Thoughts on legalizing recreational weed and sports gambling?

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So, you have different strains, and they can be manipulated. Cross-bred. New strains can be made.

Depending on lighting, nutrients, etc, you can completely change the plant dynamics.

It will never be the same. Every plant has different psychoactive properties as well depending on what type of cannabis it is, and different THC levels (which again are open to manipulation and other factors).

You're not really regulating much. It's like alcohol. Some have 10% ABV up to 100% moonshine and everything in-between. You have citris vodka, cake batter vodka, etc etc etc etc.

Most of the differences are due to genetics of the various strains (read: breeds like different kinds of apples).

Different growing techniques can only maximize the genetic potential of the strain you are working with. You can't take schwag seeds and use growing techniques to produce some fancy strain, any more than you can take a golden delicious seeds and produce granny smiths.

When you are trying to produce good weed, its all about the genetics you start with.

To this end, most people buy cuttings (clones) from someone else and grow one of those into a large "mother" plant and then take further cuttings from that "mother" to sustain their garden.

When talking about the different strains, the differences are due to varying relative proportions of secondary compounds in the strains. Weed has a lot of secondary compounds.

Secondary compounds are molecules that are not involved in the metabolism sustaining living systems (molecules all living things use). Rather, these compounds serve extrametabolic functions (or sometimes none at all) and are often the result of evolutionary dynamics like competition, predation, or mutualism. Compounds like neem from the neem plant that works as a natural insecticide and many others. Extreme evolutionary pressure in high competition environments like rainforests produce some weird shit and pharmaceutical companies spend lots of money looking for new species and new compounds around the world. And pretty much all psychoactive compounds are secondary compounds.

Weed is pretty unique in that the species has secondary compounds numbering in the thousands (Cannabis sativa: The Plant of the Thousand and One Molecules). The biochemistry of secondary compounds in weed is extremely complex although only a small fraction of those are psychoactive (still a lot though). This complexity results in a high level of potential variation allowing breeders to produce strains with very different properties through artificial selection. Hence the nearly endless strains of weed.

However, for people smoking weed, most of the difference in strains is flavor and appearence. There are a lot of claims made about differences in psychoactive properties between the strains, though imo these tend to be way, way overblown and have not been tested in clinical settings. In my experience, the differences in "highs" between strains aren't any greater then the difference in buzz between something like whiskey and vodka.

As far as thc content (the psychoactive compound that has been most well studied), breeds have already hit an upper limit of just under 40%. To achieve high percentages, the industry has already moved on from breeding to producing concentrates through secondary processing (bubble hash, wax, oil, etc...). These methods attempt to isolate and extract the thc compounds resulting in extremely high concentrations, but missing out on the many other secondary compounds found in weed.

When it comes to potential healing properties of weed, there is definitely a lot to investigate. When you are talking about that huge number of compounds, there is a chance some may have real potential for pharmaceutical development. There is a large number of academic studies investigating this around the world right now. The problem is that there are so many compounds in weed, it is hard to know which one or what combinations are producing what effects.

One recent success is with CBD (cannabidiol). This compound has been shown to be effective in treating a few very specific conditions. Never mind the cbd hysteria taking over the country with fucking Special person snake oil claims. That cbd creme? You got ripped off. Nevertheless, the compound has been shown to be effective in a few specific treatments (but no you dumb motherfuckers, it is not a cure-all wonder drug. And fucking no, rubbing it on your skin is not going to do shit). Other studies have shown promising evidence that there are other compounds in weed that may help treatment for other illnesses. However, there has been extreme difficulty in isolating which compounds are producing the results.
 
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This is, by far, the best comment I've ever read against legal weed. It's like thinking prohibition being lifted wouldn't stop people from drinking bathtub rum. That doesn't even get into the fact that it was cheaper in a Colorado dispensary than getting it off "my guy."

That comment was Special person. Prohibition always causes prices to increase. Legalization causes prices to drop, no matter how many taxes are applied. Brett is a fucking Special person.
 

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Most of the differences are due to genetics of the various strains (read: breeds like different kinds of apples).

Different growing techniques can only maximize the genetic potential of the strain you are working with. You can't take schwag seeds and use growing techniques to produce some fancy strain, any more than you can take a golden delicious seeds and produce granny smiths.

When you are trying to produce good weed, its all about the genetics you start with.


That's funny because the heirloom tomato seeds I plant every year always turn out tasting the same, genetically sorry I don't know how drugs work derp derp derp derp @brett05
 

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BTW i don't even BELIEVE in "genetics" lol sounds literally like scientific WITCHCRAFT derpderpderpderpyderp
 

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ah the tolerant loving left

Society establishes boundaries of acceptable behavior. That is literally the definition of society. To define what is and is not tolerated.

Some things our society universally does not tolerate:
Murder
Theft
Excessive dishonesty

Some things that most of US society agrees should not be tolerated:
Racism
Gender inequality
Willful ignorance


You are suggesting that to be tolerant means accepting all behaviors in all contexts. Which is disingenuous and fucking Special person. In other words, par for Brett. Being a tolerant person in no way obligates me to accept your willful ignorance.
 

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Most of the differences are due to genetics of the various strains (read: breeds like different kinds of apples).

Different growing techniques can only maximize the genetic potential of the strain you are working with. You can't take schwag seeds and use growing techniques to produce some fancy strain, any more than you can take a golden delicious seeds and produce granny smiths.

When you are trying to produce good weed, its all about the genetics you start with.

To this end, most people buy cuttings (clones) from someone else and grow one of those into a large "mother" plant and then take further cuttings from that "mother" to sustain their garden.

When talking about the different strains, the differences are due to varying relative proportions of secondary compounds in the strains. Weed has a lot of secondary compounds.

Secondary compounds are molecules that are not involved in the metabolism sustaining living systems (molecules all living things use). Rather, these compounds serve extrametabolic functions (or sometimes none at all) and are often the result of evolutionary dynamics like competition, predation, or mutualism. Compounds like neem from the neem plant that works as a natural insecticide and many others. Extreme evolutionary pressure in high competition environments like rainforests produce some weird shit and pharmaceutical companies spend lots of money looking for new species and new compounds around the world. And pretty much all psychoactive compounds are secondary compounds.

Weed is pretty unique in that the species has secondary compounds numbering in the thousands (Cannabis sativa: The Plant of the Thousand and One Molecules). The biochemistry of secondary compounds in weed is extremely complex although only a small fraction of those are psychoactive (still a lot though). This complexity results in a high level of potential variation allowing breeders to produce strains with very different properties through artificial selection. Hence the nearly endless strains of weed.

However, for people smoking weed, most of the difference in strains is flavor and appearence. There are a lot of claims made about differences in psychoactive properties between the strains, though imo these tend to be way, way overblown and have not been tested in clinical settings. In my experience, the differences in "highs" between strains aren't any greater then the difference in buzz between something like whiskey and vodka.

As far as thc content (the psychoactive compound that has been most well studied), breeds have already hit an upper limit of just under 40%. To achieve high percentages, the industry has already moved on from breeding to producing concentrates through secondary processing (bubble hash, wax, oil, etc...). These methods attempt to isolate and extract the thc compounds resulting in extremely high concentrations, but missing out on the many other secondary compounds found in weed.

When it comes to potential healing properties of weed, there is definitely a lot to investigate. When you are talking about that huge number of compounds, there is a chance some may have real potential for pharmaceutical development. There is a large number of academic studies investigating this around the world right now. The problem is that there are so many compounds in weed, it is hard to know which one or what combinations are producing what effects.

One recent success is with CBD (cannabidiol). This compound has been shown to be effective in treating a few very specific conditions. Never mind the cbd hysteria taking over the country with fucking Special person snake oil claims. That cbd creme? You got ripped off. Nevertheless, the compound has been shown to be effective in a few specific treatments (but no you dumb motherfuckers, it is not a cure-all wonder drug. And fucking no, rubbing it on your skin is not going to do shit). Other studies have shown promising evidence that there are other compounds in weed that may help treatment for other illnesses. However, there has been extreme difficulty in isolating which compounds are producing the results.

There are also studies showing that the beneficial medicinal effects for things like neuropathic pain and anti-inflammation seem better with both CBD and THC interacting, rather than either isolated.
 

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There are also studies showing that the beneficial medicinal effects for things like neuropathic pain and anti-inflammation seem better with both CBD and THC interacting, rather than either isolated.

Yeah, that has been an issue with all of the studies I have seen. Invstigators have had a lot of trouble attributing effects to individual compounds.
 

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Society establishes boundaries of acceptable behavior. That is literally the definition of society. To define what is and is not tolerated.

Some things our society universally does not tolerate:
Murder
Theft
Excessive dishonesty

Some things that most of US society agrees should not be tolerated:
Racism
Gender inequality
Willful ignorance


You are suggesting that to be tolerant means accepting all behaviors in all contexts. Which is disingenuous and fucking Special person. In other words, par for Brett. Being a tolerant person in no way obligates me to accept your willful ignorance.


It's also entirely and literally hypocritical coming from a s***head like @brett05
 

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ikr? He literally won't tolerate Mayor Pete being a Christian because of ***

Yeah, but brett does not claim to be a liberal, therefore he is under no pretense of tolerance. Rather, intolerance is the presumption. Sorry guys, gonna have to go with brett on this one.

Not hypocritical to be intolerant as a self-identifying conservative evangelical.
 

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ikr? He literally won't tolerate Mayor Pete being a Christian because of ***
It's really crazy honestly. It is 2019 and people are anti *** still. I don't want to suck a **** or hold hands with a man personally, but it's not my place to tell another man that they cant do that with another dude if they please. I also believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman as the Bible states. However, it's not my place to tell a *** person that they must also live their life by the Bible and its teachings.

Being anti "*** people" is actually being anti Christian, as weird as that may sound.
 

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It's really crazy honestly. It is 2019 and people are anti *** still. I don't want to suck a **** or hold hands with a man personally, but it's not my place to tell another man that they cant do that with another dude if they please. I also believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman as the Bible states. However, it's not my place to tell a *** person that they must also live their life by the Bible and its teachings.

Being anti "*** people" is actually being anti Christian, as weird as that may sound.

Well, out bigoted Vice President in one of those anti-*** people you speak of, so any change starts at the top. Well, maybe the top of the Republican Party!

Weed, in some ways, is similar. 11 states, over 20%, have legalized marijuana as has the entire country of Canada. Legalize and tax it seems to be the obvious thing to do.
 

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That comment was Special person. Prohibition always causes prices to increase. Legalization causes prices to drop, no matter how many taxes are applied. Brett is a fucking Special person.
So free markets work. Weird.
 

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It's really crazy honestly. It is 2019 and people are anti *** still.

I agree

I don't want to suck a **** or hold hands with a man personally, but it's not my place to tell another man that they cant do that with another dude if they please.

They can do as they please as heteros can within the same restrictions.

I also believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman as the Bible states.

agreed

However, it's not my place to tell a *** person that they must also live their life by the Bible and its teachings.

agreed as well.

Being anti "*** people" is actually being anti Christian, as weird as that may sound.

it does sound weird and I agree it is anti Christian to be against a group of people like those that practice homosexuality.
 

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I agree



They can do as they please as heteros can within the same restrictions.



agreed



agreed as well.



it does sound weird and I agree it is anti Christian to be against a group of people like those that practice homosexuality.
Yet u deny them their Christian faith and rights equal to married straight people.
 

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[QUOTE="botfly10, post: 3107870, member:
Society establishes boundaries of acceptable behavior. That is literally the definition of society. To define what is and is not tolerated.

Some things our society universally does not tolerate:
Murder
Theft
Excessive dishonesty

Some things that most of US society agrees should not be tolerated:
Racism
Gender inequality
Willful ignorance


You are suggesting that to be tolerant means accepting all behaviors in all contexts. Which is disingenuous and fucking Special person. In other words, par for Brett. Being a tolerant person in no way obligates me to accept your willful ignorance.
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Broken link for @brett05 in case he has @botfly10 on ignore, but also wanted to make sure he sees it again because this is a pretty damn good post.
 

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