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[patg006]

A career .238 hitter? Lmao

He has 255 hits in 1071 AB's which gives him a career batting average of .238

If you need help with the math, I'd be happy to help you out.

 

[SilenceS]

lol How the **** do you even know about my message board career? I was a basketball poster who was never really a regular on the Cubs message board on CBS. Back when CBS featured its user blogs in 2009 and 2010, I've earned on insert on the site's community front page on seven different occasions. I'm not 21 anymore like I was then and I'll admit my stuff is more refined now, but I bet you didn't know that one...

Well then sack up and stop crying wolf. You make juvenile post and then ***** when people call you dumb. Stick to talking baseball and I will have no problem responding to you. Even if I dont agree with some, I can have an actual discussion.

 

[SilenceS]

A career .238 hitter? Lmao
He hit .285 in 2012 and had a terrible year last season at .230.. a season and half don't exactly define his career. . He could just as easily have a 50 point jump in his Avg this year as he dropped 50 last year..
If you were around then, you probably wanted Dejesus back when Ryno didn't get his first hit til may and was a .260 hitter and .310 OBP after his first 2 full seasons.

Your trying way to hard to be like your buddies that you don't realize how foolish you make yourself look in here.

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I cant see Rizzo ever being an high average guy, but if he can hit around .270 he is going to be a good player. My questioning on him is consistency of his swing and hands. I feel like his hands arent always consistent when he is up there. I also completely dislike his guessing. You can tell when he is guessing and looks foolish. His swing has him rolling over on to many balls and putting them weakly in play. He is a strong boy and needs to use all fields. I know this is going to sound like a stretch but Volgelbach has a way better approach at the plate. Rizzo lost that last year. He also looks foolish on hard,low break stuff and has been abysmal against lefties. These are things he has to improve on this year or Chunk may be right on his tails to take his job. Also, am I the only one that thinks he cant catch up to a good fastball because of his hands placement. Ive seen him be overpowered and that was his knock in San Diego that he couldnt catch up to a good mid 90's fastball. He is young and coaching may have a lot to do with it, but this year will be telling. I hope he hits .270 with 30 plus bombs. If he does, Baez, Bryant, and him could make teams fear the **** out of the Cubs in a year or two.

 

[chibears55]

I cant see Rizzo ever being an high average guy, but if he can hit around .270 he is going to be a good player. My questioning on him is consistency of his swing and hands. I feel like his hands arent always consistent when he is up there. I also completely dislike his guessing. You can tell when he is guessing and looks foolish. His swing has him rolling over on to many balls and putting them weakly in play. He is a strong boy and needs to use all fields. I know this is going to sound like a stretch but Volgelbach has a way better approach at the plate. Rizzo lost that last year. He also looks foolish on hard,low break stuff and has been abysmal against lefties. These are things he has to improve on this year or Chunk may be right on his tails to take his job. Also, am I the only one that thinks he cant catch up to a good fastball because of his hands placement. Ive seen him be overpowered and that was his knock in San Diego that he couldnt catch up to a good mid 90's fastball. He is young and coaching may have a lot to do with it, but this year will be telling. I hope he hits .270 with 30 plus bombs. If he does, Baez, Bryant, and him could make teams fear the **** out of the Cubs in a year or two.

My point was that the kid has just a season and half in , which he batted .285 and .230. We have no real idea what kind of career Avg wise he will have based on what he has done to this point because he really hasn't establish himself yet.
To say it would be a reach for him to hit .250 this yr because his overall Avg is .238 is just plain ignorant and dumb.

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[SilenceS]

My point was that the kid has just a season and half in , which he batted .285 and .230. We have no real idea what kind of career Avg wise he will have based on what he has done to this point because he really hasn't establish himself yet.
To say it would be a reach for him to hit .250 this yr because his overall Avg is .238 is just plain ignorant and dumb.

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You can get an idea. HE isnt a .230 hitter, but he isnt a .270 hitter right now. .250 is attainable. Like I said, his mechanics have to say consistent or he will continute to have problems. Batting under .200 against lefties isnt going to cut it as an everyday player. I am not saying he is who he is. He still has growth, but this is the year he has to show it. I hope he does fantastic.

 

[Boobaby1]

.250 isn't setting the bar too high, but that's beside the point. As bad as our offense has been the last two years, it would be that much worse without Rizzo. Poor Silence has got nothing.

I guess you can look at it another way too. If the Cubs inked Fielder and kept Cashner, we would have had better offense and pitching because they would not have had to sign E-Jax and Baker and could have thrust a little more money to Sanchez. Sorry, but Shark, Cashner, Sanchez, and Wood would have given the Cubs a better opportunity to be competitive. Wouldn't you say?

 

[HurricaneDij39]

I guess you can look at it another way too. If the Cubs inked Fielder and kept Cashner, we would have had better offense and pitching because they would not have had to sign E-Jax and Baker and could have thrust a little more money to Sanchez. Sorry, but Shark, Cashner, Sanchez, and Wood would have given the Cubs a better opportunity to be competitive. Wouldn't you say?

Well contrary to what you may believe the Fielder option was never on the table in the beginning. It was never even discussed. It was strictly a fans and media issue.

Make up your mind on which move you'd like to argue. The Cashner/Rizzo deal or the decision not to pursue Fielder. Can't have it both ways. Sorry.

 

[patg006]

My point was that the kid has just a season and half in , which he batted .285 and .230. We have no real idea what kind of career Avg wise he will have based on what he has done to this point because he really hasn't establish himself yet.
To say it would be a reach for him to hit .250 this yr because his overall Avg is .238 is just plain ignorant and dumb.

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He has 337 AB where he is a .285 hitter.

He has 734 AB where he is a .217 hitter.

To say the 337 AB outweigh the 734 AB is just dumb and ignorant.

 

[chibears55]

He has 337 AB where he is a .285 hitter.

He has 734 AB where he is a .217 hitter.

To say the 337 AB outweigh the 734 AB is just dumb and ignorant.

Wow.. you really are pathetic

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[dabynsky]

He has 337 AB where he is a .285 hitter.

He has 734 AB where he is a .217 hitter.

To say the 337 AB outweigh the 734 AB is just dumb and ignorant.

Or we could look at 128 AB where he is a .141 hitter or the 943 AB where is a .251 hitter. Or we could agree that we can pick random sections of Rizzo's career to highlight whatever point we want to make.

 

[Boobaby1]

Well contrary to what you may believe the Fielder option was never on the table in the beginning. It was never even discussed. It was strictly a fans and media issue.

Make up your mind on which move you'd like to argue. The Cashner/Rizzo deal or the decision not to pursue Fielder. Can't have it both ways. Sorry.

Okay. Guess they could have re-signed Ramirez at 3rd base and solved that problematic area for the time being, and got a cheap filler to play 1st base. Pretty much the same thing isn't it?

Since pitching wins games, and that is what the Cubs desperately need now, that is one area I wouldn't have rolled the dice on even if Rizzo turns out to be the better end of the deal.

To me, it may have been a better move for them to wait on Rizzo hoping he imploded once again, or simply had no place to go since Alonso was highly regarded, and then traded a lesser talent to obtain him. If not, 1st base is arguably one of the easiest places to fill.

Pitching is the hardest to come by now.....especially for the Cubs.

 

[CSF77]

That was not going to happen with the deal that was cut to buy the team off of Zell. So the whole Fields thing was a pipe dream. This year was the first attempt made at a 100 mil deal and that was after payroll was lowered by 40 mil to do so from the Fielder F/A.

I'm not going to get into if they would have been better or not. Pointless to speculate it.

 

[CSF77]

On Rizzo: Learning curve. year one pitching don't know him. As season moves along they figure him out. Year 2 hitter gets a diet of weakness exposing pitching and struggles until they make it or bust.

Pretty normal stuff here. Too early to tell. What we know: He makes it or Vogy is in the wings and we go through the process again. No one is immune to it.

 

[Boobaby1]

That was not going to happen with the deal that was cut to buy the team off of Zell. So the whole Fields thing was a pipe dream. This year was the first attempt made at a 100 mil deal and that was after payroll was lowered by 40 mil to do so from the Fielder F/A.

I'm not going to get into if they would have been better or not. Pointless to speculate it.

The point was simply that pitching is at a premium these days as it was two years ago and beyond. There were numerous scenarios that the Cubs could have taken is what I am saying. Ramirez at third on short contract and keeping Cashner would have been just as good as signing Fielder long term and would have allowed more flexibility to make moves. That is what I am trying to get across.

Sure Rizzo can rebound, but there are also possibilities within the system in that position. Besides Vogy, you have Olt, and I would hazard to guess that Bryant wouldn't be a bad option either given his size and fielding abilities.

Like I said, it is the easiest to position to place people at.

 

[chibears55]

I love how some goes nuts when the "What Ifs" is brought up about prospects, but have no problem constantly bringing up What Ifs scenarios with FAs..

They moved on from the players that lost back to back 90 games and had high price tags. They decided to go the direction of cleaning house and building up the minor league system.

Wheather we like the way they went about it , it doesn't matter. They did what they wanted to do.

We can spend the whole season talking about who we wish they could've signed and cuss them out for not doing it , it won't make us or the team better.

So , instead of constantly going back to the past and playing What If scenarios with FA moves.
Dont you all think its more useful of your thoughts and time to talk about the prospects and players on the team and the potential or non potential they could bring to your team.

Id rather do that then dwell into the past of players that may not even wanted to come to the cubs in the first place.


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[patg006]

I love how some goes nuts when the "What Ifs" is brought up about prospects, but have no problem constantly bringing up What Ifs scenarios with FAs..

I love how some go nuts when the "What Ifs' of prospects failing is brought up, but have no problem constantly bringing up What Ifs scenarios of a Cubs lineup full of home grown Superstars.

They moved on from the players that lost back to back 90 games and had high price tags. They decided to go the direction of cleaning house and building up the minor league system.

They moved to cheap players that produced the worst two season stretch in the history of the franchise and yet some think that is progress.

Wheather we like the way they went about it , it doesn't matter. They did what they wanted to do.

We can spend the whole season talking about who we wish they could've signed and cuss them out for not doing it , it won't make us or the team better.

So , instead of constantly going back to the past and playing What If scenarios with FA moves.
Dont you all think its more useful of your thoughts and time to talk about the prospects and players on the team and the potential or non potential they could bring to your team.

Id rather do that then dwell into the past of players that may not even wanted to come to the cubs in the first place.

Well by this ignorant logic, no one should watch any of the games or even cheer for the team because that does absolutely nothing either.

 

[Boobaby1]

I love how some goes nuts when the "What Ifs" is brought up about prospects, but have no problem constantly bringing up What Ifs scenarios with FAs..

They moved on from the players that lost back to back 90 games and had high price tags. They decided to go the direction of cleaning house and building up the minor league system.

Wheather we like the way they went about it , it doesn't matter. They did what they wanted to do.

We can spend the whole season talking about who we wish they could've signed and cuss them out for not doing it , it won't make us or the team better.

So , instead of constantly going back to the past and playing What If scenarios with FA moves.
Dont you all think its more useful of your thoughts and time to talk about the prospects and players on the team and the potential or non potential they could bring to your team.

Id rather do that then dwell into the past of players that may not even wanted to come to the cubs in the first place.


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Why have a message board if everyone is going to be drinking Koolaid? That's kinda boring.

This would be a much more exciting board for discussion if people were more in the middle ground area and talking reality, versus being on one side or the other in which, both can be nauseating. :smh:

 

[chibears55]

Why have a message board if everyone is going to be drinking Koolaid? That's kinda boring.

This would be a much more exciting board for discussion if people were more in the middle ground area and talking reality, versus being on one side or the other in which, both can be nauseating. :smh:

Nothing kool aid about what I said. . Did you miss the part I wrote where we can talk about the potential or non potential of players in system or on team. . That going both ways likes and dislikes.

What nauseating is the constant posts of whining and crying over players that was only a hope to be signed.. its been 2 yrs , get over it already.

Hell the tigers moved on from fielder after 2 yrs..

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[beckdawg]

Why have a message board if everyone is going to be drinking Koolaid? That's kinda boring.

Who here is drinking koolaid? I mean seriously the most optimistic people here are saying 70-75 wins. Drinking koolaid would be suggesting they are going to make a run at the playoffs. Has it really come to the point where suggesting they will win 5 more games than the previous season and finish with 85-90 losses makes you a biased homer?