The Jon Lester Discussion Thread

[Boobaby1]

if its only money than he will sign with highest bidder. if he wants to win again he will sign with boston. giants i dont think are big players for him as much as it is reported.


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It would be unheard of if two players left their team to go to the A's around the same time, only to be re-signed again by the teams that let them go, meaning Lester and Hammel.

Of course, I hope the Cubs have something to say about it and land them both.

 

[chibears55]

http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/...rtedly-at-138m-red-sox-willing-to-go-to-130m/

Cubs are at 6/138
Redsox at 6/130

Giants are on the clock. .

 

[brett05]

http://www.bleachernation.com/2014/...rtedly-at-138m-red-sox-willing-to-go-to-130m/

Cubs are at 6/138
Redsox at 6/130

Giants are on the clock. .

If true I feel the cubs are about$20 million light

 

[chibears55]

If true I feel the cubs are about$20 million light

You think the cubs would have to go to 160 to lure him from Boston 130 ?

I think if Boston stays the same, it probably take 150

I still think the Giants are the key to all this and if money the same he goes there over both the cubs and redsox

 

[SilenceS]

You think the cubs would have to go to 160 to lure him from Boston 130 ?

I think if Boston stays the same, it probably take 150

I still think the Giants are the key to all this and if money the same he goes there over both the cubs and redsox

Jon Heyman is reporting that the Cubs gave a 6 year 138 million and the Red Sox would go up to 130 million. Supposively, their current offer is not 130 million but they would be willing to go up that far.

 

[SilenceS]

If true I feel the cubs are about$20 million light

This isnt monopoly money. 8 million over your next best offer is huge money. The Cubs go 28 million over the next offer then they should be slapped. Stop saying ridiculous things because you dont like the Cubs.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I said 6 years $144 mil early on and then backed off but if that report is accurate it could be the likely end number.

 

[SilenceS]

I said 6 years $144 mil early on and then backed off but if that report is accurate it could be the likely end number.

The way Jon Heyman worded it. It seems like this was a new offer from the Cubs.

 

[brett05]

This isnt monopoly money.

Only you are constructing that strawman and you got you fan boy thanking you right along

8 million over your next best offer is huge money.

You need to learn math or context or both. It's only like 6.2% more. Would you leave the place you love that has a chance with you to be champs again as they did with you for the upstart unproven restaurant which by the time the restaurant has any chance of being successful you'll be the soux (sp) chef? Of course you don't leave.

The Cubs go 28 million over the next offer then they should be slapped. Stop saying ridiculous things because you dont like the Cubs.

they need to beat a contender by 20% to be an equal offer at this point.

Stop trying to marry the team and join reality

 

[Shawon0Meter]

Eventually the Cubs have to sign guys if they want to attract others

I've been thinking about this part of the equation more lately. It makes me a lot more desperate for Lester. I don't want free agents to view the Cubs the same way a year from now as they do today.

 

[SilenceS]

Only you are constructing that strawman and you got you fan boy thanking you right along




You need to learn math or context or both. It's only like 6.2% more. Would you leave the place you love that has a chance with you to be champs again as they did with you for the upstart unproven restaurant which by the time the restaurant has any chance of being successful you'll be the soux (sp) chef? Of course you don't leave.


they need to beat a contender by 20% to be an equal offer at this point.

Stop trying to marry the team and join reality

Yea, only 6,2 percent more of a 130 million dollars not a couple of hundred. You have just made up a ridiculous 20 percent increase. Im sorry, Im not the one making up random shit and throwing it on the board.

 

[brett05]

Yea, only 6,2 percent more of a 130 million dollars not a couple of hundred. You have just made up a ridiculous 20 percent increase.

Actually I'm not. This comes from the media in Chicago that are to follow the Cubs. But hey be a denier, it's not a crime

 

[DewsSox79]

whoever gets him in this bidding war is going to regret the signing.


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[SilenceS]

Actually I'm not. This comes from the media in Chicago that are to follow the Cubs. But hey be a denier, it's not a crime

Links

 

[Boobaby1]

whoever gets him in this bidding war is going to regret the signing.


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It would show the commitment to jump starting this process. To sit idly by and take lesser knowns like Bret Anderson and Jason Hammel to fill out the rotation means you are waiting another year to see how everything starts to shake out, and basically, you are putting the same team out there that ended the year. We don't even know yet who might be on the team as the Cubs could surprise and field a respectable team. Time will tell.

Eventually, you need to add pieces to the existing team, and if nothing else, you need to show them your willingness to put players around them rather than trading the good ones off. Hell, every team BUT the Cubs seems to be doing it.

This would go a long way, and be far more beneficial now than the last couple of years on his contract, which by that time, will be chump change for the Cubs because of the TV contract and revenue streaming that will be in place.

Speaking of contracts, and you can take this for what it's worth, but....

While Jon Lester is visiting the Giants today, we are hearing that the Cubs may add a seventh year to their offer for the free agent left-hander. The seventh year would be a vesting option based on the number of innings Lester pitches in years five and six. According to what we are hearing, the seventh year would become guaranteed if Lester pitchers 360 combined innings during the last two years of the deal.

Jon Heyman reports that his sources say the Cubs current offer to Lester is six years and $138M, while the Red Sox are reportedly willing to go to six years and $130M. Heyman added on Twitter that the $8M gap between the offers is not "relevant" and that he expects the bidding to exceed $150M.

opcorn:

 

[brett05]

Links

You want me to link to television/radio? You do realize there is more than the internet right?

 

[TC in Mississippi]

they need to beat a contender by 20% to be an equal offer at this point.

Oddly I agree with you for the most part but I think that number is closer to 12%-15%. If Boston is offering $130 million/6 I think the Cubs will have to be in the $142-$145 mil neighborhood or add a 7th year to make it happen. I think it's more because of his history with Boston than it is contending though. The Cubs are selling their contention window beginning in a year. Now you can buy that or not but the pitch is designed for Lester to buy it. $15 million offers plenty of reasons to believe it.

Now that the circus is done I'm sure there will be a decision sometime this week although I could see this drag on to Sunday in order for it to make a big splash on the eve of the winter meetings. If this is really down to the Cubs and Red Sox I think the Cubs will make the overpay and get it done if for no other reason than the Cubs really do need a "open for business" move to signify in more than words that they're ready to start trying to win. Is that silly? Yeah, but it's most likely reality. If the Cubs sign Lester Boston has a lot of other options. They've opened up trade possibilities with their recent signings and they have young talent and they probably have enough to get a Cole Hamels from Philly. If it goes the other way, while Cubs have enough to get Hamels they most likely won't as they haven't finished evaluating their talent and are unlikely to start parting with assets quite yet.

I don't think not signing Lester is the worst thing in the world that could happen to the team but it will perpetuate the idea that the Cubs are a big market team playing small market games. I can honestly see both points of view. On one hand I'd like them to build a frugal organization that doesn't need to pay free agents for past performance butt on the other I want to see a real step forward and in a practical sense I want to see them get an emerging ace in Jake Arrieta some protection so he's not carrying a staff on his shoulders so soon after beginning to establish himself.

 

[CSF77]

Cubs should pay 150 mil to get him. 25 mil per is not unheard of for a front of the rotation.

Kershaw: 30 mil per year.
Greinke: 23.5 mil per year. (what I'm suspecting that the Cubs are shooting at)
Lee: 25 mil per year (what I think he should get)
Hamels: 22.5 mil per (seems pretty cheap considering what is going on)
Sabathia: 23 mil up to 25 mil in 2016... ya that is the worry here...
Tanaka: 22 mil per
King Felix: 24 up to 25 mil in 2016 then scaling up to 27 mil.


The reality here is 25 mil would not be a albatross signing as that is the norm with TOR right now.

 

[SilenceS]

You want me to link to television/radio? You do realize there is more than the internet right?

There would be links out there as well.

 

[SilenceS]

It would show the commitment to jump starting this process. To sit idly by and take lesser knowns like Bret Anderson and Jason Hammel to fill out the rotation means you are waiting another year to see how everything starts to shake out, and basically, you are putting the same team out there that ended the year. We don't even know yet who might be on the team as the Cubs could surprise and field a respectable team. Time will tell.

Eventually, you need to add pieces to the existing team, and if nothing else, you need to show them your willingness to put players around them rather than trading the good ones off. Hell, every team BUT the Cubs seems to be doing it.

This would go a long way, and be far more beneficial now than the last couple of years on his contract, which by that time, will be chump change for the Cubs because of the TV contract and revenue streaming that will be in place.

Speaking of contracts, and you can take this for what it's worth, but....



opcorn:

Who is going to exceed 150 million would be my question? I think the Cubs top out at 145 or add a 7th year. It seems Boston is only willing to go up to 130 or so. I heard the Yankees could be sneaking in and dropping a 150 million dollar bid. I truly dont see the Giants as real players, but I have been wrong many times before. I am also confused by Heyman report. he said the Red Sox havent offered 130 million. He said they would be willing to go up to 130 million. These rumors are so hard to decipher.