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[czman]

Who here is drinking koolaid? I mean seriously the most optimistic people here are saying 70-75 wins. Drinking koolaid would be suggesting they are going to make a run at the playoffs. Has it really come to the point where suggesting they will win 5 more games than the previous season and finish with 85-90 losses makes you a biased homer?

To some if you are not negative all the time you are a home.

 

[patg006]

To some if you are not negative all the time you are a home.

To most if you don't think the Cubs are broke and most of the prospects will be Superstars you aren't a fan.

 

[SilenceS]

To most if you don't think the Cubs are broke and most of the prospects will be Superstars you aren't a fan.

No, thats your over generalization going again.

 

[patg006]

No, thats your over generalization going again.

:smh:

 

[The Bandit]

No, thats your over generalization going again.

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[patg006]

90% of this board wouldn't know the truth or reality if it was dressed as Javier Baez.

 

[Jntg4]

90% of this board wouldn't know the truth or reality if it was dressed as Javier Baez.

You're 90% of the people on this board? Someone is full of himself.

 

[The Bandit]

90% of this board wouldn't know the truth or reality if it was dressed as Javier Baez.

I think 50% you group in as homers. You're not the Messiah of the realists, whether you like it, or not.

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[Boobaby1]

Who here is drinking koolaid? I mean seriously the most optimistic people here are saying 70-75 wins. Drinking koolaid would be suggesting they are going to make a run at the playoffs. Has it really come to the point where suggesting they will win 5 more games than the previous season and finish with 85-90 losses makes you a biased homer?

Really? Since when does taking over in the win column constitute as the only absolution for drinking koolaid?

What is the last negative thing you said about the Cubs FO?

You say you want Tanaka, but not for very much money.

You also say that it was a good move to get rid of Soriano because the Cubs have to see other players. He was blocking NO ONE!

Are you serious to think that Lake, Sweeney, Schierholtz and Ruggiano are anything moving this team forward? What are they going to net in return?

First off, none of those players could hold Soriano's jockstrap, and second, none of those players are even going to be part of this team moving forward.

If you disagree, what does it make you?.

 

[CSF77]

Really? Since when does taking over in the win column constitute as the only absolution for drinking koolaid?

What is the last negative thing you said about the Cubs FO?

You say you want Tanaka, but not for very much money.

You also say that it was a good move to get rid of Soriano because the Cubs have to see other players. He was blocking NO ONE!

Are you serious to think that Lake, Sweeney, Schierholtz and Ruggiano are anything moving this team forward? What are they going to net in return?

First off, none of those players could hold Soriano's jockstrap, and second, none of those players are even going to be part of this team moving forward.

If you disagree, what does it make you?.

Schierholtz was at .269/.327/.498 OPS .825 at the ASG last year. 1/23 HR/AB ratio
Soriano: .259/.288/.472 .760 OPS 1/21.43 HR/AB

I'll disagree with you there.

 

[beckdawg]

What is the last negative thing you said about the Cubs FO?

I've repeatedly question the pitching depth they have this coming season. As for the rest of what you've said, saying nothing doesn't equate to unequivocally agreeing with them. In the case of the OF I'm willing to see how it plays out. I thought it was a good move to get rid of Soriano because he didn't get on base which has a direct correlation with scoring runs. Other player very well could be better than he was at that and if they aren't so what? Soriano was a FA after this season anyways. My point is the fact that they have to find someone for 2015 anyways because Soriano wasn't going to be back. If they find someone who can be an average player for the next few years that's a plus. If they all fail then they are back to where they would have been in 2015 anyways. It's not about blocking anyone. It's about finding a long term fix rather than a 1 year fix. If Kalish gets his career back on track that's worth quite a bit more to the cubs over the next several years than whatever Soriano would provide this year. So yes, they are taking a chance on being far worse in 2014 if none of those players pans out but they have to find something going forward anyways.

 

[patg006]

It's not about blocking anyone. It's about finding a long term fix rather than a 1 year fix

You can't have a long term fix at every position.

That is ridiculous.

Throwing away seasons at the major league level hoping to find a long term fix is ignorant.

Thinking there is no difference between a 60 win season and a 75 win season is ignorant.

 

[JosMin]

90% of this board wouldn't know the truth or reality if it was dressed as Javier Baez.

Well... considering that Javier Baez is the truth.....

 

[patg006]

Well... considering that Javier Baez is the truth.....

Wrong.

The Truth is actually Paul Pierce.

 

[CSF77]

Thinking there is no difference between a 60 win season and a 75 win season is ignorant.

There is a difference. You not going to the play offs in both situations and the 75 win team loses a first round pick if they sign a restricted F/A and the cash alotment that goes along with it to a team that gains it and helps their long term cause.

Competition is not just on the field of play and there is a difference in long term success and short term success.

 

[CSF77]

It means more if you are projected to win 90 wins and end up at 80 wins and lose a first round. Your team was good to start with and needs a add.

VS you are a 60 win team and trying to get to 75 wins? Come on now. That is like winning the tallest midget race.

 

[Boobaby1]

Schierholtz was at .269/.327/.498 OPS .825 at the ASG last year. 1/23 HR/AB ratio
Soriano: .259/.288/.472 .760 OPS 1/21.43 HR/AB

I'll disagree with you there.

Sample size CSF does not count.

By that token, Bryan LaHair was equally as good as Rizzo for a half of a season and neither could hit lefties. See how that works?

 

[Boobaby1]

There is a difference. You not going to the play offs in both situations and the 75 win team loses a first round pick if they sign a restricted F/A and the cash alotment that goes along with it to a team that gains it and helps their long term cause.

Competition is not just on the field of play and there is a difference in long term success and short term success.

And a 75 win team means that you are a couple of players away from an 85-90 win season which could very well vault you into the post-season.

A 60 win team means you lose fans, lose free agents because they don't want to play for you, and that you are at least 5-6 players away from that coveted mark. All for the sake of a top 3 pick versus #11 or #12.

Sorry, but they have had enough top picks to warrant the semblance of putting together a team with greater aspirations than a top 3 pick or losing the #11 or #12 IMO because that free agent that they get, will far outweigh the production of your pick that you lose in most cases.

 

[patg006]

You not going to the play offs in both situations and the 75 win team loses a first round pick if they sign a restricted F/A and the cash alotment that goes along with it to a team that gains it and helps their long term cause.

Competition is not just on the field of play and there is a difference in long term success and short term success.

The Cubs aren't signing those restricted FA's anyway and people whine and cry that it is a waste of money to do that on a 60 win team.

It is plainly clear that the major league team is such a mess right now that players on other teams do not want to come here to play and the players who are on the team and have a chance to leave, take it.

I love it how everyone just thinks that the smart thing to do is just keep losing big until all the pieces magically fall together in one offseason.

You have to have short term success before you have long term success.

 

[beckdawg]

And a 75 win team means that you are a couple of players away from an 85-90 win season which could very well vault you into the post-season.

A 70-75 win team only matters when you're on an upswing with younger players(or at least some long term core) and not a decline(see 2010-present). I've never been a playoffs or tank type despite what you may believe. Instead, it's about having the parts to go for it. The cubs haven't had the young core for quite awhile.

That has always been my point about Soriano. He is and always would have been irrelevant for the 2014 team's chances at the playoffs. If someone like Kalish can turn around his career and be an average MLB player for 3-4 years and you add that with the upcoming prospects they have you could quickly be looking at a 75 win team that is on the upswing. Even if Soriano has a good year then what? He'll be 39.

To me it's about taking short term losses for hopefully long term gains. Maybe those long term gains never amount to anything but there's also no long term gains in players like Dempster, Soriano, Zambrano....etc.