The John McDonough Appreciation thread

[PatrickSharpRules]

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I know McD obviously has a say, but in control? If he's in total control and the Hawks win it this year I'll turn in my fan card til he's gone.[/quote]



Who has the cojones to say no to him?[/quote]No one that counts. And how great must it be to be Rocky, knowing full well what's going on but yet be completely shielded from it. And you can't say that he doesn't because he wouldn't be the businessman he is today if he didn't know what was going on at all times.[/quote]



I don't know about that, his dad was worth over 500 million.....

 

[MassHavoc]

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[quote name="PatrickSharpRules"]
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Who has the cojones to say no to him?[/quote]No one that counts. And how great must it be to be Rocky, knowing full well what's going on but yet be completely shielded from it. And you can't say that he doesn't because he wouldn't be the businessman he is today if he didn't know what was going on at all times.[/quote]



I don't know about that, his dad was worth over 500 million.....[/quote]

Yeah? And how does that matter? It's not like the guy sat around his whole life with the silver spoon in his mouth, never working a day.

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

[quote name="MassHavoc"]
[quote name="PatrickSharpRules"]
[quote name="MassHavoc"]



Who has the cojones to say no to him?[/quote]No one that counts. And how great must it be to be Rocky, knowing full well what's going on but yet be completely shielded from it. And you can't say that he doesn't because he wouldn't be the businessman he is today if he didn't know what was going on at all times.[/quote]



I don't know about that, his dad was worth over 500 million.....[/quote]

Yeah? And how does that matter? It's not like the guy sat around his whole life with the silver spoon in his mouth, never working a day.[/quote]



Yea, but come on, The Wirtz Corp. is worth billions. And that was his grandpa who built the company, not Rocky, and his dad who kept it going, I'm sure Rocky worked hard but would he own the Hawks and be where he is had he started in a situation like mine or yours and without his dad?

 

[MassHavoc]

[quote name="PatrickSharpRules"]

Yea, but come on, The Wirtz Corp. is worth billions. And that was his grandpa who built the company, not Rocky, and his dad who kept it going, I'm sure Rocky worked hard but would he own the Hawks and be where he is had he started in a situation like mine or yours and without his dad?[/quote]

He was responsible for running the most profitable part of his fathers business. Do you think his dad is dumb enough to put anyone in that position? Not to mention the growth of that business. To even insinuate that Rocky isn't a great business man is nuts to me. The fact is that he saw a cash cow in the hawks and stepped in and took control of the team when many thought it would go to his brother.

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

[quote name="MassHavoc"]
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Yea, but come on, The Wirtz Corp. is worth billions. And that was his grandpa who built the company, not Rocky, and his dad who kept it going, I'm sure Rocky worked hard but would he own the Hawks and be where he is had he started in a situation like mine or yours and without his dad?[/quote]

He was responsible for running the most profitable part of his fathers business. Do you think his dad is dumb enough to put anyone in that position? Not to mention the growth of that business. To even insinuate that Rocky isn't a great business man is nuts to me. The fact is that he saw a cash cow in the hawks and stepped in and took control of the team when many thought it would go to his brother.[/quote]



I still have never been told what really happened but the job did go to his brother Peter then days later it was Rocky's? Something had to have happened there but from posts around here it couldn't have been classy, especially considering family. One day I'll be told, and all my views of Rocky will go down the drain.

 

[fanof19]

Rocky grew up knowing he would take over the organization and not one of his siblings, just as WWW knew it would be him and not one of his siblings.



Rocky did the same thing in the liquor business that he did with the Hawks. Hire a guy who would make decisions and buffer Rocky from the heat/blame. Rocky knows what is going on at all times. Decisions aren't made without him knowing, and as owner, he has final say if he doesn't like something. He is trusting McD to make all decisions, but they are all run through him to keep him abreast. It's what successful owners of anything do. How McD has spun some things that Rocky has agreed to, we'll never know.

 

[MassHavoc]

[quote name="fanof19"]Rocky grew up knowing he would take over the organization and not one of his siblings, just as WWW knew it would be him and not one of his siblings.



Rocky did the same thing in the liquor business that he did with the Hawks. Hire a guy who would make decisions and buffer Rocky from the heat/blame. Rocky knows what is going on at all times. Decisions aren't made without him knowing, and as owner, he has final say if he doesn't like something. He is trusting McD to make all decisions, but they are all run through him to keep him abreast. It's what successful owners of anything do. How McD has spun some things that Rocky has agreed to, we'll never know.[/quote]

I'd like to know how the two of them got introduced.

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

[quote name="fanof19"]Rocky grew up knowing he would take over the organization and not one of his siblings, just as WWW knew it would be him and not one of his siblings.



Rocky did the same thing in the liquor business that he did with the Hawks. Hire a guy who would make decisions and buffer Rocky from the heat/blame. Rocky knows what is going on at all times. Decisions aren't made without him knowing, and as owner, he has final say if he doesn't like something. He is trusting McD to make all decisions, but they are all run through him to keep him abreast. It's what successful owners of anything do. How McD has spun some things that Rocky has agreed to, we'll never know.[/quote]



God thats bush league.



And still mass, thats why I wouldn't be able to say he's a great businessman. The greats are guys who invent new ways to make money, work their dicks off to make every nickel, I don't know if Rocky did any of that. What I do know is what is in bold, to me that doesn't make him great, most people could be raised in a millionaire household, be shown the light on what to do, and take over when need be.

 

[MassHavoc]

[quote name="PatrickSharpRules"]
[quote name="fanof19"]Rocky grew up knowing he would take over the organization and not one of his siblings, just as WWW knew it would be him and not one of his siblings.



Rocky did the same thing in the liquor business that he did with the Hawks. Hire a guy who would make decisions and buffer Rocky from the heat/blame. Rocky knows what is going on at all times. Decisions aren't made without him knowing, and as owner, he has final say if he doesn't like something. He is trusting McD to make all decisions, but they are all run through him to keep him abreast. It's what successful owners of anything do. How McD has spun some things that Rocky has agreed to, we'll never know.[/quote]



God thats bush league.



And still mass, thats why I wouldn't be able to say he's a great businessman. The greats are guys who invent new ways to make money, work their dicks off to make every nickel, I don't know if Rocky did any of that. What I do know is what is in bold, to me that doesn't make him great, most people could be raised in a millionaire household, be shown the light on what to do, and take over when need be.[/quote]

So then I guess we'll have to agree on the word successful, because to me a great businessman is one who is very successful, but you are saying he's only great if he started with nothing and because very successful.

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

[quote name="MassHavoc"]
[quote name="PatrickSharpRules"]
[quote name="fanof19"]Rocky grew up knowing he would take over the organization and not one of his siblings, just as WWW knew it would be him and not one of his siblings.



Rocky did the same thing in the liquor business that he did with the Hawks. Hire a guy who would make decisions and buffer Rocky from the heat/blame. Rocky knows what is going on at all times. Decisions aren't made without him knowing, and as owner, he has final say if he doesn't like something. He is trusting McD to make all decisions, but they are all run through him to keep him abreast. It's what successful owners of anything do. How McD has spun some things that Rocky has agreed to, we'll never know.[/quote]



God thats bush league.



And still mass, thats why I wouldn't be able to say he's a great businessman. The greats are guys who invent new ways to make money, work their dicks off to make every nickel, I don't know if Rocky did any of that. What I do know is what is in bold, to me that doesn't make him great, most people could be raised in a millionaire household, be shown the light on what to do, and take over when need be.[/quote]

So then I guess we'll have to agree on the word successful, because to me a great businessman is one who is very successful, but you are saying he's only great if he started with nothing and because very successful.[/quote]



I guess, theres no other way to know if he would have been successful had he started out and his dad was a bus driver. I mean your family can be wealthy and then your family can be the Wirtz family. Obviously many great businessman have come from fairly wealthy families, but Rocky's situation was pretty clear cut. Especially if there wasn't even competition from within the family.

 

[MassHavoc]

Well there you go, if it was so easy for him to be successful, don't you think there would have been more competition from within his family, from people who had all the same opportunities as him?



On a side note, why the **** can't I spell the word successful! I have to correct it everytime.

 

[Tater]

[quote name="MassHavoc"]Well there you go, if it was so easy for him to be successful, don't you think there would have been more competition from within his family, from people who had all the same opportunities as him?



On a side note, why the **** can't I spell the word successful! I have to correct it everytime.[/quote]



So your not often successful spelling successful?

 

[Tater]

[quote name="MassHavoc"]Well there you go, if it was so easy for him to be successful, don't you think there would have been more competition from within his family, from people who had all the same opportunities as him?



On a side note, why the **** can't I spell the word successful! I have to correct it everytime.[/quote]



So your not often successful spelling successful?

 

[PatrickSharpRules]

[quote name="MassHavoc"]Well there you go, if it was so easy for him to be successful, don't you think there would have been more competition from within his family, from people who had all the same opportunities as him?



On a side note, why the **** can't I spell the word successful! I have to correct it everytime.[/quote]



Hahah I don't know, I've read that like 5 times and still don't know what you mean. If it were easy for him to be successful there wouldn't have been competition from within his family....thats one of the reasons why I think it was easy.

 

[MassHavoc]

[quote name="PatrickSharpRules"]
[quote name="MassHavoc"]Well there you go, if it was so easy for him to be successful, don't you think there would have been more competition from within his family, from people who had all the same opportunities as him?



On a side note, why the **** can't I spell the word successful! I have to correct it everytime.[/quote]



Hahah I don't know, I've read that like 5 times and still don't know what you mean. If it were easy for him to be successful there wouldn't have been competition from within his family....thats one of the reasons why I think it was easy.[/quote]

If he is just a product of his environment, then the rest of his family would be too. They would all have the same opportunities, thus there would be competition.

The fact is, that just because you come from money doesn't mean you are worth a shit, you still have to work hard to be successful and sustain success. Some people are content to live off the teet their whole life. Some people prefer to be happy having their last name the same as a hotel. But for some people that's not enough. You can't tell me that he's just sat that and let everything come to him.



Oh and Tater, at least I was SUCCESSFUL in only posting it once!

 

[Razzberry]

[quote name="Tater"]
[quote name="MassHavoc"]Well there you go, if it was so easy for him to be successful, don't you think there would have been more competition from within his family, from people who had all the same opportunities as him?



On a side note, why the **** can't I spell the word successful! I have to correct it everytime.[/quote]



So your not often successful spelling successful?[/quote]

It's tricky. Kind of like "you're". :mrgreen:

 

[Tater]

[quote name="Razzberry"]
[quote name="Tater"]
[quote name="MassHavoc"]Well there you go, if it was so easy for him to be successful, don't you think there would have been more competition from within his family, from people who had all the same opportunities as him?



On a side note, why the **** can't I spell the word successful! I have to correct it everytime.[/quote]



So your not often successful spelling successful?[/quote]

It's tricky. Kind of like "you're". :mrgreen:[/quote]



YES !!!!! Thank you Razz, I was just about to post a good comeback but you have me beat. He is an easy target though.

 

[Razzberry]

I'm just going to wait for it to sink in.

 

[klemmer]

[quote name="PatrickSharpRules"]
[quote name="MassHavoc"]
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Yea, but come on, The Wirtz Corp. is worth billions. And that was his grandpa who built the company, not Rocky, and his dad who kept it going, I'm sure Rocky worked hard but would he own the Hawks and be where he is had he started in a situation like mine or yours and without his dad?[/quote]

He was responsible for running the most profitable part of his fathers business. Do you think his dad is dumb enough to put anyone in that position? Not to mention the growth of that business. To even insinuate that Rocky isn't a great business man is nuts to me. The fact is that he saw a cash cow in the hawks and stepped in and took control of the team when many thought it would go to his brother.[/quote]



I still have never been told what really happened but the job did go to his brother Peter then days later it was Rocky's? Something had to have happened there but from posts around here it couldn't have been classy, especially considering family. One day I'll be told, and all my views of Rocky will go down the drain.[/quote]



From what I understand... Peter was a VP with the team, but the succession plan said that the oldest son (Rocky) would succeed $bill upon his passing.

 

[MassHavoc]

[quote name="Tater"]
[quote name="Razzberry"]
[quote name="Tater"]



So your not often successful spelling successful?[/quote]

It's tricky. Kind of like "you're". :mrgreen:[/quote]



YES !!!!! Thank you Razz, I was just about to post a good comeback but you have me beat. He is an easy target though.[/quote]

Leave me a lone, im unemployed now sew I am aloud to drank heavily awl day and make grammatical airs four as long as i feel like it. your awl whores.