The argument for Fields NOT being "Elite" and keeping him anyway.

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Well for starters beef up that offensive line for sure!
 

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If Caleb Williams takes 3 years to get a 300-yard game, yeah, it will probably mean he’s not the guy.

If Caleb Williams can’t touch Mitch Trubisky’s passing stats 3 years into his career, yeah, it will probably mean he’s not the guy.


Even though I don’t think Fields will ever be a great passer, I’m ok with whatever the next coach and/or GM want to do. But for those hell-bent on keeping Fields, what are you so afraid of losing? Fields isn’t some hyper-valuable gem you’re letting walk out of Halas Hall.
Trubisky > Fields at passing. That's not a credit to Trubisky.
 

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Been in and out of meetings today, but just wanted to come back to the volume conversation, as I agree it was kind of bizarre last year that he didn't have any games with more than 28 pass attempts. But he did have 4 games in his rookie season and 5 so far this year with at least 29 attempts.

His numbers in those games are actually a better than his career averages:
193 of 300 (64.3%), 2,245 yards (7.5/attempt), 14 TDs, 10 INTs, 88.5 rating

Just isolating the 5 games from this year, it's:
110 of 167 (65.9%), 1,261 yards (7.6/attempt), 10 TDs, 4 INTs, 98.4 rating

He's been averaging 30.3 attempts per game this year when he's started and finished the game, which would have been ~12th in the league for attempts last year, and they've still been converting 43% of third downs which is good for 9th in the league, so despite the drive killers like sacks and penalties which definitely need to improve, it's trending toward a more normal (albeit frustrating and streaky) NFL offense.

You ommited the other glaring wart from the games you isolated, fumbles.
9 games, A dozen fumbles, 8 lost. One lost per game.

For comparison, hurts has 7 lost fumbles in 26 games with your 29 attempt benchmark. Less than one every 3 games.

Allen has 21 out of 60..a touch over 1 every 3 games.

Tua has 6 in 29 games, almost one every 5 games.

Jackson has 8 out of 31.

Herbert has 6 out of 57.



His penchant for fumbling also factors in to the play calling and results.


I watched years of cherry picking numbers and stats for grossman and cutty, overlooking the glaring faults that never went away.

Parsing his stats like you have in your post to 9 games out of 3 years with his best possible performance against the worst possible opponents results in 2 turnovers per game.

He has fumbled 35 times in 35 games, he has 27 interceptions.

His production on the good side of things is pitiful in comparison.
36 passing touchdowns in 35 games, plus 11 rushing.


Compare that to hurts, a decent qb that fumbles more than average... he has 36 fumbles with 10 lost with 37 rushing touchdowns.
His fumbling is a lot more than you would like to see, but at least each fumble is offset by a td.


Bottom line is fields' net passing production is that of a low level game manager, but he doesn't have the positives of a game manager, namely the lack of turnovers.
9 of 35 starts have been turnover free, and of those 9 games, 2 had 6 completions or less.
The record of those games were 2-7.

That is non functional.
 

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... as for keeping such a turnover machine for whatever reason... how long do you think a good wr is going to want to stay on the team?
What development opportunities for the rest of the team are you willing to waste in order to coddle someone who isn't the answer?

There are 21 other starters that deserve development opportunities as well.
 

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Its almost as if MJY os paid to shill for Fields on CCS. Anything positive gets posted by him.

No, its more almost like every once in a while, MJY knows what to post to get certain people to expose themselves in terms of what side of the fence they are on. :smug2:
 

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