Thomas Brown for Head Coach

[msadows]

No they wouldn’t

Yes they would

 

[playthrough2001]

Played as well as Williams? When half of those guys started playing you could take a guys head off across the middle and with the contact that was allowed most teams were running 21 personnel trying to hit a deep pass to the outside receiver.. to which coaches answered with the Tampa 2. Do you think passing stats from 1984 are equivalent to today?

And if it’s just athletes as I’m sure you think, then why was Desmond Howard rather pedestrian in the NFL? Cause he didn’t have talent? Or cause the rules were different.

As the league opened things up, you don’t find the difference between Drew Brees in San Diego and New Orleans to be rather telling?

The problem with your whole schtick is that he has to come out and play next year and if he’s not Peyton manning circa 1999, what will you say then?

Good lord you’re all over the place and wide generalizations seem to be your way to try to fit your beliefs to your narratives.

Brees struggled in San Diego early because he had trouble processing. As he gained experience, the game slowed down for him. I watched him get pulled for Doug Flutie more than once because of his issues. He started playing good football as a Charger too. He continued to improve and was exceptional in New Orleans with a better system and a top offensive head coach. Plus, Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis understood the importance of having a top tier offensive line.

Further, all the West Coast offense disciples that came from the Walsh tree were attacking defenses in a much more sophisticated manner than described in your simplistic example. The beauty was taking what the defense was giving and constantly exploiting plus matchups.

Finally, I don’t predetermine anything. I’ll see how Williams plays and judge accordingly. Intelligent people take their time and don’t jump to rash conclusions.

You should try it.

 

[remydat]

I made a statement and backed it up with screenshots. you tried counter arguing a passing debate with a fumble stat..

Yes I have data and went through all the Waldron games and posted screenshots of all the "almost INT" you can compare those games with just the lions game I have also posted and see how much it has "skyrocketed" for Brown.

Now if you want to add in your own screenshots of "almost INT" from waldron I would be happy to critique them and compare them to what I have already posted.

But remember dont post screenshots of fumbles. the debate is not about fumbles (you seem to get confused in this regard so I thought it was best to remind you)

I look forward to your posts. or you can always run away like a coward crying about fumbles. dont really care either way

Screenshots are not data. For it to be data you need to review all the games and add up the TWPs from all games and then compare. You didnt do that. You picked one game dumbass. One game doesnt prove anything.

If you actually had data you would not have tried to doctor PFF data and failed so miserably at it.

 

[dbldrew]

Screenshots are not data. For it to be data you need to review all the games and add up the TWPs from all games and then compare. You didnt do that. You picked one game dumbass. One game doesnt prove anything.

If you actually had data you would not have tried to doctor PFF data and failed so miserably at it.

Screenshots are visual data that everyone can then see. And I did all the games from Waldron as well and posted all the "almost INT" screenshots from those games as well.

 

[remydat]

Screenshots are visual data that everyone can then see. And I did all the games from Waldron as well and posted all the "almost INT" screenshots from those games as well.

No by themselves they are not data. Data in this context would be numerical and something we can compare.

What was the total number of TWPs under Waldron (post screenshots) vs Brown?

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

Brees struggled in San Diego early because he had trouble processing. As he gained experience, the game slowed down for him. I watched him get pulled for Doug Flutie more than once because of his issues. He started playing good football as a Charger too. He continued to improve and was exceptional in New Orleans with a better system and a top offensive head coach. Plus, Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis understood the importance of having a top tier offensive line.

This is a bit of an overstatement. Brees never had trouble processing. His first year as a starter he started every game and threw 526 passes. He was never pulled for Flutie. His second year as a starter he tried to play through a shoulder injury and his performance suffered. His third year he was a pro bowl QB with a 27-7 TD/INT split, which was really good for that era.

 

[dbldrew]

No by themselves they are not data. Data in this context would be numerical and something we can compare.

What was the total number of TWPs under Waldron (post screenshots) vs Brown?

Numbers are meaningless.. like I could say there was 62 "almost INT" after Brown. This stat is subjective so without a screenshot to show what I consider an "almost INT" that 62 number doesn't really mean anything.

(The 62 is just an example, no need to vortex about that number. It's just an example)

So I posted all the screenshots of almost INT from all the Waldron games, and so far just the lions game for Brown. Was going to do all the Brown games but there really isn't much of a point considering I don't need anymore for Brown to make my point.

Feel free to do your own evaluation and post screen shots of your own and I will critique them as well.

 

[playthrough2001]

This is a bit of an overstatement. Brees never had trouble processing. His first year as a starter he started every game and threw 526 passes. He was never pulled for Flutie. His second year as a starter he tried to play through a shoulder injury and his performance suffered. His third year he was a pro bowl QB with a 27-7 TD/INT split, which was really good for that era.

I didn’t say he was pulled for Flutie his first year starting but early in his career in San Diego. One of those instances was at Soldier Field in a loss to the Bears. I was there. Brees was benched three separate times before the shoulder injury.

He definitely had processing issues early in his career. It happens to most young QBs.

 

[remydat]

Numbers are meaningless.. like I could say there was 62 "almost INT" after Brown. This stat is subjective so without a screenshot to show what I consider an "almost INT" that 62 number doesn't really mean anything.

(The 62 is just an example, no need to vortex about that number. It's just an example)

So I posted all the screenshots of almost INT from all the Waldron games, and so far just the lions game for Brown. Was going to do all the Brown games but there really isn't much of a point considering I don't need anymore for Brown to make my point.

Feel free to do your own evaluation and post screen shots of your own and I will critique them as well.

Where are the screenshots from all Waldron games? What post was it?

 

[dbldrew]

Where are the screenshots from all Waldron games? What post was it?

Here I will post all the "almost INT" screenshots from Waldrons games below..

Go ahead and double check to make sure I didn't miss any and post your own screenshots of you think there was any I missed

Here is all the ones I could find..

 

[remydat]

Here I will post all the "almost INT" screenshots from Waldrons games below..

Go ahead and double check to make sure I didn't miss any and post your own screenshots of you think there was any I missed

Here is all the ones I could find..

Right so you lied. Got it.

 

[dbldrew]

Right so you lied. Got it.

nope, you are probably confused because I didnt post screenshots of fumbles. Remember the debate has nothing to do with fumbles. odd that I have to keep reminding you of that but no problem. I posted all the "almost INT" I could find. feel free to do the same and we can compare. Or if you want to admit my assessment is correct then that works as well.

 

[remydat]

nope, you are probably confused because I didnt post screenshots of fumbles. Remember the debate has nothing to do with fumbles. odd that I have to keep reminding you of that but no problem. I posted all the "almost INT" I could find. feel free to do the same and we can compare. Or if you want to admit my assessment is correct then that works as well.

Right so you lied. Got it.

 

[dbldrew]

Right so you lied. Got it.

Nope the only one who has lied has been you MR JV almost went pro but missed out on your proday because you went big game hunting..

But if you want to say I'm wrong then you are going to actually have to post the screenshots to prove it.. Otherwise you have conceded to me being right.. So post up your evidence or run away like a coward because you know I'm right

 

[remydat]

Nope the only one who has lied has been you MR JV almost went pro but missed out on your proday because you went big game hunting..

But if you want to say I'm wrong then you are going to actually have to post the screenshots to prove it.. Otherwise you have conceded to me being right.. So post up your evidence or run away like a coward because you know I'm right

Right so you lied. Got it.

 

[dbldrew]

Right so you lied. Got it.

nobody believes this, Everyone knows how batshit crazy you are with being right. So you absolutely refusing to post screenshots that "prove" Im wrong shows that I'm right. You looked into it.. found out I was correct.. and now you are vortexing into calling me a liar rather then admit I was right. You cant post screenshots because they dont exist..

 

[Hoodey]

Good lord you’re all over the place and wide generalizations seem to be your way to try to fit your beliefs to your narratives.

Brees struggled in San Diego early because he had trouble processing. As he gained experience, the game slowed down for him. I watched him get pulled for Doug Flutie more than once because of his issues. He started playing good football as a Charger too. He continued to improve and was exceptional in New Orleans with a better system and a top offensive head coach. Plus, Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis understood the importance of having a top tier offensive line.

Further, all the West Coast offense disciples that came from the Walsh tree were attacking defenses in a much more sophisticated manner than described in your simplistic example. The beauty was taking what the defense was giving and constantly exploiting plus matchups.

Finally, I don’t predetermine anything. I’ll see how Williams plays and judge accordingly. Intelligent people take their time and don’t jump to rash conclusions.

You should try it.

As rules opened the game up, Brees became much much much more effective

In 1984?

Any moron can look back and say “turns out he was awesome.” The skill is in predicting it now. When it has to be the coach because Caleb is supposedly so great. Then the coach gets fired and it’s all the offensive line. Even though I’m sitting there getting to a five count while he holds it.

I thought you were done safe space? No?

 

[playthrough2001]

As rules opened the game up, Brees became much much much more effective

In 1984?

Any moron can look back and say “turns out he was awesome.” The skill is in predicting it now. When it has to be the coach because Caleb is supposedly so great. Then the coach gets fired and it’s all the offensive line. Even though I’m sitting there getting to a five count while he holds it.

I thought you were done safe space? No?

I’m shocked you can count to five. I love that you’re an internet tough guy too.

Impressive stuff…

I’m going to have to stop picking on idiots.

 

[remydat]

nobody believes this, Everyone knows how batshit crazy you are with being right. So you absolutely refusing to post screenshots that "prove" Im wrong shows that I'm right. You looked into it.. found out I was correct.. and now you are vortexing into calling me a liar rather then admit I was right. You cant post screenshots because they dont exist..

Right so you lied. Got it.

 

[dbldrew]

Right so you lied. Got it.

man I really did a number on you didnt I?

better luck next time