The Ugly Truth as Told by a Bills Fan.

[iueyedoc]

We didn’t play our first string offense. Not even half of it. Nor did we play our starting DL. Stop overreacting to a glorified practice…

Keep telling yourself that, even though Dalton played every snap with Mustipher, Whitehair, and Borom and the all defensive starters available sans Ro Smith played/rotated at least 2 series (2TD's)

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

i think Nagy is better suited as a coordinator of some kind. not sure he gets respect of players a head coach should.

Well, this part of your post I tend to agree.

Hey, it's almost as if Nagy could've done better in the preseason games. he could have prepared them to get in and out of huddles, to play physical football and establish a die-hard mentality that when they suit up they are to fight and fight hard.

Don't make the mistake that just because preseason scoreboards don't matter that the reps themselves also don't matter.

Everything works together to show the players what kind of a coach Nagy is.

 

[Anytime23]

You are probably right but when Nagy is playcalling the offense to a couple of field goals in the first half against GB, does it matter that the defense only allows 13 - 17 instead of 28 like the Bills? Not really.

Preaching to the choir

 

[Anytime23]

i think Nagy is better suited as a coordinator of some kind. not sure he gets respect of players a head coach should.

I disagree with this 100%. His time in Chicago has proven the exact opposite.

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

Exactly. We may suck this year. But 2 meaningless preseason games do absolutely NOTHING to prove it will happen or not…

No one is claiming proof of anything. Concerns are completely legitimate. Nagy has in no way earned benefit of anyone's doubt anywhere.

What was the Bears preseason record the last time they reached the NFC Championship game? How did they look that preseason?

Logical fallacy. If the one always follows the other, every Bears team ever should lose every preseason game on principle. Getting molly-whomped in the preseason is not a logical strategy for success moving forward (as bizarre as that is to say out loud on this board).

 

[Zvbxrpl]

Didn't the Detroit Lions go 4-0 in preseason the year they went 0-16?

***Anecdotal evidence fan opinion alert***

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

We didn’t play our first string offense. Not even half of it. Nor did we play our starting DL. Stop overreacting to a glorified practice…

Neither did the Bills.

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

Like he said, different coaches have different things they seek to accomplish in preseason. Since you have ZERO clue what either team was choosing to evaluate, your interpretation of the results is what is meaningless…

Oh give me a break with this bullshit. Anyone who understands the fundamentals of football knows the Bears were lethargic, sloppy, confused, out-muscled, out-hustled, and needed someone to throw the damn towel.

Every phase of the game.

Don't act like it's a "mystery what Nagy was actually choosing to evaluate". It doesn't even fucking matter that we don't know because there was literally nothing good to evaluate at all with the 1's. Period.

Stop conflating the fact that the score is meaningless to the fact that the reps are deeply meaningful.

"Glorified practice"

Uh, ok? So fucking what?

It was a shitty practice. Dreadful. Trashy

AND yet AGAIN Nagy seems like he is clueless on ideas to fix it.

Given his track record of bottom tier offenses the last couple years, stop acting like you alone understand this is preseason and everyone around you is some irrational Chicken Little with ZERO reason to be concerned?? The fuck you say?

 

[roadwarrior_joe]

I honestly don't know if I've ever seen a special teams unit be this bad even in preseason or peewee football. Not sure how that gets corrected. I assume some of those guys getting destroyed are competing for the team and will need to contribute on special teams.

it's the team depth, will be a problem all year. Pace needed to be fired last year and his moves will hurt this team for years.

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

I disagree with this 100%. His time in Chicago has proven the exact opposite.

I was agreeing with the part that the players don't respect him very highly as a head coach.

I think he is a pushover but in a very different way than Trestman. Not nearly as severe but I really think deep down the players have ZERO respect for his football acumen.

 

[iueyedoc]

Didn't the Detroit Lions go 4-0 in preseason the year they went 0-16?

***Anecdotal evidence fan opinion alert***

Why does everyone keep referencing preseason records when talking about preseason games not mattering?
Has anyone ever said a teams preseason record matters?

 

[Anytime23]

I was agreeing with the part that the players don't respect him very highly as a head coach.

I think he is a pushover but in a very different way than Trestman. Not nearly as severe but I really think deep down the players have ZERO respect for his football acumen.

Idk. We've seen guys show disrespect and do stupid stuff despite being told not too but i think something has to be said for a defense that has managed to still play most games despite having an offense so putrid. The other year i posed a stat. I think it was from FBO. The Bears were in uncharted territory in terms of how bad the offense was playing and how well the defense managed to still play despite getting absolutely no help. I dont think you can do that without a guy who has respect of the locker room.

Nagy comes off very likable. I can see why guys like him and he's a great bullshit artist. But i think if he keeps up this Dalton charade, he will lose guys quickly. I wonder what these guys think of Pace.

 

[Zvbxrpl]

Why does everyone keep referencing preseason records when talking about preseason games not mattering?
Has anyone ever said a teams preseason record matters?

Why did I respond to the OP's thread that a fan thinks preseason play IS indicative of what the team will look like in the regular season by giving an example that's the antithesis of said fan's thoughts because I disagree with it?

Read the OP's post then try and find 2 brain cells and let them collide for a coherent thought--then respond to the thread, pumpkin.

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

Idk. We've seen guys show disrespect and do stupid stuff despite being told not too but i think something has to be said for a defense that has managed to still play most games despite having an offense so putrid. The other year i posed a stat. I think it was from FBO. The Bears were in uncharted territory in terms of how bad the offense was playing and how well the defense managed to still play despite getting absolutely no help. I dont think you can do that without a guy who has respect of the locker room.

Nagy comes off very likable. I can see why guys like him and he's a great bullshit artist. But i think if he keeps up this Dalton charade, he will lose guys quickly. I wonder what these guys think of Pace.

Liking =/= respecting.

I think guys like Cohen et al can be as soft as they want to be. I also remember hearing rumors of defensive players getting chippy before play calling was handed over to Lazor.

Nagy may be good at holding off a mutiny but if my suspicions are right and he doesn't get better at this soon, he won't last too much longer without issues coming to light.

 

[Anytime23]

Liking =/= respecting.

I think guys like Cohen et al can be as soft as they want to be. I also remember hearing rumors of defensive players getting chippy before play calling was handed over to Lazor.

Nagy may be good at holding off a mutiny but if my suspicions are right and he doesn't get better at this soon, he won't last too much longer without issues coming to light.

Yeah i think time has ran out, especially when you've got Fields waiting in the wings.

Im here for the madness.

 

[Outlaw Josey Cutler]

Why did I respond to the OP's thread that a fan thinks preseason play IS indicative of what the team will look like in the regular season by giving an example that's the antithesis of said fan's thoughts because I disagree with it?

Read the OP's post then try and find 2 brain cells and let them collide for a coherent thought--then respond to the thread, pumpkin.

You were responding to @playthrough2001 's bizarre take on a bad preseason when the Bears had a great regular season following it.

I think @iueyedoc is still fighting @Visionman 's bullshit handwaving of preseason in its totality - not just records for him but including every little detail as if nothing matters at all.

Falling right in line with how Nagy WANTS us to see it if you recall his presser.

 

[iueyedoc]

Why did I respond to the OP's thread that a fan thinks preseason play IS indicative of what the team will look like in the regular season by giving an example that's the antithesis of said fan's thoughts because I disagree with it?

Read the OP's post then try and find 2 brain cells and let them collide for a coherent thought--then respond to the thread, pumpkin.

You mean the post referring to sloppiness of play, bad coaching, lack of fundamentals, etc and never mentions preseason record? And only my closest friends call me pumpkin.

 

[modo]

What was the Bears preseason record the last time they reached the NFC Championship game? How did they look that preseason?

it has nothing to do with the preseason record....if your team looks like an nfl team and loses a preseason game thats fine.....if it looks like the keystone cops and loses it is a bad look....no one cares about the record

is your team tackling?
does it look like it cares?
are people in the correct spot?

its not the record

 

[BriGuy]

Like who?

As an Eagles fan, at one point years ago they were like 2-14 or 1-15 in preaseason games the 4 years combined. They made it to the NFC championship game either 3 out of those 4 years or all 4 years.

 

[puckthefackers]

holy crap, nobody cares that the Bears lost a preseason game to the Bills. What fans on this mb with brains care about is how inept the Bears continue to look no matter who Nagy puts out there.

back to back false starts, we've seen this shit way too often. WR not coming back to the ball with a purpose on scrambles, we see this shit way too often.

lack of teaching/coaching. lack of fundamental basics being demonstrated. anyone else sick of the Bears looking like a jv squad when they go up against top tier competition around the league? I know I am.