The Case for Calvin Ridley -- WR Alabama

[Bearin' Down]

I'll get flamed for this I'm sure, but Ridley reminds me A TON of Marvin Harrison. Best pure route runner I have seen in quite some time.

I like the comparison. I said Reggie Wayne, but I think yours is more appropriate.

 

[Bearin' Down]

I have wondered I’d Marvin Harrison would have been Marvin Harrison without P. manning throwing the ball to Marvin Harrison.

Hmm... If only he played three years befoee peyton joined the NFL and we could use that as a barometer...

 

[Myk]

Ridley in Round 2 = Good pick.

Ridley in Late Round 1 after a trade down = Not bad.

Ridley at #8? No, thanks.

Not at all saying he won't be a good WR. But at #8 I would pass to focus on other needs. Don't overpay draft-wise due to need. If you overpay in $ in FA, it doesn't hurt you. But you can't draft this guy at #8.

How does reaching hurt when you have no guarantee how any player is going to do in the NFL and you didn't pay anything for the pick?
What hurts is getting a player you have no need for. Did a collection of LBs help Lovie? How about our pile of TEs this year?
Say you could know the outcome of the players. What helps the team more, a RB worthy of 8 or a WR worthy of 20 taken at 8?

And putting yourself into cap hell in FA absolutely does hurt.

 

[Luke]

Trying to predict who is worth what and what is a reach or a good value was basically thrown out the door in last years draft. I won't even touch on how teams supposedly reached for QB's because I was also in the camp that thought the Bears wouldn't take a QB at #3. The WR's were also over drafted according to the pundits. Fact is, teams will reach when they are desperate for a position of need.

Davis went 5, DJ had16, Mayock had 21, Casserly had 13
Williams went 7, DJ had 5, Mayock had 14, Casserly had 5
Ross went 9, Mayock had 12, Casserly had 14


http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/mock-drafts

 

[rawdawg]

Trying to predict who is worth what and what is a reach or a good value was basically thrown out the door in last years draft. I won't even touch on how teams supposedly reached for QB's because I was also in the camp that thought the Bears wouldn't take a QB at #3. The WR's were also over drafted according to the pundits. Fact is, teams will reach when they are desperate for a position of need.

Davis went 5, DJ had16, Mayock had 21, Casserly had 13
Williams went 7, DJ had 5, Mayock had 14, Casserly had 5
Ross went 9, Mayock had 12, Casserly had 14


http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/mock-drafts

None of those teams were the Bears, though. Pace has shown he will not reach. Regardless of what people think, Trubisky was NOT a reach. Pace has even shown he will not go into the draft with a glaring position of need. By the time the draft comes, there won't be a spot where the Bears are absolutely desperate for a starter. Look at his 1st round picks so far.

Trubisky- he had Glennon as the starter at QB
Floyd- he had Young, Houston and McPhee at OLB
White- he had Alshon and Royal as the starting WRs

The Bears will have at least a replacement player at each position before the draft. I believe it's so A) the Bears can get by if they can't pick a starting caliber player at any given position and B) so teams can't go into the draft knowing the Bears need to pick a certain position, which sets them up to have teams trade up in front of them to get their guy.

 

[jtreal3]

One thing in the previous drafts that Pace has shown is that he will prioritise freak physical talent - Kevin White, Leonard Floyd and even Trubisky somewhat by QB standards.

Ridley is a good but not great athlete with a smaller frame. Doesn't fit the bill.

freak physical talent...Trubisky!? lmfao damn, I know he's our QB, but lets be real

 

[Luke]

None of those teams were the Bears, though. Pace has shown he will not reach. Regardless of what people think, Trubisky was NOT a reach. Pace has even shown he will not go into the draft with a glaring position of need. By the time the draft comes, there won't be a spot where the Bears are absolutely desperate for a starter. Look at his 1st round picks so far.

Trubisky- he had Glennon as the starter at QB
Floyd- he had Young, Houston and McPhee at OLB
White- he had Alshon and Royal as the starting WRs

The Bears will have at least a replacement player at each position before the draft. I believe it's so A) the Bears can get by if they can't pick a starting caliber player at any given position and B) so teams can't go into the draft knowing the Bears need to pick a certain position, which sets them up to have teams trade up in front of them to get their guy.

He has to have a replacement at WR as I believe only White is under contract and Meredith is a rfa so he will minimally need to sign a few receivers. The question is, how good will they be. Will they outbid other teams for Richardson at a near Glennon esque type over pay and how good is he really? Now I'm not saying they are going to take CR but its definitely not out of the question. He has already beaten Cooper in the 40 who ran between 4.35 and 4.38 at the combine. Say he measures out at his listed 6'1, 190 runs a 4.3 and kills all of the drills. Its not very hard to imagine that he becomes a top 10 pick.

Video created the confusion, a simulcam that showed Amari Cooper and Kevin White running their 40-yard dashes from the NFL Scouting Combine at the same time.

While Alabama's Cooper and West Virginia's White were neck and neck throughout the run, White's time (4.35) was significantly faster than the one released for Cooper (4.42).

A report Sunday cleared up the confusion.

NFL teams were informed that the time released for Cooper was incorrect and that the former Alabama wide receiver's actual time was between 4.35 and 4.38 seconds, according to Yahoo!.

 

[TL1961]

How does reaching hurt when you have no guarantee how any player is going to do in the NFL and you didn't pay anything for the pick?
What hurts is getting a player you have no need for. Did a collection of LBs help Lovie? How about our pile of TEs this year?
Say you could know the outcome of the players. What helps the team more, a RB worthy of 8 or a WR worthy of 20 taken at 8?

And putting yourself into cap hell in FA absolutely does hurt.

"didn't pay anything for the pick"?

The picks cost seasons. Time is more scarce than money. One cannot buy more picks.

 

[rawdawg]

He has to have a replacement at WR as I believe only White is under contract and Meredith is a rfa so he will minimally need to sign a few receivers. The question is, how good will they be. Will they outbid other teams for Richardson at a near Glennon esque type over pay and how good is he really? Now I'm not saying they are going to take CR but its definitely not out of the question. He has already beaten Cooper in the 40 who ran between 4.35 and 4.38 at the combine. Say he measures out at his listed 6'1, 190 runs a 4.3 and kills all of the drills. Its not very hard to imagine that he becomes a top 10 pick.

Video created the confusion, a simulcam that showed Amari Cooper and Kevin White running their 40-yard dashes from the NFL Scouting Combine at the same time.

While Alabama's Cooper and West Virginia's White were neck and neck throughout the run, White's time (4.35) was significantly faster than the one released for Cooper (4.42).

A report Sunday cleared up the confusion.

NFL teams were informed that the time released for Cooper was incorrect and that the former Alabama wide receiver's actual time was between 4.35 and 4.38 seconds, according to Yahoo!.

That's what I'm saying, he will have replacement level WRs. Meredith will be back. He will sign at least 2 FAs, and I'd imagine one of Wright, Inman or Bellamy. I'm starting to warm up to the idea of Ridley at 8. I don't think Pace will draft him at 8, but he certainly could. My point is, I don't think the Bears are going to go into draft day with the entire league saying, "oh they HAVE to take the top WR on the board because they have nothing there". Nobody in the league knew the Bears were taking Trubisky even when they were trading up, because of Mike freaking Glennon.

 

[rawdawg]

As for Ridley with the 8th pick, it's funny we're seeing Ridley compared to Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, potentially better than Amari Cooper....I think he reminds me of a young Chad Ochocinco Johnson. You're talking about a pair of Hall of Fame WRs and a couple guys good for 80 catches 1100 yards in their prime (Cooper did it in 2016 and will get back there). Is that not worth the 8th pick if you're getting that type of production? That's a legit #1 WR if he's anything like those comparisons.

 

[peanut33tillman]

Also, Ridley wants to come here too. Him and Eddie Jackson are close. I’m sure he’d work hard and be a great part of the culture moving forward. Seems like a perfect player for Nagy, could be our tyreek Hill.

I believe Ridley is a Bears fan too. Responded last year on twitter when We selected Jackson “Bears come get ya boy also.” Then someone asked him about it and he said he was a Bears fan. I thought that was pretty cool.

 

[iffybiz]

I like Ridley but I don’t see him as worth the 8th pick. I don’t think Wayne is a good comp but Wayne wasn’t taken top ten either.
After a trade down? Definitely.
Ideally, they trade down and pick up a pass rusher and WR.


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[rawdawg]

I like Ridley but I don’t see him as worth the 8th pick. I don’t think Wayne is a good comp but Wayne wasn’t taken top ten either.
After a trade down? Definitely.
Ideally, they trade down and pick up a pass rusher and WR.


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But if he is at all Reggie Wayne like, he'd be worth a top 10 pick. Wayne didn't go top 10, but he'd certainly go top 10 (probably top 3) in his class if every team knew he would have that type of career.

 

[Myk]

"didn't pay anything for the pick"?

The picks cost seasons. Time is more scarce than money. One cannot buy more picks.

So you were handed 7 picks with the passage of time. Didn't cost anything no matter how you try to rationalize it.

Funny "don't reach draft that player you want later" is the same as saying don't draft get the player you want as an UDFA. Why wouldn't that be a good plan? Because most of the good players were picked in the draft maybe? The same apply to the rounds. You only know if it was a reach long after the fact.

 

[Wild_x_Card]

But if he is at all Reggie Wayne like, he'd be worth a top 10 pick. Wayne didn't go top 10, but he'd certainly go top 10 (probably top 3) in his class if every team knew he would have that type of career.

I don't see Wayne with him. He consistently made the extraordinary look ordinary when catching the ball.

 

[Luke]

I was just reading CR's tweet to declare for the draft. Pretty classy and mature dude, no prima donna here.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...calvin-ridley-intends-to-enter-2018-nfl-draft

Here is a good piece on him embedded in the middle of the article - good read.

http://www.nfl.com/labs/cfb247/calvin-ridley/calvin-ridley

 

[TL1961]

I believe Ridley is a Bears fan too. Responded last year on twitter when We selected Jackson “Bears come get ya boy also.” Then someone asked him about it and he said he was a Bears fan. I thought that was pretty cool.

Which team Ridley is a fan of is a complete nonfactor.

 

[BNB]

But if he is at all Reggie Wayne like, he'd be worth a top 10 pick. Wayne didn't go top 10, but he'd certainly go top 10 (probably top 3) in his class if every team knew he would have that type of career.

Agreed. Just because an all-time great wasn't drafted high doesn't mean he wasn't worth going high.

That would be like a team saying, "This guy really reminds me of Russell Wilson... but Wilson wasn't drafted until the 3rd round, so let's wait."

 

[TL1961]

So you were handed 7 picks with the passage of time. Didn't cost anything no matter how you try to rationalize it.

Funny "don't reach draft that player you want later" is the same as saying don't draft get the player you want as an UDFA. Why wouldn't that be a good plan? Because most of the good players were picked in the draft maybe? The same apply to the rounds. You only know if it was a reach long after the fact.

My point is this: Spending too much on a player with draft picks hurts more spending more $ in FA. Unless you're over the cap, money is available to you. Picks are not.

I have no idea what that last paragraph is intended to say, except to say the last sentence better not be true. There are guys who play better than expected, and guys who will play worse, but as a rule, if you are a GM, you had better have a very good idea of what it will cost in terms of a draft pick, to get a certain player.

If you are using first or second round picks on a player that is expected to be available in Round 5, you're not prepared for the draft.

 

[Myk]

My point is this: Spending too much on a player with draft picks hurts more spending more $ in FA. Unless you're over the cap, money is available to you. Picks are not.

I have no idea what that last paragraph is intended to say, except to say the last sentence better not be true. There are guys who play better than expected, and guys who will play worse, but as a rule, if you are a GM, you had better have a very good idea of what it will cost in terms of a draft pick, to get a certain player.

If you are using first or second round picks on a player that is expected to be available in Round 5, you're not prepared for the draft.

It's simple, White was probably worth his position, but it didn't end up that way. You don't know until after the fact. Maybe this year he plays great and goes on to have an injury free career. I doubt it but if he does

Benson really hurt us because not only did he suck his pre-maddona attitude caused us to get rid of a better RB. Had we got Rodgers instead of Benson he may not have become who he is. But even if he did under your plan he would've been a reach. Pick Tom Brady as #1 that's a huge reach.
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