TGDT: 4/17 WCQF Game 3 - Canucks (2) @ (0) Blackhawks 7:00PM CSN

[PatrickShart]

ok

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Why don't we all just clone Ben Smith? And then kill all of the clones to piss off TCD.

 

[winos5]

I'd rather add a Reasoner or Madden like player than go after a high dollar 2nd line center. Our issue is depth at center, not offense. Would sure cost a lot less.

 

[Pez68]

I'd rather add a Reasoner or Madden like player than go after a high dollar 2nd line center. Our issue is depth at center, not offense. Would sure cost a lot less.

That's the way I'm looking at it too. How much better is this team with Reasoner this season, instead of Dowell? We'll never know.

 

[Tater]

Let's end the misery from last night.

How 'bout the next GDT Stu.



Don't make me start it myself!!

 

[the canadian dream]

Since when wasn't Sharp a second line center? Thought he posted his good numbers this year at that position and was pretty productive with Hossa on his wing. It's become painfully obvious to me Hossa isn't mr I make those around me better....it's vice versa with him at this point in his career.



I don't understand this trade Sharp stuff at all. I know he prefers playing on the wing but it's not as if he doesn't post numbers at center and stops trying when he gets put there. I thought when Sharp came into this league he was a center? Wasn't he? I am honestly asking here not trying to be tongue in cheek.



Anyways...there are more variables to Sharp than just the position he plays or doesn't play or what he wants to play or where he should play. Complete mistake if this team even considered moving him.



Continues to be one of the most under-rated players on this team it appears with some. Sharp > Hossa. Sharp is our 3rd best forward. He is a top forward on many teams in this league def a top 6 on all!! Trade him...go for it..see what it does to the on ice product and the dressing room and all those other variables. He is one of the guys that puts 100% effort into every game he plays. I have said it before if Toews wasn't on this team Sharp would be wearing the C (one could argue Seabs would). Trade him. Have fun with that.



Craziness...any talks about Sharp being moved to upgrade this team is pure craziness...can't believe you would bring it up PMX and I am going to give you heat over it you ding bat!!!

 

[Tater]

Since when wasn't Sharp a second line center? Thought he posted his good numbers this year at that position and was pretty productive with Hossa on his wing. It's become painfully obvious to me Hossa isn't mr I make those around me better....it's vice versa with him at this point in his career.



I don't understand this trade Sharp stuff at all. I know he prefers playing on the wing but it's not as if he doesn't post numbers at center and stops trying when he gets put there. I thought when Sharp came into this league he was a center? Wasn't he? I am honestly asking here not trying to be tongue in cheek.



Anyways...there are more variables to Sharp than just the position he plays or doesn't play or what he wants to play or where he should play. Complete mistake if this team even considered moving him.



Continues to be one of the most under-rated players on this team it appears with some.

Under-rated around the league too I believe.

 

[Pez68]

I agree with TCD 100%. I think Sharp retires a Hawk, personally.

 

[LordKOTL]

...and the depth reason is why I think Sharp being the chip to trade is a mistake unless there is just no other option. If we trade Sharp for what he's worth, player for player, the player we'll be getting back, we couldn't afford--we might as well resign him for what he'd net. For a bunch of players worth what he's worth, not only would we not be able to afford him, but likley, we'd be taking a step back--secially if we had to ditch on in Rockford. And lastly, trading him for prospects or draft pics doesn't help us next year, unless it was a trade to, like Edmonton or a top-3 team for their 1st round pick (someone ready out of Juniors to play right now, like, say, Kane), and even that is a crapshoot.



It's why I'd say you can probably get a depth center for Hammer, and possbly a few other guys. IMHO if we have no other choice, fine, but it has to get very bad to trade one of our 2 proven 30-goal scorers.

 

[winos5]

Chalk the Sharp trade crazy talk up to being down 3 games to the Cafucks. Agreed trading Sharp would be assinine. Stan trades Sharp and he is likely not far from the unemployment line himself.

 

[R K]

With the Crosby and Malkin injuries, I highly doubt Pittsburgh moves Staal. I think he'd be a good fit, and would probably be worth Sharp, but I see no reason for them to trade him. He's 22 and will likely just get better.



Frolik as a top six winger huh? I think that's wishful thinking at this point. To say the least. He's shown nothing in his time here that tells me he is a top six winger on a contender. We have no idea if Morin will be able to jump right into the top six, or if he's just going to be a very good third liner. It will take a season to figure that out. He's also coming off of a concussion like Bolland... Right now, we have Sharp, Kane, and Hossa as top six wingers. You trade Sharp for a second line center, and you're down another LW. I think finding a big LW to play with Toews and Kane improves this team more than moving Sharp for a 2nd line center. Assuming Kruger can actually be a third line center and Bolland is healthy.

But wait, in your other argument last night you wanted him and several more here from the start of the season. Remember "it's been a waste of the season" Discussion. Now you are contradicting this and say "Woaaa he might not be ready"..



Which is it. I'm confused now.





And I still disagree with you. Take Gagner for example. I bet money the oilers would consider a young semi proven D MAN like Hjarlmarsson/Leddy knowing they build from the goal out and already have several YOUNG, good guys.



You don't know what it would take because you are not an NHL GM. Sorry.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Let's trade the Slovak twins and Sharp to Vancouver for the Sedin Twins and Kesler!

 

[PatrickShart]

I don't know how the Hawks will come up with the 6mil to sign him - which he's worth



If this team lacks depth now, paying yet another player 6mil will have more of the 500k's



I think he should be/would be fine as the second line center but whether he doesn't like it or what the case is, why wasn't he being played there if he is a center?



TCD, you ask since when wasn't he a center....I'd say since the majority of this year...bits and parts of last season as well he played wing...



If he's a center, then why hasn't he been playing it this year?

 

[R K]

Chalk the Sharp trade crazy talk up to being down 3 games to the Cafucks. Agreed trading Sharp would be assinine. Stan trades Sharp and he is likely not far from the unemployment line himself.

Hmmmm, That's what it takes to get rid of Stan? Really?



Damnit Winos!!!



I wouldn't trade Sharp either. I completely disagree with Pez on what it would or would not take to get a #2 Center. No way would it take a Kane 70pt plus per season player. Less that GM was a complete dumb ass.

 

[R K]

I don't know how the Hawks will come up with the 6mil to sign him - which he's worth



If this team lacks depth now, paying yet another player 6mil will have more of the 500k's



I think he should be/would be fine as the second line center but whether he doesn't like it or what the case is, why wasn't he being played there if he is a center?



TCD, you ask since when wasn't he a center....I'd say since the majority of this year...bits and parts of last season as well he played wing...



If he's a center, then why hasn't he been playing it this year?

That's the biggest question and one of the reasons Sharp might be in his last year this coming season. Unless he takes a pay cut, he's not staying. No way would they Trade Kane, Toews or Hossa's AWESOME Cap hit, over Sharp.



Not happening.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Hmmmm, That's what it takes to get rid of Stan? Really?



Damnit Winos!!!



I wouldn't trade Sharp either. I completely disagree with Pez on what it would or would not take to get a #2 Center. No way would it take a Kane 70pt plus per season player. Less that GM was a complete dumb ass.

So unless that GM was Glen Sather? lol

 

[R K]

Let's trade the Slovak twins and Sharp to Vancouver for the Sedin Twins and Kesler!

I'd take Kesler in a heart beat on this team. No question.

 

[PatrickShart]

But wait, in your other argument last night you wanted him and several more here from the start of the season. Remember "it's been a waste of the season" Discussion. Now you are contradicting this and say "Woaaa he might not be ready"..



Which is it. I'm confused now.





And I still disagree with you. Take Gagner for example. I bet money the oilers would consider a young semi proven D MAN like Hjarlmarsson/Leddy knowing they build from the goal out and already have several YOUNG, good guys.



You don't know what it would take because you are not an NHL GM. Sorry.

I didn't understand that either. In one thread Morin should have been getting top 6 minutes, then its "who knows" if he'd be able/if he's not ready.



I like Sharp. Realize his importance to the team on the ice and in the locker room. But I'm also realistic that they're not going to be able to move Hossa or Campbell - and buying them out isn't an option. They're still eating Huet next year. Toews and Kane aren't getting moved.



Bolland...coming of a concussion, I'd be shocked if a GM would trade for him in the offseason.



Everybody wants more depth..."this team is soft...why is Kopecky playing center...he sucks. Frolik can't play center ...he's not a top 6...he hasn't shown anything" is all the complaints. Well...who can you move that 1. Has Value 2. Can fill a need



Sharp...Hjarllmarsson are probably the 2 that come to mind. Hjarllmarsson is signed for 3 more years for 3.5mil and is a good shot blocker, not much else. Sharp, will be a UFA at years end, due for a big pay raise. So...yeah...I may not like/agree with wanting him moved, but I could understand if he was and he could fill a pretty big need.

 

[Pez68]

I would trade Hossa to keep Sharp. In a heartbeat.

 

[winos5]

Hmmmm, That's what it takes to get rid of Stan? Really?



Damnit Winos!!!



I wouldn't trade Sharp either. I completely disagree with Pez on what it would or would not take to get a #2 Center. No way would it take a Kane 70pt plus per season player. Less that GM was a complete dumb ass.

I think you could get that bonafide number 2 for a "package" of players/prospects/picks but it would just be more salary cap hell ultimately.