The Front Office And Ownership Thread

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but but but but you willzz seeez! The prospectszzz are teh mastersz planz.


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I know I'm curious.

What will these slurpers do when they find out that not every prospect will make it and these kids bust?

I'm going with popular answer A) which is blame Hendry. Its always his fault the cubs are terrible under Theo....
 

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Not a Cubs fan so I don't really know what is going on these past couple of years. What is the consensus by some of you guys in the direction the team has taken since Theo came into town. This team will continue to be losers or you see us contending within 5 years?

There isn't a glimpse of evidence that tells me this team will contend within 5 years. I see 2 lottery ticket bats making it (Baez and Bryant) but no pitching.

Two hitters, no matter how good, don't make you a contender. Ask Larry Walker and Todd Helton why not from 1995-2004.
 

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There isn't a glimpse of evidence that tells me this team will contend within 5 years. I see 2 lottery ticket bats making it (Baez and Bryant) but no pitching.

Two hitters, no matter how good, don't make you a contender. Ask Larry Walker and Todd Helton why not from 1995-2004.

Doesn't really sound like effective "rebuilding" lol
 

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I know I'm curious.

What will these slurpers do when they find out that not every prospect will make it and these kids bust?

I'm going with popular answer A) which is blame Hendry. Its always his fault the cubs are terrible under Theo....

No cub fan will ever blame theo until he wears a different uniform.


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this rooftop shit is becoming way out of control. its too bad 80% of the cubs purchase was financed. a mark cuban like owner would have made a deal, stuck with the remainder of the contract, or bought the rooftops out. this is an owner with either bad decision making skills or advisors that are off their rocker. fix this now so i dont have to hear about this everyday on the score. id rather hear fans call in stating castro is the next hanley than listen about the roof tops


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I think the only way to get these roof tops attention is to just flat out say we are going to move
 

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I think the only way to get these roof tops attention is to just flat out say we are going to move

but they would know its a bluff when property around wrigley has been already purchased.


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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/02/central-notes-cubs-draft-brewers-indians-sox.html

Central Notes: Cubs' Draft, Brewers, Indians, Sox
By Aaron Steen [February 15, 2014 at 8:03pm CST]

The Cubs intend to stock their minor league system with pitching in the upcoming draft, though President Theo Epstein indicated this week that the club may not target an arm with its first-round pick, Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune reports. If the Cubs opt against taking a pitcher with the fourth overall selection, North Carolina State shortstop Trea Turner is one possibility, according to Gonzales.
 

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http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/02/central-notes-cubs-draft-brewers-indians-sox.html

Central Notes: Cubs' Draft, Brewers, Indians, Sox
By Aaron Steen [February 15, 2014 at 8:03pm CST]

The Cubs intend to stock their minor league system with pitching in the upcoming draft, though President Theo Epstein indicated this week that the club may not target an arm with its first-round pick, Mark Gonzales of the Chicago Tribune reports. If the Cubs opt against taking a pitcher with the fourth overall selection, North Carolina State shortstop Trea Turner is one possibility, according to Gonzales.

Cubs been doing this for past 2 yrs. They like taking best position player in 1st RD then load up with pitching after that pick.
 

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With dempster retiring the PR dept will be all over bringing this loveable (i didnt start a game in the ws) guy into the cubs front office....at the least he will be singing the 7th inning stretch.


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No cub fan will ever blame theo until he wears a different uniform.


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you must be reading a different Cubs forum.
 

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fine. not all here. majority? yes.


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I'd suggest those who think Theo is doing a good job are in the vast minority. I personally don't see there's much else they could have done but that's hardly putting heaps of praise on him. Even casual fans who wouldn't post on a message board ***** about him because they aren't the 2000's red sox yet.
 

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dont know how you can ***** too much about what Epstein has done.. he had to reduce payroll by 40 mil plus and find players willing to take 1-2 yr deals for little money to field a team.. he also had to rebuild a poor farm system, which he has done a pretty good job at.
baseball people, GMs, etc. all applaud what he has done with the resources he been given. . yet a few knuckleheads want to constantly berate him for not bringing in players he couldn't bring in cause of the lack of payroll he was given.

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dont know how you can ***** too much about what Epstein has done.. he had to reduce payroll by 40 mil plus and find players willing to take 1-2 yr deals for little money to field a team.. he also had to rebuild a poor farm system, which he has done a pretty good job at.
baseball people, GMs, etc. all applaud what he has done with the resources he been given. . yet a few knuckleheads want to constantly berate him for not bringing in players he couldn't bring in cause of the lack of payroll he was given.

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and theres a defender so quick to back theo. :rolleyes:


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and theres a defender so quick to back theo. :rolleyes:


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its not about defending him..
he been given very limited resources because of the lack of payroll he has. .that a fact.
has he made 100% of the best moves he could make on personal he brought in? no..
but for the most part he has made some good moves with what he had available to him, especially with the minors..

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I mean frankly it will be his draft picks and trades that ultimately matter. The Red Sox didn't win a World Series because they signed Carl Crawford. They won a world series because they were able to trade of Schilling as well as bring in multiple core pieces from their farm system(Ellsbury, Lester, Bucholtz, Pedroia...etc). I'm pragmatic about the whole thing. They supposedly spent all the money they had the past 2 years. I have no reason to believe that isn't the truth. Whether or not they should have more money to spend as a big market team is fairly irrelevant.

If I had a legitimate complaint it would be what they've gotten back in trades has often been too far away from the majors. I would have liked to seen them in on someone like Fister and Dexter Fowler. Their A level players last year were quite good but realistically you're looking at 2 years before those are ready for the majors at the earliest. As such, they are sort of in this weird position where they don't want to be a complete sell off because they need averagish players around when bigger stars come up to make them a half way respectable team but at the same time they aren't going to be good enough to legitimately contend for the playoffs for 1-2 years. That's how you end up with guys like Bonifacio. He should be an average-ish player but there is some potential there if he plays up to his 2011 level.

Ultimately, that was the biggest regret from the Hendry regime for me. It's great he drafted guys like Baez and Alcantara. But the talent in AA/AAA when Theo and company took over just hasn't been very good. Whether that's fair or not to him is inconsequential to me really because thus far what they've pulled out of the minors the past 2 years has been pretty slim pickings. You're talking about Castillo, Lake, Valbenuna, and I guess just Rusin unless I'm missing someone. And since the Theo regime has been unwilling/unable to trade for pieces closer to the MLB level you've end up with some fairly bad teams.
 

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dont know how you can ***** too much about what Epstein has done.. he had to reduce payroll by 40 mil plus and find players willing to take 1-2 yr deals for little money to field a team.. he also had to rebuild a poor farm system, which he has done a pretty good job at.
baseball people, GMs, etc. all applaud what he has done with the resources he been given. . yet a few knuckleheads want to constantly berate him for not bringing in players he couldn't bring in cause of the lack of payroll he was given.

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I mean why would anyone ***** about the moves that have produced the worst two season stretch in team history?

The farm system wasn't near as poor as the fapfest tries to make it out to be.
 

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its not about defending him..
he been given very limited resources because of the lack of payroll he has. .that a fact.
has he made 100% of the best moves he could make on personal he brought in? no..
but for the most part he has made some good moves with what he had available to him, especially with the minors..

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Lack of payroll he has been given? Who knows what that is?

The one thing they have stated in the past is when they need the money, it will be there.

They are the largest market team in the NL Central and one of the highest profitable teams to boot, and are currently only ahead of the Pirates in payroll.

Quit thinking that they need a Jumbotron to sign players because they don't.
 

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Lack of payroll he has been given? Who knows what that is?

The one thing they have stated in the past is when they need the money, it will be there.

They are the largest market team in the NL Central and one of the highest profitable teams to boot, and are currently only ahead of the Pirates in payroll.

Quit thinking that they need a Jumbotron to sign players because they don't.
I think it is a legitimate question to ask who, or what as has been hinted in several places in the media, has limited major league payroll the previous seasons. The answer to that question should certainly reflect in our analysis of the job of the front office. I am also not certain that we will ever have the complete truth on that matter.
 

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