The Beatles Appreciation Thread

[Omeletpants]

The Beatles still suck and your leased Audi is a piece of shit.

Punk *****.

Proof cousins should never marry

 

[Globetrotter]

Proof cousins should never marry

Beatles < Carly Rae Jepsen

 

[Tjodalv]

Considering not one of you made a thoughtful response to what I wrote I consider it a pearls at swine scenario. Not worth my time.

If you want to join the McCartney is the modern day Mozart discussion that has been going on for the past 50 years there is plenty of dicussion on the internet about this concept. After all, they have only been talking about it for 50 years.

Finally, to the moron that said the Beatles are bubblgum I have this to say: Fukin Idiot

So basically you're just going to make a series of blanket statements and then refuse to back them up with any sort of cogent argument? You can't point out a single aspect of their music that was revolutionary? You're not going to offer up any sort of evidence that "McCartney is the modern Mozart?" Way to go man.

 

[Omeletpants]

So basically you're just going to make a series of blanket statements and then refuse to back them up with any sort of cogent argument? You can't point out a single aspect of their music that was revolutionary? You're not going to offer up any sort of evidence that "McCartney is the modern Mozart?" Way to go man.

Are you paying attention? I said McCartney invented heavy metal. I said he revolutionized the way bass was played, I told you they invented the concept album, they raised the standard on the number of quality songs released in sequence and put on albums which forced other artists to work much harder on their songs. Did you even read what I posted before? Wake up.

 

[Stapler]

Proof cousins should never marry

 

[Crystallas]

They did?

Well poo on everyone else then. Apparently the Beatles invented music too.

 

[Tjodalv]

Are you paying attention? I said McCartney invented heavy metal. I said he revolutionized the way bass was played, I told you they invented the concept album, they raised the standard on the number of quality songs released in sequence and put on albums which forced other artists to work much harder on their songs. Did you even read what I posted before? Wake up.

MUSICAL aspects. I listed what comprises music: melody, harmony, rhythm, form, system; yet you addressed none of those things but rather spewed generalities (and just did again). HOW did he invent metal? HOW did he revolutionize bass playing. What MUSICAL aspects were revolutionary? HOW is he anything like Mozart?

If you can't, or don't want to, answer just say so rather than repeating statements without supplying any proof or specific supporting arguments.

 

[Crystallas]

Before you mislead anyone into actually believing any of this, let me add some fact, and show you how "Burden of Proof" works, when you start making claims(yes, you have to back them up.)

I said McCartney invented heavy metal.

If you mean "Heavy Metal" by the barest criteria, well then Ray Davies(and his band, the Kinks) was first to create a commercial Heavy Metal song, and Les Paul *invented* the sound/style itself.

The Beatles claimed that "Ticket to Ride" was the first Heavy Metal song, released in 1965. However if you really want to get serious about early heavy metal, then the Kinks, "You Really Got Me" was much heavier, more influential to the Heavy Metal genre, and was released in 1964. Not to mention, that "You really Got Me" is a heck of a lot heavier.

[video=youtube;YjdgijpgOl4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjdgijpgOl4[/video]

:smh:

I said he revolutionized the way bass was played,

Subjective, you're entitled.

I told you they invented the concept album

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concept_album

they raised the standard on the number of quality songs released in sequence and put on albums which forced other artists to work much harder on their songs.

On a whole era of Jazz musicians that existed before the Beatles hit puberty.

 

[Omeletpants]

very clever unlike the rest of these clowns

 

[Stapler]

Thank you sir.

He's the most famous result of cousin ******* I could think of off the top of my head.

The fact that he's actually met all The Beatles was really just a bonus.

Edit; just a theory, and I can't back this up with any paperwork...John actually wrote 'Imagine' about Prince Charles.

 

[Capt. Serious]

That's all very interesting. The music still sucks.

I'm glad you typed all that out though. It's funny how nearly all Beatles fans get all worked up.

The Beatles suck? Wow, you sir, are a clown.

 

[Tjodalv]

very clever unlike the rest of these clowns

Those are all very well thought out and articulated points addressing the topic at hand. You must be some sort of scholar to be able to argue your point of view so well.

 

[JosMin]

I don't feel like getting into some "theoretical" dick swinging contest with people who think because they understand harmony and can fashion some argument that reinforces their point by selecting quotes or YouTube videos that "prove their point" -- but most people who "have a knowledge of music" will universally agree that the Beatles and their production team, chiefly George Martin and Phil Spector's production on Let It Be, had a huge influence on the way LPs and individual tracks were recorded and mastered. They're commonly credited to inventing or popularizing a wide variety of techniques -- artificial double tracking, backed masking, tuned feedback, distortion, spliced audio loops, overdubbing, and several others.

Their impact on music isn't simply confined to how they wrote music -- essentially everything they did had a lasting effect on the evolution of rock and roll music. Name anything they did -- it changed something. If it wasn't the case, contemporary artists wouldn't be listing them at the top of their influences.

 

[HeHateMe]

I like the beach boys.

 

[malcore]

I like the beach boys.

So did the Beatles.

 

[LanceStone]

[video=youtube;fYTg97F8VDU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYTg97F8VDU[/video]

 

[Tjodalv]

They're commonly credited to inventing or popularizing a wide variety of techniques -- artificial double tracking, backed masking, tuned feedback, distortion, spliced audio loops, overdubbing, and several others.

Their impact on music isn't simply confined to how they wrote music -- essentially everything they did had a lasting effect on the evolution of rock and roll music. Name anything they did -- it changed something. If it wasn't the case, contemporary artists wouldn't be listing them at the top of their influences.

Influence isn't the issue, no one is saying that they weren't/aren't influential. I've simply been asking what exactly it was that they did that was so innovative/revolutionary; and as of yet no one can find anything (or refuse to answer).

They may spuriously be credited with inventing some of those recording techniques, but all of those had be around for decades before they started their careers. Double tracking/overdubbing has been around since the 20s. Splicing/looping was created by members of the Music Concrète movement in the 40s. Distortion? Done by a shit ton of blues guitarists in the late 40s/early 50s on. The idea of backmasking has been around since recording technology and was also utilized heavily by Music Concrète composers. Knowledge of electronic "tuned feedback" lead to the invention of oscillators and the Telharmonium in the late 1890s, so that was something that every studio technician had been aware of for a long time.

I'm not saying they didn't have a hand in popularizing many of these things, but they didn't invent any of them.

 

[Crystallas]

I'm with Tjodalv here.

But I want to be careful when I say that I'm not here to criticize the Beatles. I LIKE the Beatles a lot(although I also admit, not one of my all-time favorites). If I criticize anything here, it's the automatic pedestal they're placed on. I feel the same way about U2. I like U2 a ton, saw them in concert twice, but I'll criticize them all day for getting the first-round bye.

 

[Omeletpants]

Pedestals tend to be there for a reason.

-When virtually every great rock star after them attributes them as their influence there is a reason
-When Sinatra calls one of their songs the greatest ever written there is a reason
-When Hendrix is performing your entire album live 3 days after release there is a reason
-When you set record sales and are still a dominant sales force 50 years later there is a reason
-When some of the greatest musicians in CA listen to your record for 48 hours straight on it's release holed up in a hotel room there is a reason
-When you are the most covered band in history and one of your songs has been recorded more than 2000 times there is a reason
-When you have as much cultural influence that's why they put you on a pedestal

 

[nwfisch]

Pedestals tend to be there for a reason.

-When virtually every great rock star after them attributes them as their influence there is a reason
-When Sinatra calls one of their songs the greatest ever written there is a reason
-When Hendrix is performing your entire album live 3 days after release there is a reason
-When you set record sales and are still a dominant sales force 50 years later there is a reason
-When some of the greatest musicians in CA listen to your record for 48 hours straight on it's release holed up in a hotel room there is a reason
-When you are the most covered band in history and one of your songs has been recorded more than 2000 times there is a reason
-When you have as much cultural influence that's why they put you on a pedestal

What song is that?