in the standings, yet only had 194 goals on the year (9th in the conference)



I think the team is playing better with Crawford in net, and he should get the bulk, but the Defence in front of Turco was brutal. 2 - 2 on 0's (1 scoring)...the passes from behind the net to one-timers in the slot - is ridiculous.

Yup. Funny that a Canucks fan is one to talk about shitty goaltending!

 

[supraman]

Again, I agree. He's a leader back there, its no wonder Duncan started playing better when he was paired back with Seabs.



Both are going to have bad games every now and then, its amazing how fickle the fan base is when it comes down to it. Now all of the sudden Seabrook has sucked all year? K...

My problem with the Keith and Seabs pairing is even when they are bad Q just keeps throwing them out there. Last night Cully and I think Boynton should have been promoted to 1st or 2nd pair minutes since they were playing good. Keith and Seabs should have been 3rd pair. Limit their ice when they arent playing well.

 

[supraman]

I agree, the coverage was horrible, but Turco put himself out of position and flubbed a number of the goals he let in. Crawford didn't play long enough to impress, but he wasn't exactly stellar himself. You need goalies to step up and make the big save every once in a while (but you also need your d-men playing better defensively than Mike Green.)

I hated the move to grab Turco, despite his bare bones cap hit. he's had 3 first round exits despite having a strong team in front of him and he's been notorious for softies the past couple seasons. Crawford should be the #1, and I'm not that confident in him either.

Corey had at least 5 big saves in his time in the pipes. while being hung out to dry, what more do you want?

 

[Tater]

Yup. Funny that a Canucks fan is one to talk about shitty goaltending!

LOL

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Yup. Funny that a Canucks fan is one to talk about shitty goaltending!

1.2 Million dollar "shitty goaltending" at that... fuckin "LOUUUUUUUser" fans.

 

[BigPete]

Paul brought up a great point on the last page. The other part of missing experienced stars like Kane and Hossa and even Bolland is that these young guys are not in the right place during D zone clearing attempts or they fumble **** the puck and turn it over. That happened about 30 times last night, no exaggeration.

The only thing I am surprised you are ALL glossing over (save one post) was the HORRIBLE ice surface. That and that caused one of the goals being blamed on Seabs, that and a Turco solo fuckup...

The GWG that Seabs was involved with happened because he was tired as shit. A 2 day 2 city trip, a game in mile high city, and a lot of TOI will have that effect when your third D pairing fucking sucks and has been whittled down to 6 min a night.

For the record, team D sucked, I agree. I just think that isn't the whole story, BY FAR.

 

[Kerfuffle]

Paul brought up a great point on the last page. The other part of missing experienced stars like Kane and Hossa and even Bolland is that these young guys are not in the right place during D zone clearing attempts or they fumble **** the puck and turn it over. That happened about 30 times last night, no exaggeration.

The only thing I am surprised you are ALL glossing over (save one post) was the HORRIBLE ice surface. That and that caused one of the goals being blamed on Seabs, that and a Turco solo fuckup...

The GWG that Seabs was involved with happened because he was tired as shit. A 2 day 2 city trip, a game in mile high city, and a lot of TOI will have that effect when your third D pairing fucking sucks and has been whittled down to 6 min a night.

For the record, team D sucked, I agree. I just think that isn't the whole story, BY FAR.

So Seabrook has no accountability then? We're now blaming the ice surface and that he was tired?!? C'mon man - that's nuts.

 

[BigPete]

So Seabrook has no accountability then? We're now blaming the ice surface and that he was tired?!? C'mon man - that's nuts.

That's reality. And judging from your opinions, you have never played the game and experienced having the puck litterally stop on a dime no matter how fast it was going because a pool of water 'grabbed' it.

As for the GWG where Seabs failed to tie up the player in the slot...yes, he was tired and out of breath and generally exhausted. You try flying across the country, playing one night, flying again, playing in the Mile High City all while playing some of the most TOI on the team, and lets see if you catch that guy dropping into the slot all within about a two second window of opportunity.



There is just no fucking way YOU could pull it off. So take off your scapegoat glasses and give some credence to the extenuating circumstances, or STFU. Your choice. Either way, I am not the only person here who thinks you are fucked (as RK so eloquently put it).



Let's get back to Seabrook; did you not notice how pissed he was at himself? Do you think he is going to repeat that mistake again any time soon? Do you really think Q said, "no biggie Seabs, you were tired"? Of course not, but that isn't my point. My point is that there was a reason why things broke down and it was not Brent Seabrook trying to sabotage our winning effort as your rhetoric suggests.

 

[puckjim]

That's reality. And judging from your opinions, you have never played the game and experienced having the puck litterally stop on a dime no matter how fast it was going because a pool of water 'grabbed' it.

As for the GWG where Seabs failed to tie up the player in the slot...yes, he was tired and out of breath and generally exhausted. You try flying across the country, playing one night, flying again, playing in the Mile High City all while playing some of the most TOI on the team, and lets see if you catch that guy dropping into the slot all within about a two second window of opportunity.



There is just no fucking way YOU could pull it off. So take off your scapegoat glasses and give some credence to the extenuating circumstances, or STFU. Your choice. Either way, I am not the only person here who thinks you are fucked (as RK so eloquently put it).



Let's get back to Seabrook; did you not notice how pissed he was at himself? Do you think he is going to repeat that mistake again any time soon? Do you really think Q said, "no biggie Seabs, you were tired"? Of course not, but that isn't my point. My point is that there was a reason why things broke down and it was not Brent Seabrook trying to sabotage our winning effort as your rhetoric suggests.

Seabrook and Keith both were complete ass in that game.



None of those excuses wash at all. Ice surface? Fatigue? No way. Colorado just got finished with a long road trip, and the Hawks had no game the previous night.



They played like shit defensively as a team for the entire game.



But in this case, Seabrook was the most obvious goat.

 

[bierboy]

Both teams played on the SAME shitty ice....not to blame.

 

[BigPete]

Both teams played on the SAME shitty ice....not to blame.

Right...I'll concede they both gave up 5 goals on that same shitty ice. Too bad none of the Avs goals happened after a puck stopped on its own and a player unwittingly skated past it leading to a 1 on none.



I am not blaming our loss soley on the ice, I NEVER said that. I said the team D sucked and everything the team did in the D zone sucked, offensively or otherwise.



But to ignore the ice surface on the first "Seabrook's fault" goal is really narrowminded and shows an utter lack of respect for the physics involved in playing the game.



Sometimes you guys say shit that makes it sound like these players are out there trying to lose just so they can see you pissed off..........

 

[Pez68]

Right...I'll concede they both gave up 5 goals on that same shitty ice. Too bad none of the Avs goals happened after a puck stopped on its own and a player unwittingly skated past it leading to a 1 on none.



I am not blaming our loss soley on the ice, I NEVER said that. I said the team D sucked and everything the team did in the D zone sucked, offensively or otherwise.



But to ignore the ice surface on the first "Seabrook's fault" goal is really narrowminded and shows an utter lack of respect for the physics involved in playing the game.



Sometimes you guys say shit that makes it sound like these players are out there trying to lose just so they can see you pissed off..........

I'm sorry, but as soon as you take the ice, you know if there are wet spots you need to watch out for. There's no excuse for a professional hockey player to cough up the puck there. Puddle on the ice or not, keep your fucking stick on it and that doesn't happen. He didn't take care of the puck. It was a brain fart, regardless of what you think. The ice also had nothing to do with goals five and six.

 

[R K]

Right...I'll concede they both gave up 5 goals on that same shitty ice. Too bad none of the Avs goals happened after a puck stopped on its own and a player unwittingly skated past it leading to a 1 on none.



I am not blaming our loss soley on the ice, I NEVER said that. I said the team D sucked and everything the team did in the D zone sucked, offensively or otherwise.



But to ignore the ice surface on the first "Seabrook's fault" goal is really narrowminded and shows an utter lack of respect for the physics involved in playing the game.



Sometimes you guys say shit that makes it sound like these players are out there trying to lose just so they can see you pissed off..........

Good post. And Hjarlmarsson was the cause of the tying goal. No one threw him under the Bus yet. Then again most goalies stop a shot taken from just this side of the blue line. Crawford didn't.



Win as a Team, Lose as a team. The ice definitely cause the first GA from Seabrook. The puck stopped instantly. Funny several former players on both NHL on the Fly and our own Steve Konroyd pointed it out.



Even the Avs announcers pointed it out.

 

[R K]

I'm sorry, but as soon as you take the ice, you know if there are wet spots you need to watch out for. There's no excuse for a professional hockey player to cough up the puck there. Puddle on the ice or not, keep your fucking stick on it and that doesn't happen. He didn't take care of the puck. It was a brain fart, regardless of what you think. The ice also had nothing to do with goals five and six.

Goal #5 wasn't Seabrook. He wasn't even on the ice. You know the one that tied the game and gave the Avs instant momentum.

 

[E Runs]

Good post. And Hjarlmarsson was the cause of the tying goal. No one threw him under the Bus yet. Then again most goalies stop a shot taken from just this side of the blue line. Crawford didn't.



Win as a Team, Lose as a team. The ice definitely cause the first GA from Seabrook. The puck stopped instantly. Funny several former players on both NHL on the Fly and our own Steve Konroyd pointed it out.



Even the Avs announcers pointed it out.

How so? Unless I'm confusing clusterfucks it wasn't Hammer who have Fleischmann a mile to shoot.