TGDT: WCQF - 4/27 Blues (2) @ Blackhawks (3) 2:00PM NBCSN

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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="The Canadian Dreamalchuk" data-cid="227736" data-time="1398739233">
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Its not about versus.</p>
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Well I didn't see your edit. When you just say "untrue" to me it's saying that their game doesn't pend on puck possession.</p>

 

[PatrickShart]

No...Ryan Kesler would be. But not an option


Handzus is better than Pirri was. Kane was a heavy minus with Pirri and it was turned around pretty quickly once put with Zus


You all say you want them to roll 4 lines...but don't want balance?


The third line has been the issue with this team all year. Not 1, 2 or 4


On this roster? I've got no problem when they start the game with him on the second line. Because I know if they need a goal - he''ll be sat and if protection a lead, he''ll be responsible

 

[Ton]

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="The Canadian Dreamalchuk" data-cid="227739" data-time="1398739677">
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And I must have missed something the last 6 years with the teams that have won the cup.</p>


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Wings</p>


Pens</p>


Hawks</p>


Bruins</p>


Kings</p>


Hawks</p>


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none of those teams had an ounce of physical presence through the grind of the cups. Esp not that first Hawks team with guys like Ladd, Bolland, Burish, Eager, Fraser, Buff, Steeg (yah he actually threw his body around then) to go along with Hammer, Seabs, Keith, etc etc</p>


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not one of those guys played a physical game what so ever.</p>


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that Bruins team and that Kings team were all about puck possession. never needed an ounce of physicality to advance and win a cup.</p>


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siiiiiigh</p>
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Even this year, Bickell 2nd in the league in hits after 1 round. Sharp 2nd on the team with 16 hits.</p>


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Still have Shaw, Seabrook (Brookbank), Bollig as big hitters. Smith may not "hit" but he's physical and grindy.</p>


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Only thing I'm not happy about is the 29 times they were shorthanded. They were playing too dirty, at times.</p>

 

[Ton]

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No...Ryan Kesler would be. But not an option


Handzus is better than Pirri was. Kane was a heavy minus with Pirri and it was turned around pretty quickly once put with Zus


You all say you want them to roll 4 lines...but don't want balance?


The third line has been the issue with this team all year. Not 1, 2 or 4


On this roster? I've got no problem when they start the game with him on the second line. Because I know if they need a goal - he''ll be sat and if protection a lead, he''ll be responsible</p>
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You gotta keep up with who's saying what.</p>


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It's not "you all" as far as I'm concerned.</p>


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They don't start the game with a 1-0 lead, do they? I mean, so technically they aren't protecting much of a lead.</p>


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But I get it. Still not much to complain about. There's always going to be something.</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

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Even this year, Bickell 2nd in the league in hits after 1 round. Sharp 2nd on the team with 16 hits.</p>


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Still have Shaw, Seabrook (Brookbank), Bollig as big hitters. Smith may not "hit" but he's physical and grindy.</p>


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Only thing I'm not happy about is the 29 times they were shorthanded. They were playing too dirty, at times.</p>
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Agree but it was the nature of the series. Lucky the PK was as outstanding as it was also. </p>


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Its going to be a different series in round two against the Wild or Avs. Like pmx said the adjustments will be made. No two series are alike. Q is good at making the adjustments to fit the series sometimes it takes him a bit too long for our tastes as fans but he does make them.</p>


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Will have to adjust to the Avs speed or the Wilds defensive system. Easier for the Hawks to adjust to the defense rather than the speed in my opinion. Thus why I want the Wild but at the same time im never against the tougher challenge in the playoffs either.</p>

 

[Ton]

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Agree but it was the nature of the series. Lucky the PK was as outstanding as it was also. </p>


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Its going to be a different series in round two against the Wild or Avs. Like pmx said the adjustments will be made. No two series are alike. Q is good at making the adjustments to fit the series sometimes it takes him a bit too long for our tastes as fans but he does make them.</p>
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Luckily COL has the worst PP in the playoffs so far, STL was 2nd worst. Not sure the Hawks can last if they faced a team with a real PP. Then again, like you said, hopefully they adjust.</p>

 

[the canadian dream]

Yah and whats forgotten is the other team also has to adjust to the Hawks.</p>


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Hitch didn't do it and really couldnt do it with his roster..not many teams have the tools to do it against the Hawks. That's why it's nice that the Hawks do have a good balance of different player styles and skills. that's what depth is all about its not about depth of goal scorers only. gotta have the depth that creates balance and allows you to adjust. Hawks have it and that is why they have had success the last 6 years.</p>


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See I rip on Saad but the next series against the Avs or Wild? Those are teams that Saad will play better against because they are more suited to his strengths esp the Avs who will open up the game to a more skating game. He has zero strengths against a team like the Blues. </p>

 

[PatrickShart]

Unless Q decides to start Raanta or they make any of the top 7-8 a healthy scratch - coaching won't lose the Hawks a series...to some people's dismay

 

[Pez68]

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Handzus wasn't demoted


He killed 10 min in penalties the first 35 minutes of the game. The game dictated to rotate players/ice time to get more fresh legs involved.</p>
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Did you even watch the last two games? Handzus wasn't demoted? Going from the 2nd line to the 4th line isn't being demoted? Having your ice time cut to around 10 minutes, and ES time cut to less than 5 minutes isn't being demoted? How in the **** was he not demoted? Handzus/Bollig/Versteeg and Handzus/Bollig/Nordstrom were the 4th lines in games 5 and 6. Handzus saw 9:43 in game 5, and 10:33 in game 6. Around 7 minutes ES icetime in game 5, around 4 minutes ES time in game 6. He played more minutes just at ES through the season, than he played in all situations the last two games. There was no rotating players/ice time happening at all. He was fucking demoted, as he rightfully should have been, because he's absolutely useless at ES.</p>


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And, holy shit. Handzus is now responsible for Kane's plus-minus turning around this season? :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling:  I've now heard it all. You mean the same guy who was on the ice for ONE goal that Kane scored all season? Yeah, it was all Handzus. Holy shit man. You can't be serious with these posts.</p>

 

[PatrickShart]

Yeah..just coincidence then


I'll look forward to your pms rant next loss or line rushes at practice not up to coach Pez standards

 

[PatrickShart]

How much pk time in those games?? Do you expect him to play 20 min a game?


You can't be that fucking stupid to think that he''ll kill all those short handed then jump right into regular 5 on 5 rotations.


Keep laughing...that's the joke

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

Who is this olive skinned new guy?!?!?!?!?</p>

 

[Pez68]

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How much pk time in those games?? Do you expect him to play 20 min a game?


You can't be that fucking stupid to think that he''ll kill all those short handed then jump right into regular 5 on 5 rotations.


Keep laughing...that's the joke</p>
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Well, let's see. If he played 9:43 in game 5 with around 7 minutes of ES time, he had about 3 minutes on the PK. If he played 10:33 in game 6 with around 4 minutes of ES time, he had 6 minutes of PK.</p>


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There was no "regular 5 on 5 rotations" that included him, because he was on the 4th line, and they hardly touched the ice(100% agree with Q's decision on that one). They were protecting a lead most of the 3rd, and he had 4 shifts. Two of those were 7 seconds long. The Hawks weren't shorthanded at all that period, so it's not like he was getting rest. He's just useless ES, and Q finally figured it out. He did get that all important final 37 seconds of the game, when they were up 5-1.So there's that.</p>

 

[PatrickShart]

And yet you whine like he plays 25min a game


Like being the whining ***** after game one...wanting Morin in over him. How'd the ok do all series?


Or comparing Oduya to Campoli. Riiiggghhtt


Where's you're little laughing emoticons with that foolish of a statement?


Go get them coach...hopefully Q runs the practice lines by you before the game so you don't get your panties wadded up

 

[Pez68]

I still want to know how a guy whose plus-minus was 0 on the year and did absolutely nothing even strength turned around Kane's +-. Especially since only 8 goals were scored at ES with those two on the ice together the entire year.</p>


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When Pirri was here and playing with Kane from 10-12 through 12-3, he was +6 with 11 points. Handzus from 12-6 through 3-19(Kane's injury).....+0 with 9 points. Pirri also played less than 10 minutes in 5 of those games. Where is the fucking logic here?</p>


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But Handzus is a better option than Pirri for 2nd line center. Ok. The facts certainly don't agree with you, but they rarely do.</p>


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:lol:</p>

 

[Pez68]

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And yet you whine like he plays 25min a game


Like being the whining ***** after game one...wanting Morin in over him. How'd the ok do all series?


Or comparing Oduya to Campoli. Riiiggghhtt


Where's you're little laughing emoticons with that foolish of a statement?


Go get them coach...hopefully Q runs the practice lines by you before the game so you don't get your panties wadded up</p>
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Always good to see how your posting changes once your argument is lost.</p>


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Oduya's horrible turnovers are very Campoli-esque. I stand by that statement 100%.</p>


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Maybe if they had a guy like Morin playing on the 4th line they would be able to give them more than 4 shifts. Blasphemy, I guess.</p>


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It is amazing that the Hawks rattled off 4 straight once Q adjusted the lines. The lines that MANY were bitching about even before the puck dropped in this series. Their best period of the series saw Bollig and Handzus with their asses firmly planted on the bench, where they belong?. Another coincidence I guess?</p>


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Of course, in typical fashion, you'll give him credit for adjusting the lines, but not credit for the horseshit lines or lineup decisions he started the series with. Decisions that VERY WELL could have been the difference in two OT losses. If coaching adjustments can positively impact a series, why the **** can they not negatively impact a series?</p>

 

[PatrickShart]

Obviously Stanley Cup winning coaches and front office see the same thing out of Wayne Pirri to ship his weak ass out of town


And who would you have wanted on the PK when you benched Zus for Morin?? Oh wait..if they gave up a goal on the Ok, it would be Kichen's system that coach Pez dislikes, that's right. His system sucks too...another cup winning coach that is drunk/an idiot. I guess they'll just have to keep winning with out your input...somehow...some way. Even with oduya out there. It's amazing how they continue to do that. Well don't worry, you can fire up the water works soon because I'm sure they won't go 12-0 here on out so load up your vag and get ready for when they lose and write your hearfelt rants on how the meanie coaches cost the team a win

 

[Ton]

I had to +1 both of you for the sheer entertainment value. LOL</p>


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BTW, pmx, does your "P" not work? What's the "Ok"?</p>

 

[Pez68]

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Obviously Stanley Cup winning coaches and front office see the same thing out of Wayne Pirri to ship his weak ass out of town


And who would you have wanted on the PK when you benched Zus for Morin?? Oh wait..if they gave up a goal on the Ok, it would be Kichen's system that coach Pez dislikes, that's right. His system sucks too...another cup winning coach that is drunk/an idiot. I guess they'll just have to keep winning with out your input...somehow...some way. Even with oduya out there. It's amazing how they continue to do that. Well don't worry, you can fire up the water works soon because I'm sure they won't go 12-0 here on out so load up your vag and get ready for when they lose and write your hearfelt rants on how the meanie coaches cost the team a win</p>
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Shipping Pirri out has less to do with Pirri, and more to do with the kid who he has zero chance of beating out for that 2nd line center spot. He's top six or bust, and they are banking everything on Teuvo being the 2C of the future. Simply put, there's no room for him after this season in the top six, and they maximized value when they could. Still doesn't change the fact that he's a better option that Handzus. :lol:</p>


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Who plays the PK? Maybe someone that can win a faceoff, for starters... Or is 34% in the circles on the PK something the Hawks sorely need? Handzus contributes on the PK with his selling out to block shots, but to act like he's irreplaceable is fucking nonsense. Just as irreplaceable as Frolik I imagine.... Smith, Sharp, and Shaw are all pretty capable of killing penalties and have done so with success.</p>


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But let's continue to agree with absolutely EVERYTHING this coaching staff does because they've won Stanley Cups. I mean, how do Stanley Cup winning coaches EVER lose and get fired when they are right 100% of the time?</p>

 

[PatrickShart]

Right. They lost games one and two because of horseshit lines


Schwartz scoring with 1:45 to tie. Pathetic line out there


And what the **** was he doing with Toews and Hossa on the ice with 6 seconds left??


Coach Pez does not approve


And Oduya = Campoli proves how much you know


Only people I know that cry about coaches...are people that think coaches screwed them their whole lives when they simply weren't good enough. So stand by the Pirri's and Morin's out there that get screwed by the ones that continue to succeed and win. It's not a coincidence