The Most Important Move That MUST Be Done Before Trade Deadline.

[Axl Rose]

He wrote how he felt without trying to sugarcoat or please people....He told the truth....He used to bash Bulls management but it was the truth...Chicago sports media and the newspapers need more people like him.
He wasnt a asskisser and yesman to everything Bulls management with constant excuses for there failures LIKE Sam Smith types who are leftover and still allowed to flood the chicago sports media today with there propoganda.

yup we need ppl that are gonna tell the flat out truth and not try to sugarcoat shit

thats how media should be...but of course its not because speaking the raw non filtered truth will end in them losing their job

 

[houheffna]

yup we need ppl that are gonna tell the flat out truth and not try to sugarcoat shit

thats how media should be...but of course its not because speaking the raw non filtered truth will end in them losing their job

And again, you have NO proof to back up what you are saying. All of a sudden you yearn for the good ol' days of....Jay Mariotti? His arguments were usually empty and baseless.

If you are waiting for ANY reporter to agree with your far-fetched conclusion that NBA players don't come to Chicago because of Paxson and Forman....you will be waiting a long time. What exactly did they do to alienate NBA players?

 

[Axl Rose]

im not talking about mariotti im speaking in general

and its no way i can prove paxgar are the reason nobody wants to come here and im not pushing it as fact....but i dont think they are well regarded around the league

the Bulls are always shown in a bad light with some kind of issues....ben wallace headband situation....the ben gordon situation...the vinny/pax situation...the gar/thibs situation...and stupid quotes like "letting the market come to us" etc etc....the Bulls just put off a bad vibe of being cheap and downright assholes and im saying we need to clean it up

 

[houheffna]

im not talking about mariotti im speaking in general

and its no way i can prove paxgar are the reason nobody wants to come here and im not pushing it as fact....but i dont think they are well regraded around the league

the Bulls are always shown in a bad light with some kind of issues....ben wallace headband situation....the ben gordon situation...the vinny/pax situation...the gar/thibs situation...and stupid quotes like "letting the market come to us" etc etc....the Bulls just put off a bad vibe of being cheap and downright assholes and im saying we need to clean it up

You are seriously reaching here. The "letting the market come to us" quote was in 2011, and specific to that time. You have taken that and quoted it more than a preacher quotes Psalm 23! You act as if that is that quote represents the financial philosophy of the organization. EVERY organization takes on that philosophy at one point or the other.

Those other sorry ass excuses shouldn't be addressed. The headband rule started with Scott Skiles and continued after him....but they broke the rule for Ben Wallace...other teams had the rule in place too (Miami Heat) and broke the rule....for Jermaine O'Neal! Really hurt Miami's chances of landing free agents didn't it?

The ben gordon situation????? Are you serious? Ben Gordon is important to you...he is not the social epicenter of the NBA. He is irrelevant! Nobody knows his name, nobody's glad he came (Cheers theme reference). He is 5 minutes from being a damn trivia question. As stated before, he needed the Bulls more than the Bulls need him. LOL to this situation being a detriment to the Bulls FO, if anything, it shows how smart they were to refuse to pay him as much money as Monta Ellis was getting at the time. But then again, maybe NBA players know that Reinsdorf offered him a big contract...and he turned it down (Gilbert Arenas even told the media Gordon was stupid for that move), maybe they know the truth.

As for Vinny/Pax....Chris Paul refused to resign with the Clippers...until they got rid of Vinny. But to you...sure, its a paxgar problem, its their fault, everything is their fault...

The gar/thibs issue is a problem, but its not unusual.

Keep reaching though. You might actually find something.

 

[Axl Rose]

You are seriously reaching here. The "letting the market come to us" quote was in 2011, and specific to that time. You have taken that and quoted it more than a preacher quotes Psalm 23! You act as if that is that quote represents the financial philosophy of the organization. EVERY organization takes on that philosophy at one point or the other.

Those other sorry ass excuses shouldn't be addressed. The headband rule started with Scott Skiles and continued after him....but they broke the rule for Ben Wallace...other teams had the rule in place too (Miami Heat) and broke the rule....for Jermaine O'Neal! Really hurt Miami's chances of landing free agents didn't it?

The ben gordon situation????? Are you serious? Ben Gordon is important to you...he is not the social epicenter of the NBA. He is irrelevant! Nobody knows his name, nobody's glad he came (Cheers theme reference). He is 5 minutes from being a damn trivia question. As stated before, he needed the Bulls more than the Bulls need him. LOL to this situation being a detriment to the Bulls FO, if anything, it shows how smart they were to refuse to pay him as much money as Monta Ellis was getting at the time. But then again, maybe NBA players know that Reinsdorf offered him a big contract...and he turned it down (Gilbert Arenas even told the media Gordon was stupid for that move), maybe they know the truth.

As for Vinny/Pax....Chris Paul refused to resign with the Clippers...until they got rid of Vinny. But to you...sure, its a paxgar problem, its their fault, everything is their fault...

The gar/thibs issue is a problem, but its not unusual.

Keep reaching though. You might actually find something.

Paxson started the no headband rule and Miami didnt have a big ordeal about it like we did

anyway you can down play them if you want...but they were negative situations that i think made the Bulls look bad

but as i said on the last page regardless of your opinion on paxson....is anybody against a change? you ignored that post

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Well im so confident in my PaxGar theories, that i am stating it as FACT.....Just because you cant google and link proof for Hue, doesnt mean it aint so....I have my very own indepenent mind that doesnt depend solely on google....i cannot be controlled or fooled like the gullible masses.. .Besides only a fool would believe everything they watch on the news, google or read in rhe paper.......Propoganda is a monster that really exists to keep the citizens fooled and in line to keep the power in power.........Always been this way for 1000s of years.......There are many many facts that cannot be researched because its slipped under the rug away from our view point........

silence the truth

 

[BIGGIEsmalls 23]

and its no way i can prove paxgar are the reason nobody wants to come here and im not pushing it as fact....but i dont think they are well regarded around the league

the Bulls are always shown in a bad light with some kind of issues....ben wallace headband situation....the ben gordon situation...the vinny/pax situation...the gar/thibs situation...and stupid quotes like "letting the market come to us" etc etc....the Bulls just put off a bad vibe of being cheap and downright assholes and im saying we need to clean it up

GarPax have done some good things with the Bulls, but the combination of negatives laid out by you is indeed viewed unfavorably by players around the league. Also, the negativity from the local media & a segment of the fanbase that turned on the hometown kid (Rose) because of his decision to take his time coming back from an ACL tear is another negative blemish on this franchise. NBA players around the league were turned off by the way Rose was treated.

Let's not forget the biggest scar that has hurt the reputation of the Bulls.....The dismantling of our championship Dynasty of Pippen, Phil Jackson, & Michael Jordan. The negative perception of the Bulls reaches further than just NBA players. The Bulls reputation has been ripped apart world-wide, including the following from just a week ago:

[video=youtube;J2NT1_Q7Q5g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2NT1_Q7Q5g[/video]

 

[scottiepippen1994]

GarPax have done some good things with the Bulls, but the combination of negatives laid out by you is indeed viewed unfavorably by players around the league. Also, the negativity from the local media & a segment of the fanbase that turned on the hometown kid (Rose) because of his decision to take his time coming back from an ACL tear is another negative blemish on this franchise. NBA players around the league were turned off by the way Rose was treated.

Let's not forget the biggest scar that has hurt the reputation of the Bulls.....The dismantling of our championship Dynasty of Pippen, Phil Jackson, & Michael Jordan. The negative perception of the Bulls reaches further than just NBA players. The Bulls reputation has been ripped apart world-wide, including the following from just a week ago:

[video=youtube;J2NT1_Q7Q5g]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2NT1_Q7Q5g[/video]

Great.......now noone will EVER play here again........people can laugh, but this is very serious and truthful.

 

[RoseMVP1]

GarPax have done a great job when it comes to the draft, especially late in the draft. They've been unable to bring in a big time player and that has hurt their reputation in our eyes. They did bring in Ben Wallace but lets be honest, he was never a HOF player, just a very good defender and rebounder. He was never going to be the key to a championship team. We signed Boozer, who was a pretty good player, but again was never going to be a big part of a championship team due to his extreme lack of defense and his shrinking in big games. We've spent a lot of money on broken down, old players. I just want to see them go out and grab a guy in his prime that's great, like Kevin Love.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

GarPax have done a great job when it comes to the draft, especially late in the draft. They've been unable to bring in a big time player and that has hurt their reputation in our eyes. They did bring in Ben Wallace but lets be honest, he was never a HOF player, just a very good defender and rebounder. He was never going to be the key to a championship team. We signed Boozer, who was a pretty good player, but again was never going to be a big part of a championship team due to his extreme lack of defense and his shrinking in big games. We've spent a lot of money on broken down, old players. I just want to see them go out and grab a guy in his prime that's great, like Kevin Love.

I just want to see PAXGAREINSDORFF GO............Period!

 

[Axl Rose]

GarPax have done a great job when it comes to the draft, especially late in the draft..

they did but those guys spent 3-4 years in college....very safe picks

all the guys they drafted that were potential sucked...Tyrus, James Johnson, Teague

 

[scottiepippen1994]

they did but those guys spent 3-4 years in college

all the guys they took risk on sucked....Tyrus, James Johnson, Teague

LoL.
PaxGar wouldnt be much better being demoted to drafting scouts.
They wouldnt even be good janitors in the front office.
They stand pat too much...The mess would pile up rather quickly.
GET THEM OUT OF HERE BEFORE THE 2014 SUMMER OF FREE AGENTS, OR ELSE WE WILL WATCH ALL BIRDS FLY RIGHT PAST US AGAIN.

 

[Axl Rose]

They wouldnt even be good janitors in the front office.

instead of picking up the trash they would just let it come to them

:derbulls:

 

[scottiepippen1994]

:andruw:

 

[houheffna]

GarPax have done some good things with the Bulls, but the combination of negatives laid out by you is indeed viewed unfavorably by players around the league. Also, the negativity from the local media & a segment of the fanbase that turned on the hometown kid (Rose) because of his decision to take his time coming back from an ACL tear is another negative blemish on this franchise. NBA players around the league were turned off by the way Rose was treated.

Let's not forget the biggest scar that has hurt the reputation of the Bulls.....The dismantling of our championship Dynasty of Pippen, Phil Jackson, & Michael Jordan. The negative perception of the Bulls reaches further than just NBA players. The Bulls reputation has been ripped apart world-wide, including the following from just a week ago:

And now YOU'RE reaching too.....sad.

 

[houheffna]

Paxson started the no headband rule and Miami didnt have a big ordeal about it like we did

anyway you can down play them if you want...but they were negative situations that i think made the Bulls look bad

but as i said on the last page regardless of your opinion on paxson....is anybody against a change? you ignored that post

LOL...you respond by telling me that I ignored some other post? Was that post directed to me personally?

 

[clonetrooper264]

And now YOU'RE reaching too.....sad.

Well there might be a degree of truth in that. It's not necessarily the most positive image to have your franchise player blasted by the media over his decision on whether to come back from an injury. Especially if you are the one telling the media that he's supposed to be good to go. Just my opinion. :dunno:

 

[Axl Rose]

LOL...you respond by telling me that I ignored some other post? Was that post directed to me personally?

i guess you didnt read the first 2 lines...i responded to your post and corrected you on who really started the headband rule and said downplay the situations if you want...there was really not much more to say

and yes i had you in mind when i was asking was anybody against making FO changes...but now im directly asking you if you would be against making changes

 

[houheffna]

Well there might be a degree of truth in that. It's not necessarily the most positive image to have your franchise player blasted by the media over his decision on whether to come back from an injury. Especially if you are the one telling the media that he's supposed to be good to go. Just my opinion. :dunno:

Its not the most positive image to have your franchise player's brother speaking for him and pretty much stating that he will not suit up because he is not satisfied with moves that were made and the current roster...its not the most positive image to have the franchise player 100% healthy in a damn suit eating candy while Nate Robinson sits next to him puking in a bucket and going back out there to play. Its not the most positive image to have the franchise player stating that he can come back at any time....KNOWING that he wasn't going to play the rest of the season why Luol Deng shows up, trying to get into the locker room, after a spinal tap.

Guarantee if other NBA players did this type of thing...it would be said that they quit on their team, hell, one is called a quitter for less...he suited up and got a triple double.

In my opinion, somebody in that organization has to mature...it ain't the 53 year old VP.

By the way, if you have a player, and his entourage doing this to the franchise....what would you do? Put him through rehab, everything is going well, franchise player sells shoes using the impending "comeback", gets cleared to play by doctors and states...."no".

Here is a holiday gift for you from me...the inimitable words of Brian Kush:

"I don't want to hear a word from Rose about anything. I hope the Bulls trade Deng, maybe Boozer, and finish dead last in the East.
Rose doesn't want to play for a rebuilding team? The same guy who didn't want to play for a playoff team last year. Rose can go **** himself. Rose, who is apparently very sheltered by his inner circle, does have the benefit of working with PR people, professionals from the Bulls organization, Adidas, etc. But he just doesn't seem to get it. So I would expect more from Rose who has been in a professional, high-profile environment for six years, plus college. I know he doesn't want to be injured, but the way he's handled himself the last year and a half makes it hard to feel bad for him. "

Just thought I would throw in one of the original Bulls' forum posters.

In my opinion, people who think NBA players are not looking at this from both sides...and looking at his teammates, are fooling themselves. Bradley Beal isn't the only player who thinks Rose looked and acted like a damn fool. Rose turned people against Rose...nobody made him do shit. He had to mature on his own, for himself.

 

[houheffna]

i guess you didnt read the first 2 lines...i responded to your post and corrected you on who really started the headband rule and said downplay the situations if you want...there was really not much more to say

and yes i had you in mind when i was asking was anybody against making FO changes...but now im directly asking you if you would be against making changes

Absolutely not. I was never against them making changes.