This is a pretty good read.

[FirstTimer]

Still not saying what of my Opinion was wrong. Not one time in my post did I say the throw needed to be made. I said it wasn't as bad a throw as you make it out to be, and I stand by that.

Edit: On that same type of thinking, every long throw not done on a 3rd and long would be risky and not need to be thrown given the down and distance.

You're an idiot. Seriously.

It was a risky throw on 1st and 10 deep in your own territory to a bracketed WR across the field. You don't see how Cutler shares culpability on that INT?

As to your second point. It's even more idiotic. I never took issue with long throws in general on 1st or 2nd down.

 

[Warrior Spirit]

I cant respond cause Scoot says Im badgering you...sorry

I have thick skin so we'll allow it. Do you seriously believe the Bears' would go after the best young QB they could if they're spending 19 mil on the position already?

 

[FirstTimer]

Jay knows it better..He played under Trestman and his system...BTW..Please stop asking me questions or responding cause I dont want to be accused of badgering again...sorry, but we cant play anymore..Scoot doesnt like it

Trestman's system isn't that unique. Sorry.

 

[Willis1524]

You're an idiot. Seriously.

It was a risky throw on 1st and 10 deep in your own territory to a bracketed WR across the field. You don't see how Cutler has shares culpability on that INT?

As to your second point. It's even more idiotic. I never took issue with long throws in general on 1st or 2nd down.

Okay. You and I clearly have different ideas of what constitutes a risky throw, and what should be caught.

 

[Nail Polish]

Trestman's system isn't that unique. Sorry.

Id still rather have a guy who has actually played under it, than someone who hasnt.

Look FT..Were never gonna agree on this issue..I say franchise Jay, you say dump him...Thats about it, and we will never come to an agreement...lets leave it there

 

[FirstTimer]

Okay. You and I clearly have different ideas of what constitutes a risky throw, and what should be caught.

I never said the ball "shouldn't have been caught". I didn't even give Jay 100% of the blame on that throw. But you're sitting here absolving Jay of any and all blame because a risky pass hit Jeffery in the hands? :andruw:

 

[BearsFan51]

Solid read. Its what many of us have been saying before the CDF (Cutler Defense Force) comes storming in and screaming at everyone.

Adding to this Cutler is likely to cost $18-million, a rookie QB drafted in the 18 to 24 range is going to cost around $1.8-million. If QBs are having success in Trestman's offense because of Trestman and the design of his offense, wouldn't it be in the best interest of rebuilding the defense to invest that $16.2 million in cap savings in rebuilding that aging side of the ball?

 

[FirstTimer]

Id still rather have a guy who has actually played under it, then someone who hasnt.

Look FT..Were never gonna agree on this issue..I say franchise Jay, you say dump him...Thats about it, and we will never come to an agreement...lets leave it there

I've never once said that. You can't read.

 

[nwfisch]

Adding to this Cutler is likely to cost $18-million, a rookie QB drafted in the 18 to 24 range is going to cost around $1.8-million. If QBs are having success in Trestman's offense because of Trestman and the design of his offense, wouldn't it be in the best interest of rebuilding the defense to invest that $16.2 million in cap savings in rebuilding that aging side of the ball?

597 posts, and you made a good point :clap:....

Not only that, we can look at KC and the defense that Emery had his fingerprints on in Berry, Houston etc.

 

[Nail Polish]

For FT...

Well, then whats your point??

Keep Jay?..Franchise him? Trade him??

 

[HeHateMe]

Adding to this Cutler is likely to cost $18-million, a rookie QB drafted in the 18 to 24 range is going to cost around $1.8-million. If QBs are having success in Trestman's offense because of Trestman and the design of his offense, wouldn't it be in the best interest of rebuilding the defense to invest that $16.2 million in cap savings in rebuilding that aging side of the ball?

Yes, it would make pretty good sense. If it comes down to the BPA being either a QB or a DT, I'm going to go with DT though, because McCown is capable of winning a championship because he's shown he can run Trestman's system so well.

 

[Desperado34]

yep. cutler is over rated.

 

[Willis1524]

I never said the ball "shouldn't have been caught". I didn't even give Jay 100% of the blame on that throw. But you're sitting here absolving Jay of any and all blame because a risky pass hit Jeffery in the hands? :andruw:

No, you ignore questions I ask, and resort to names and gifs. It is fine if you have a different opinion than mine. I believe throws that hit a receiver directly in both hands, should be caught, and there is no line there for error. Cutler threw a pass that hit Jeffery in both hands. End of story for me. He should have caught it, therefore absolving Cutler of the blame. If you don't agree, fine. That is my opinion, and the fact that the bracket help was still five yards away from Jeffery is not wrong.

 

[gwharris2254]

Quote Originally Posted by Willis1524 View Post
All excellent points, and if some of the Cutler "haters" discussed Cutler like this, it probably wouldn't turn into the usual garbage arguments. I personally believe that Cutler is progressing, and I have seen him make less stupid decisions. Both of those could also be attributed to the things you have pointed out, but I still feel the Bears should stick with Cutler in the short term, and draft another QB. That is all I can really say.
Really, a lot of us do. However, your post shows some of the issue too - to address us as "haters" doesn't exactly lend towards conducive discussions.

But when you have BearsBud and HeHateMe just going after people for bringing up the possibility of it being ok to move on from Cutler, that sort of thing tends to push people who might be more in the middle of the argument to the opposite side.

If EVERYONE could discuss this like that, it would be better.

However, there are some, like those I mentioned who aren't interested really in the discussion - they're more interested in defending Cutler. And for people like that, then yeah, when you realize breath is wasted you tend to say "**** it" and just really dick around with them, until such a time as they make a salient point that is actually discussion-worthy and actually deserves an intelligent response.
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I think Cutler was progressing before his injury too. I feel he still regresses however, but its a learning experience for him.
I betcha Jay is telling McCown that everytime he throws a couple TDs its costing him a "million a year ".... and he'd be right in that eval. Every game that McCown plays well and runs that O efficiently will be costing Jay a million a year ..... from the BEARs and their offer ........

If McCown continues to play well and Jay comes back and is smooth once again, like in the beginning of the year, you offer him $15 million a year.
We wouldn't need to draft a QB with McCown and PALMER.... How come nobody realizes that Palmer ran that O after one week prep WELL...... We definitely don't need a developmental draft choice like the last couple we drafted when we already have Palmer to develop.

The question is will Jay accept $15 million a year ?
If he does then we can Go All D in the draft or two and use FA and maybe an occasional draft pick like Marques Wilson late to develop. ((( Except we do need to grab a center........ )))

I think we are all taking this supposed controversy too far. We have 3 very good QBs and are looking good there at least for this year.

 

[FirstTimer]

For FT...

Well, then whats your point??

Keep Jay?..Franchise him? Trade him??

That blindly just saying "Well screw it, franchise him." and giving him $19 million to "try out" or "mentor" a young QB that Trestman obviously wants to have long term is a bad cap decision given the context of all the work the Bears need to do on building depth and restocking talent(especially on defense). If you are going to draft a young QB with intentions of him being "the guy" later on, do not franchise or re-sign Jay Cutler. It would be a better move money wise and for the overall health of the team to save the money and apply it elsewhere.

If you(Trestman and Emery) want to keep Cutler because. Fine. Sign him long term or whatever but fans need to drop the charade that moving on from Cutler would be so difficult to replace his production as it really wouldn't be when looking around the NFL at what young QB's and journeyman vets are doing.

 

[FirstTimer]

No, you ignore questions I ask, and resort to names and gifs. It is fine if you have a different opinion than mine. I believe throws that hit a receiver directly in both hands, should be caught,

I never said or implied otherwise.

therefore absolving Cutler of the blame. .

So based on this. Cutler could throw a highly contested ball into quadruple coverage and as long as it hits the WR's hands Cutler has NO CULPABILITY in the outcome of the play? Wow.

 

[Nail Polish]

That blindly just saying "Well screw it, franchise him." and giving him $19 million to "try out" or "mentor" a young QB that Trestman obviously wants to have long term is a bad cap decision given the context of all the work the Bears need to do on building depth and restocking talent(especially on defense). If you are going to draft a young QB with intentions of him being "the guy" later on, do not franchise or re-sign Jay Cutler. It would be a better move money wise and for the overall health of the team to save the money and apply it elsewhere.

If you(Trestman and Emery) want to keep Cutler because. Fine. Sign him long term or whatever but fans need to drop the charade that moving on from Cutler would be so difficult to replace his production as it really wouldn't be when looking around the NFL at what young QB's and journeyman vets are doing.

Well, it's not blindly saying franchise him...Its said by me out of the Bears past history of drafting QB's...It's a risky proposition to begin with, and the Bears have been horrible at it...By Franchising Jay, we can at least keep the status quo in place in case we have another QB drafting blunder

 

[FirstTimer]

.Its said by me out of the Bears past history of drafting QB's.

Why does that history matter at all? None of the individuals in charge of those drafts are with the Bears. You trust Trestman and Emery to basically rebuild and restock an entire team correct?

If you can't trust them to get the most important position in team sports correct, how can you trust them with anything else?

 

[Desperado34]

Derp. More stupid shit. When orton was available, people wantes him since they thought he could take the starting job from jay. Then people wanted to see Hanie, until they saw Hanie. Now people want to go with mccown. Are any of these not lesser QBs than Jay? Keep In mind I said lesser QBs. Not lesser arm strength, not lesser athletic, lesser QB. Now take what you know about what goes into a quarterback and apply it.

I remember that and with Hanie. I was seriously dumbfounded.

 

[Willis1524]

I never said or implied otherwise.


So based on this. Cutler could throw a highly contested ball into quadruple coverage and as long as it hits the WR's hands Cutler has NO CULPABILITY in the outcome of the play? Wow.

Obviously there are exceptions to every rule. That play you are talking about would be a **** it throw, and if the WR manages to catch it, I would put all the glory on the receiver and none for Cutler. The Jeffery play is not even close to that, as the help you say the CB had was still five yards away.