The Pee Video

[BlackHawkPaul]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2012/jan/12/video-us-troops-urinating-taliban



Thoughts?

 

[MassHavoc]

uuuuuuuuuhhh....

 

[fanof19]

Could have been worse. They could have chopped the heads off and mounted them on stakes around the village to send a message. Peeing on a dead guy who was out to kill you doesn't really evoke much in the way of outrage. I'm sure that kind of stuff was going on way before the world had video capabilities that fit in their pockets.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

Could have been worse. They could have chopped the heads off and mounted them on stakes around the village to send a message. Peeing on a dead guy who was out to kill you doesn't really evoke much in the way of outrage. I'm sure that kind of stuff was going on way before the world had video capabilities that fit in their pockets.

Agree.

I would have pooped on them. Lay a loaf right on their mouth. After the camera stopped rolling of course.

 

[BigPete]

Agree.

I would have pooped on them. Lay a loaf right on their mouth. After the camera stopped rolling of course.

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up. Its war, just don't film it! Dummies...Marines, go figure....

 

[winos5]

Mixed feelings truthfully.



I get the soldiers at war stuff. Doesn't mean I agree with the mindset. Behavior like that can escalate, particularly when it is tolerated or fostered in a unit. See Abu-Graib or killing of innocent civilians and staging them to look like enemy combatants.



If it was reversed how much outrage would there be? Similar to dragging them through streets or hanging them from an overpass? You bet.

 

[Larmer83]

Agree.

I would have pooped on them. Lay a loaf right on their mouth. After the camera stopped rolling of course.

The Urban Dictionary defines the above as a "BP Afgani".

 

[BigPete]

Mixed feelings truthfully.



I get the soldiers at war stuff. Doesn't mean I agree with the mindset. Behavior like that can escalate, particularly when it is tolerated or fostered in a unit. See Abu-Graib or killing of innocent civilians and staging them to look like enemy combatants.



If it was reversed how much outrage would there be? Similar to dragging them through streets or hanging them from an overpass? You bet.

This was nothing like Abu Ghraib. The soldiers in those pictures were told by civilian contractors of the CIA to pose like that and treat the inmates that way. They had no idea what they were doing was so legally, ethically, and morally wrong.



These Marines should have known better, but I imagine they were young, immature individuals with bad or absentee NCOs.



My point about this being war, is, 'why should I feel bad for people that were shooting at our troops? Especially ones that think it is okay to flog and imprison their woman and children as a way of life.'

 

[jakobeast]

The soilders were wrong. Plain and simple. That shouldn't have happened, and those soldiers totally made themselves and the US bad.



That said

















I don't frault them in the least. I have never been in a firefight, or in constant danger of losing my life. I have never had my friend next to me and have him get shot and die. The guys they killed, more then likely, were trying to kill them, and I can't fathom the emotions and the anger they felt. That which what happens on a battlefield is none of my business, nor anyone elses but those that were there.



My question is who the **** brings a camera, video or otherwise, to a battlefield? I know pictures of trophies are nothing new, but really guys? Do you not realize the film will make it onto the internet? You have only yourselves to blame.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

The soilders were wrong. Plain and simple. That shouldn't have happened, and those soldiers totally made themselves and the US bad.



That said

















I don't frault them in the least. I have never been in a firefight, or in constant danger of losing my life. I have never had my friend next to me and have him get shot and die. The guys they killed, more then likely, were trying to kill them, and I can't fathom the emotions and the anger they felt. That which what happens on a battlefield is none of my business, nor anyone elses but those that were there.



My question is who the **** brings a camera, video or otherwise, to a battlefield? I know pictures of trophies are nothing new, but really guys? Do you not realize the film will make it onto the internet? You have only yourselves to blame.

There are quite a few soldiers that do this. My friend that I work with on films has a friend that just got home from Iraq. He has nearly 3 years of footage in a suitcase. With smart phones having the ability to film anything and everything, it's harder to be "off the map."

 

[klemmer]

It was a bullshit move.



Videotaping it is even worse.

 

[howcho]

Just dumb. But nothing that has not happened before. I just finished reading a book about Okinawa and the Japs used to cut off the dead marine's junk and stuff it into their mouths.



There is such outrage in Washington over this but I hope it is all blustering and that these dedicated men will get just a slap on the wrist.

 

[klemmer]

There is such outrage in Washington over this but I hope it is all blustering and that these dedicated men will get just a slap on the wrist.

wow. just wow.

 

[BigPete]

wow. just wow.

What did you do for the AF again?

 

[klemmer]

What did you do for the AF again?

I was an Air Traffic Control Radar Repairman.



Doesn't matter what I did, what these yahoos did is simply disgusting.

 

[TSD]

i dont know personally what their mental state is. But in my humble opinion, they pissed on a corpse big deal. In WW2 they scalped japanese and took their ears and shit and decorated tanks with it I dont see anyone raging at the history of that and act like "the greatest generation" did no fuckin wrong in times of war.



This sort of shit has been going on as long as there has been war, you cant tell me everyone in history that has done this sort of thing are bad people, its war, they spend so much time thinking they could be dead any second, and grow to hate their enemy more than anything, they could have lost their best buddy, Id probably piss on the corpse of my enemy too given the right circumstance. Hell i might piss on em while hes a live, execute em then shit on him, I dont know, wouldnt know unless I was in that exact place.





I mean think about someone torturing raping and murdering your child. Then you in a locked room get to exact justice on the ****** any way you see fit? You think you might do something just as bad?

 

[howcho]

wow. just wow.

Are you looking for a court-martial? Dishonourable discharge?

 

[jakobeast]

There are quite a few soldiers that do this. My friend that I work with on films has a friend that just got home from Iraq. He has nearly 3 years of footage in a suitcase. With smart phones having the ability to film anything and everything, it's harder to be "off the map."

And does he not think that may make it out to somewhere or to someone that shouldnt see it?



Its the same thing with people taking nude pics of themselves with their face/distinguishing marks in the pic.

 

[BigPete]

I was an Air Traffic Control Radar Repairman.



Doesn't matter what I did, what these yahoos did is simply disgusting.

So you never got shot at, let alone dozens of times a week?



Its kind of stressful. Just saying...

 

[Variable]

This was nothing like Abu Ghraib. The soldiers in those pictures were told by civilian contractors of the CIA to pose like that and treat the inmates that way. They had no idea what they were doing was so legally, ethically, and morally wrong.

Really?