The obvious HC hire

[Rise]

I don’t think it’s fair to compare Johnson to Nagy. Detroit’s offense is all Johnson, the screaming meatball doesn’t call plays or design anything. Johnson also has multiple years of success.

Nagy on the other hand was sort of calling plays for about half the season. It was unknown whether or not for how much. It’s clear as day that Reid was running that offense like he always had.

Now, that said, both of these situations mean nothing. You have someone like O’Connel who was under McVay (like Nagy) and turned out great. You have a guy like Shannahan who controlled an offense and he turned out great. You have plenty of examples of failures as well.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Him or Aaron Glenn.

Aaron Glenn will be a good coach in this league

 

[Canth]

I don’t think it’s fair to compare Johnson to Nagy. Detroit’s offense is all Johnson, the screaming meatball doesn’t call plays or design anything. Johnson also has multiple years of success.

Nagy on the other hand was sort of calling plays for about half the season. It was unknown whether or not for how much. It’s clear as day that Reid was running that offense like he always had.

Now, that said, both of these situations mean nothing. You have someone like O’Connel who was under McVay (like Nagy) and turned out great. You have a guy like Shannahan who controlled an offense and he turned out great. You have plenty of examples of failures as well.

The thing that was so strange with Nagy was that Reid was quoted at one point as saying he thought Nagy was possibly the best HC candidate of all his former coaches.

The double doink really broke Nagy. And it was a double whammy because they likely don't lose Fangio if they win that game as Denver was probably not going to wait to hire Fangio if he was not available. So many things that could have been different.

 

[Canth]

Aaron Glenn will be a good coach in this league

Maybe, I just don't see how you can go with another 1st time HC that was a DC. That just doesn't make sense to me, at all.

I can understand the Vrabel thing to a degree. But, I keep going back to: What is the solution for both short and long term then at OC? You cannot make the mistake of changing the OC every year or two with Caleb like Bears have done whenever they have a defensive HC.

 

[dabears70]

Best memes and tweets after Matt Eberflus goes full turkey in Thanksgiving loss to Lions

What on Earth just happened? The Chicago Bears lost on Thanksgiving due to some brutal clock management.

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One of my favorite's.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1862242670963274036

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Maybe, I just don't see how you can go with another 1st time HC that was a DC. That just doesn't make sense to me, at all.

I can understand the Vrabel thing to a degree. But, I keep going back to: What is the solution for both short and long term then at OC? You cannot make the mistake of changing the OC every year or two with Caleb like Bears have done whenever they have a defensive HC.

All I said was he will be a good coach. There’s questions with all these guys. I don’t think he would be my guy for the Bears. But he definitely would get an interview

 

[hyatt151]

One thing is calling offensive plays. Other thing is being capable to handle every task a head coach has. I’m not saying he isn’t capable. But we don’t know. But that goes for anyone. We have to take a risk. But we take a calculated risk with interviews, to find out how much a candidate knows and what he brings. Time will tell if he’s a good candidate.

won't matter who they select as the HC, as long as Poles is making the choice, it's destined to be a failure

 

[Rise]

All I said was he will be a good coach. There’s questions with all these guys. I don’t think he would be my guy for the Bears. But he definitely would get an interview

He is a good coach and deserves a shot. He took the time to talk to Caleb after the game too. I do not want him for the Bears, but someone should hire him.

 

[hyatt151]

With Brown we get a preview. All the hype about Johnson and you really don’t know what he would be like, he could be the next Nagy. And as I said before, with the track record of failure for first time head coaches with the Bears and how it affects their careers going forward I don’t think Johnson would want to come here if he has multiple options. Coaches go to Chicago to die (and QB’s). And with this ownership and their blundering I would be very skeptical of coming to Chicago if it was me.

I mean wow, how bad is it that they let Flus go through with the press conference this morning!

just because Nagy was an OC turned HC failure doesn't mean that a OC will never succeed

 

[KittiesKorner]

just because Nagy was an OC turned HC failure doesn't mean that a OC will never succeed

He didn’t say that, granny

 

[hyatt151]

If Ben Johnson teaches Ryan Poles how to draft/scout/sign good OL then sure

he was instrumental hin the selection of Sewell and the FA signing of Zeitler

 

[remydat]

Dennis Allen would also be a great DC hire. I'm sure he's not going to turn that interim HC gig with NO into the full time gig.

Dennis Allen was the HC that was fired dude. Darren Rizzi is the interim HC.

 

[dabears70]

Dennis Allen was the HC that was fired dude. Darren Rizzi is the interim HC.

That's right. He'd be a great DC hire for us.

 

[hyatt151]

He didn’t say that, granny

THIS IS HIS POST . All the hype about Johnson and you really don’t know what he would be like, he could be the next Nagy SO I BEG TO DIFFER

 

[roadwarrior_joe]

This team needs a leader.

 

[KittiesKorner]

THIS IS HIS POST . All the hype about Johnson and you really don’t know what he would be like, he could be the next Nagy SO I BEG TO DIFFER

Then you’re a fucking moron. Nowhere does that even imply that no can succeed at hc. Go take your levodopa

 

[botfly10]

Lance Briggs on CHGO making some interesting cases expressing concern over Ben Johnson as well. He is not saying don't do it, but he is definitely pumping the brakes on Ben Johnson that he may be the analytical game to Dan Campbell's old school mindset.

You need both. You need the mindset of a strong leader that really establishes a team culture and playing tough while being aware of the analytics but is not blindly held to them.

And you need both a mad scientist OC

And a strong HC that will veto most of the crazy shit that OC wants to do and force him to call plays and sequence within that teams identity

It's a critical partnership and we have seen too many times what happens when swingin dick OC's have the reigns taken off

 

[Nads786]

George is scared of Vrabel - I can see him totally dominate George with mental Reggie

Maybe, I just don't see how you can go with another 1st time HC that was a DC. That just doesn't make sense to me, at all.

I can understand the Vrabel thing to a degree. But, I keep going back to: What is the solution for both short and long term then at OC? You cannot make the mistake of changing the OC every year or two with Caleb like Bears have done whenever they have a defensive HC.

how did that effect Josh Allen? I don’t think it matters as long as the OC is competent.

 

[nc0gnet0]

I don’t trust that Ben Johnson can command the room. He doesn’t come off as some inspiring leader to me. I think he is the perfect right hand man brain to a guy like Campbell.

Honestly I’m excited to see how Thomas Brown is. He comes off as the type who can inspire a room and that’s a huge part of being the HC. He also seems to be damn good at calling plays, which is the second thing we need.

Sean McVay had this guy as his Asst HC for a reason. Look at two of the best ran franchises HCs in Steelers and Packers. Think to yourself why were they chosen? Hell Lefluer had the 30th ranked offense.

Now don’t get me twisted I’m not 100% on Thomas Brown long term but I’m excited they made the correct move which is let’s find out these last 5 weeks how he is.

The funny thing is, Aaron Glenn is that guy.

 

[nc0gnet0]

If Ben Johnson teaches Ryan Poles how to draft/scout/sign good OL then sure

You don't think if Poles hired Ben Johnson, Ben Johnson would make Poles fix the O-line? You think he is unaware his play calling calls for a good O-line? You think it is a coincidence that with Matt Neverflush, more priority was placed on Defense?