The Vikings are stupid.

[FozzyBear]

I want them to extend Cousins

He is better than any QB the Bears ever had. IDK Y people just look past Kirk like he's ass. Sure he hasnt won anything, but for a 4th rd pick, hes been good. One could argue hes the second best QB from a notable 12 class.

1st rounders:
Luck didnt last, RG3 flamed out. Ryan Tannehill has been slightly worse statistically. Brandon Weedon, yeah that happened.

2nd round:
Brock Osweiler

3rd round:
Russell Wilson (best) and Nick Foles, SB winner but Meh.

4th Round:
The Kirk

Hes better than Stafford TD/Int and completion % wise. Yet Stafford makes the Rams SB contenders?!?!

It must be Kirks van game.

 

[Bearly]

You guys are crazy. If Fields doesn't work out, the Vikings made the right move.

Nobody knows right now. For all we know he's RGIII in a few years.

What? They wanted him and offered ridiculous trade offers. It doesn't matter if Fields works out. They showed a high level of incompetence and insulted their potential trade partners. Dumb luck is not making the right move. Sometimes the right moves don't work out. Doesn't mean they are the wrong moves when made.

The only thing I can think of is that they thought there was a decent chance of Fields falling to them but to offer what they did was kind of an ignorant act of futility.

 

[Bearly]

He is better than any QB the Bears ever had. IDK Y people just look past Kirk like he's ass. Sure he hasnt won anything, but for a 4th rd pick, hes been good. One could argue hes the second best QB from a notable 12 class.

1st rounders:
Luck didnt last, RG3 flamed out. Ryan Tannehill has been slightly worse statistically. Brandon Weedon, yeah that happened.

2nd round:
Brock Osweiler

3rd round:
Russell Wilson (best) and Nick Foles, SB winner but Meh.

4th Round:
The Kirk

Hes better than Stafford TD/Int and completion % wise. Yet Stafford makes the Rams SB contenders?!?!

It must be Kirks van game.

What does being a 4th round pick have top do with anything when you're on your 2nd team with a $33m/yr contract.

 

[Bearly]

Pace knew he needed to save his job. He was going to do pretty much whatever it took to make a splashy pick.

Add in the fact that Pace has often given up too much in trades or free agency so giving up a 1st rounder probably came pretty easy to him.

That said, I am glad he did what he did. Landing a guy like Fields is like a dream come true.

He did limit his offer to the range it was acquired. He was not selling the farm this time.

 

[twetz]

We'll get to watch the Christian Darrisaw/Kellen Mond (the 'queens traded back past where the Bears original pick was) vs. Fields/Jenkins play out twice a season for what could be a lot of years. Prior to the draft I was thinking that the tackle in the first, second tier QB in the second was the most likely path that Pace was going to be on.

Isn't this period of the NFL the worst - too long to wait for training camps and games to start?

 

[FozzyBear]

What does being a 4th round pick have top do with anything when you're on your 2nd team with a $33m/yr contract.

It means, people obviously cant evaluate the position. It also means someone values him enough to pay 33 mil. If he was a pure scrub as some see him as, well He'd be getting a ham sandwich.

 

[Bearly]

I doubt he's looked upon as a 'pure scrub' by anyone here but since you brought him up in this Fields thread, by all accounts, the team Cousins is on would have drafted Fields if available.

We all know drafting QBs is hard ( I say it constantly) and it's why stuff like the OP becomes background noise in an overall evaluation.

 

[iueyedoc]

Linking an Erik Lamebert article should be a bannable offense. Panthers didn't practicall laugh, the GM just said no. Just lazy fucking writing.

As to Minn offer, they never owned the 43, they did however own the 143, which they traded minutes later, so the video just doesn't capture the full audio of what was actually offered, 90 and 143. Pick numbers 43 and 90 , the proper ordinal way in which a human would have presented the numbers would likely have been accepted, as a 2nd and 3rd this year holds possibly even more value than a future 1st.

I mean come on, this is your "job," at least have enough pride to do just a bit of research, and get shit more correct than an optometrist can while having his morning coffee and first shit of the day.

 

[Visionman]

Doesn’t matter how Fields turns out. If Darrisaw and Mond work out for them, they will be happy about how the draft played out. Many on ccs would have been happy with a Darrisaw/Mond draft for us in the first 2 rounds!

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

A lot of people here, myself included, would have loved Darrisaw at #20.

 

[dentfan]

watch-carolina-practically-laughs-at-vikings-offer-for-justin-fields

They could've had Justin Fields if they would've given up a 1st rounder, but alas they only wanted to give up a 2nd and 3rd rounder. Pace knew what had to be done. Teams were looking for a next year's 1st when Fields was still in play.

This is why thank God I'm a Bears' fan. At least the Bears org. show some flashes of competency while the Vikings and Lions don't.

I can't remember which podcast it was, but I'm pretty sure it was Locked on Bears that had the guy from Minnesota on. This guy was so distraught and it would have been an absolute troll-job if the Bears host wasn't so personable. But, the point is that the Minnie guy said that management was more involved in draft value than in anything else.

They put out an insulting offer because they're so wrapped up in draft value. The Minnie guy gave a nice hypothetical saying how would Bears fans have felt with the value that Minnie got over getting fields and ihop Jenkins.

Look, Mond was my definite pick of the best of what was around, but we got the belle of the ball and, like the host of the Under Center podcast, I don't speak third round QB anymore.

So, long story short,

Fuck the Vikings!

These dumbass, penny pinching misers are going to get theirs.

 

[PrideisBears]

It means, people obviously cant evaluate the position. It also means someone values him enough to pay 33 mil. If he was a pure scrub as some see him as, well He'd be getting a ham sandwich.

Pace valued Glennon at 45 million. Just because a GM "values" someone doesn't make them any better than they actually are. Cousins is a Stat stuffer but gets zero results and I hope he remains a viking forever

 

[dentfan]

But hey, they got future bust Kellen Mond in the third!

People who don't want to give up firsts for franchise QBs are idiots. Idiots!

I was and remained the don't give up two firsts for a QB crowd, but, 1 was a reasonable amount to move up.

I wish all the best to Mond, but just not in Minnesota.

 

[Hawkeye OG]

I was and remained the don't give up two firsts for a QB crowd, but, 1 was a reasonable amount to move up.

I wish all the best to Mond, but just not in Minnesota.

It sucks giving up firsts, but honestly look at the Bears first rounders the past decade. You have Kyle Fuller and Kyle Long that lived up to their draft position. And really, how many wins are those guys even worth in a season? That's why I was always on the do whatever it takes to get a franchise QB. Nothing else really matters if you don't have a QB in this league. Fields has the potential to be a top QB, well worth it. It's awesome the Bears only had to give up one first though. Couldn't have worked out better.

I have a buddy who is a Vikings fan. Texted me after the draft and was very upset Fields fell to the Bears because he wanted him. Then said he was excited about Mond. I think Mond is a fine prospect, but Fields ceiling is so much higher. I picture Mond as a middle of the road QB at best.

 

[iueyedoc]

Doesn’t matter how Fields turns out. If Darrisaw and Mond work out for them, they will be happy about how the draft played out. Many on ccs would have been happy with a Darrisaw/Mond draft for us in the first 2 rounds!

No, many would not have been. Imagine trying to convince yourself Kellen Mond could be a future top 10 NFL QB.

 

[dentfan]

No, many would not have been. Imagine trying to convince yourself Kellen Mond could be a future top 10 NFL QB.

Especially within the context of the Vikings having moved up and snagged Fields and we got stuck with Mond.

 

[Black Rainbow]

What? They wanted him and offered ridiculous trade offers. It doesn't matter if Fields works out. They showed a high level of incompetence and insulted their potential trade partners. Dumb luck is not making the right move. Sometimes the right moves don't work out. Doesn't mean they are the wrong moves when made.

The only thing I can think of is that they thought there was a decent chance of Fields falling to them but to offer what they did was kind of an ignorant act of futility.

Some organizations value additional 1st round picks more than Pace does.

Our trading of picks will catch up to us this year. I cannot believe how many of you cannot see it coming.

 

[Black Rainbow]

It sucks giving up firsts, but honestly look at the Bears first rounders the past decade. You have Kyle Fuller and Kyle Long that lived up to their draft position. And really, how many wins are those guys even worth in a season? That's why I was always on the do whatever it takes to get a franchise QB. Nothing else really matters if you don't have a QB in this league. Fields has the potential to be a top QB, well worth it. It's awesome the Bears only had to give up one first though. Couldn't have worked out better.

I have a buddy who is a Vikings fan. Texted me after the draft and was very upset Fields fell to the Bears because he wanted him. Then said he was excited about Mond. I think Mond is a fine prospect, but Fields ceiling is so much higher. I picture Mond as a middle of the road QB at best.

Same thing was said about Cutler.

 

[BradyJay]

The Bears got their guy w/o having to give up 3 firsts + ... it was a huge victory imo

 

[Bearly]

Some organizations value additional 1st round picks more than Pace does.

Our trading of picks will catch up to us this year. I cannot believe how many of you cannot see it coming.

The only times Pace has traded away 1st round picks without receiving the same amount of them in return was for Fields and for Mack in which case we got a 2nd round pick in return for the 2 1sts given up for Mack. I still make both those trades.

His trade errors have a lot more to do with wasting capitol on move ups for Floyd and Mitch than not valuing 1st round selections. Foles fits here as well. The Floyd move was not ill considered. Mitch was beer goggles. White is an unknown in terms of draft value but he and Floyd went in their predicted draft slots.

It's more about trading away middle round picks but after this last draft is an odd time to note the wasting of picks. The values were appropriate for what was given.