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What was the Bears preseason record the last time they reached the NFC Championship game? How did they look that preseason?
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I don't think anyone is caring about the results (final score) as this is pre-season. It's the sloppiness, the look of a team that has no clue. It looks like they do nothing in training camp.
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How many bad pre-seasons have they had that was followed by equally bad regular seasons? People like to cherry pick out the 2 pre-seasons this franchise has had that was followed by SB appearances, and that's fine as it does happen. These games need to show who is capable of making the team, and what type of coaching is going on with the team.
I guess if they look like they did Saturday in every pre-season game and then go on to win the SB I'll be ecstatic. But to me what I saw Saturday is also what I have seen from a Nagy team since he has been here, particularly on offense, regardless of how many starters were not out there.
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The only caveat to that is that those teams became their historical selves in the regular season.The Bears are looking to avoid being what they have been the last decade. They look exactly the same, including the largely starting units (sloppy, disorganized, confused, out of position, no reasoning to play calls) and maybe even worse at the moment, and that should be of concern.
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I’m not cherry picking at all and they didn’t go to the Super Bowl in 2010. They were just god awful all pre-season and I remember it vividly.
They were incredibly bad Saturday. It doesn’t mean shit.
No Montgomery, no Kmet, no AR, no starting OTs, one snap for Goodwin, no starting RG, one snap for Mooney and a defense with guys not interested in getting injured…
It’s meaningless.
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So how did you feel about the Bills performance? Not sure if you are aware, but that was their 2nd string offense against the Bears first string defense in the first quarter. Bills had hardly any starters play at all the entire game.
If preseason is meaningless how would you be able to judge the players you have on your roster when you have to make cuts? It means more than you seem to give it credit for.
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I'll say this. Defence put in a lot of work Saturday. If I was them, I would be pissed. In fact, if I was an Offensive player trying to make the team I would be pissed as well. Can't show your stuff if you are not on the field.
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The pre-season record doesn't matter. How the team performs (penalties, execution, organization) while the 1s and 2s are out there does. This pre-season has been a shit show.
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Like he said, different coaches have different things they seek to accomplish in preseason. Since you have ZERO clue what either team was choosing to evaluate, your interpretation of the results is what is meaningless…
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Presnap penalties have been on ongoing theme with Nagy teams. It reflects much more on him than the players. I assume it is a lack of discipline as well as the fact Nagy likes to run plays out of every imaginable formation if I remember correctly whereas most teams have more consistent alignments and are good at those alignments
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Wrong!
What I saw was bad tackling, poor execution by every oline player, WRs that could not separate, your the one with ZERO clue, but keep defending Nagy.
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I think they’re a good team and their coach seems to be excited about winning meaningless games. I consider any pre-season game that doesn’t have a serious injury for the Bears a success.
It was their starting offensive line, TEs and running backs. No Allen or Diggs… Gabe Davis is their 2 or 3 at WR depending on how Beasley and Sanders look this year.
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Matt Nagy is a complete jokeI saw this posted in a post game thread on a Bills message board and thought it shared a good perspective.
What say you?
How much does preseason foreshadow the regular season? How concerned should Bear fans be? I tend to side more with this poster
PostGame Thread Bills @ Bears
www.twobillsdrive.com
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So as long as Nagy was trying to make Andy Dalton look like a dogshit QB and the new DC and starting defensive unit as inept, and the special teams a joke, it was a great game.
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I honestly don't know if I've ever seen a special teams unit be this bad even in preseason or peewee football. Not sure how that gets corrected. I assume some of those guys getting destroyed are competing for the team and will need to contribute on special teams.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not sitting here saying they're going to look good in the regular season but i think its flawed thinking to use these results and base the future off of the experience of what a Bills fan is saying.
As Bears fans we've seen the defense looked God awful in the preseason, only to rebound when it matters. but yeah, the offense(especially with Dalton) looks how we basically thought it would. Their OL situation is a disaster.
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I've seen Bears pre-season games for a long time.....I lived thru the Wanny Era and some bad coaches......
You can tell which teams want to be on the field playing their asses off for roster spots and which teams are inspired....
I didn't see any of that from the Bears team...it was fucking embarrassing. We have a lone bright spot on this team that gives me hope.
I also suppose that once the rest of the starters are in everyone will start tackling better and look like they give a shit. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
You can tell which teams want to be on the field playing their asses off for roster spots and which teams are inspired....
I didn't see any of that from the Bears team...it was fucking embarrassing. We have a lone bright spot on this team that gives me hope.
I also suppose that once the rest of the starters are in everyone will start tackling better and look like they give a shit. I guess we'll find out soon enough.
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they're in a strange spot, i think the ST is a wide open competition but it's optimal to have STers who can contribute at other positions, I feel that JonVea and Adams are possibly better WR bottom of the roster guys than STers...then you have Wims who is a good STer...but not a good WR.....it's kind of a mess. The fact they just signed Coulter tells me they want one larger framed WR and think Wims may be cut, it will be interesting to see if they try Coulter on ST this week
I think they should have the rookie CB graham try returning punts
let's face it after mooney the WR group is a bunch of castoffs that can't seem to catch consistently....Ridley can't win contested catches and has some drops..he lacks burst.., Wims can't separate and may or may not make the catch....Byrd has an elite 40 time but doesn't really have much RAC...Adams makes some great catches and then will drop a routine one...I like JonVea quite a bit but they seem to have him slotted below Adams. These guys make Taylor Gabriel look like Jerry Rice.
Dalton can't move and the OL talent Pace has supplied him with is not good.
Pace has built yet another team w/ no depth, he doesn't have depth because he trades up instead of down to acquire more specific picks, when they bust he's lost not one pick but 2 or 3 on each one..... Belichik pans for gold by having more chances...Belichick is aiming for having a team with a high floor, Pace is trying for a team with a high ceiling....
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I am even less confident about the season after the Bills game than I was before. I think .500 is a lofty goal for this team. Nagy will lose his job after the year; I doubt he gets fired during the season. Pace should be fired. Both have been given ample time. Though, I am excited about Fields’ future.
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Not defending Nagy. It was a preseason game. Nothing less…and certainly nothing more than that.