To make it Clear, JH ain't too bad

[ChiSportsRich]

and the years before that?

So if the Rays arent competing in 2013 is it now a horribly ran organization? The A's had to completely rebuild their team.

I am still waiting on a white sox fan to tell me what Moneyball is.

Do u really not know what moneyball is

 

[poodski]

Do u really not know what moneyball is

Oh no I do. I honestly don't think you have the slightest clue. I have read many good books on the concept.

Hence why I asked you.

My statement though is regarding the Rays has nothing to do with moneyball. It has to do with a poster only looking at recent wins to judge a gm of a small market team which is really dumb.

 

[ChiSportsRich]

Oh no I do. I honestly don't think you have the slightest clue. I have read many good books on the concept.

Hence why I asked you.

My statement though is regarding the Rays has nothing to do with moneyball. It has to do with a poster only looking at recent wins to judge a gm of a small market team which is really dumb.

Why would I bring up a concept if I had no grasp over it

 

[FirstTimer]

Why would I bring up a concept if I had no grasp over it

Why does 99% of CCS even post then?

 

[poodski]

Why would I bring up a concept if I had no grasp over it

So basically you don't know what it means.

 

[ChiSportsRich]

So basically you don't know what it means.

No, I know what it means, what exactly did my comment imply to lead u to believe I didnt know what I was talking about?

 

[ChiSportsRich]

Why does 99% of CCS even post then?

Good point

 

[poodski]

I like Billy Beane, hes over rated but not terrible, "Moneyball" idea failed

That's why you said. How did the moneyball idea exactly fail?

That's why i donut think you understand what moneyball means.

 

[ChiSportsRich]

Because how many divisions have they won, championships? And what happened to center piece jeremy brown

 

[ChiSportsRich]

How do u think it has succeeded

 

[poodski]

Because how many divisions have they won, championships? And what happened to center piece jeremy brown

Well for starters they won four division titles from 2000-2006 and won the most games in all of major league baseball despite having one of the smallest payrolls in baseball. Most good teams now use the deficiencies in the market that Beane used to win all those games to win their games now. OBP is big now literally because if Beane and moneyball.

And what does a failed prospect have to do with whether moneyball works or not? Prospects fail thats why they are prospects. He was a supplemental pick I believe.

This continues to lead me to believe you don't understand moneyball. I am not trying to take a firsttimer like jab I just genuinely curious to hear your description if what moneyball is.

 

[FirstTimer]

This continues to lead me to believe you don't understand moneyball. I am not trying to take a firsttimer like jab I just genuinely curious to hear your description if what moneyball is.

I don't throw jabs.

KO or GTFO.

 

[DewsSox79]

It won more games from 2000-2006 than any other franchise.

how many titles? great it wins some games, as a fan you want titles, not just wins in the w/l column. great that you took a block of 6 years

 

[Jntg4]

I don't throw jabs.

KO or GTFO.

Why should everyone else GTFO? You are the one that says VSN is better than CCS anyway.

 

[ChiSportsRich]

Jeremy brown was the center piece of the draft as described in moneyball.

 

[AddisonStation]

They won the division 4 times in that time period.

 

[poodski]

Jeremy brown was the center piece of the draft as described in moneyball.

So you think moneyball is a book?

 

[Jntg4]

Fucking Cubs fans are such s. Why can't other Cubs fans just understand that the Cubs aren't some perfect business with everything run so perfectly?

 

[FirstTimer]

Well for starters they won four division titles from 2000-2006 and won the most games in all of major league baseball despite having one of the smallest payrolls in baseball. Most good teams now use the deficiencies in the market that Beane used to win all those games to win their games now. OBP is big now literally because if Beane and moneyball.

Ok this I where I think it goes off the trail a little bit. IMO the A's outstanding run had more to do with the Atheltics having the great luck of having a dominant pitching staff featuring guys like Zito, Mulder, Hudson, Harden, etc. The A's early 00's success IMO had more to do with their ERA and than with team OBP.

I don't think it's any coincidence that since those pitchers have left the A's have been average at best.

Also for many of those teams the "OBP" argument was overrated. As soon as mashers like Miggy Tejada, Giambi, Dye, Frank Thomas, Swisher left town and Eric Chavez fell off the team fell back to being average at best as well. The whole Oakland A's story is cute and nice as far as OBP go but the reality has more to do with the fact the A's had some really great front line starting pitching and got a hold of some prospects and veterens that could slam long balls for a few seasons before they either left for bigger contracts, got old and/or started to decline.

I think OBP is a very important stat but propping up the A's success around such a stat or an idea is misleading if you look at what the team had pitching wise and power wise. The A's didn't find some magical formula. They basically reworked the early 90's Braves idea. Trot out 3 or 4 really damn good starters. Have some guys that can mash HR's, add in a few glue guys, and make the playoffs and give yourself a shot.

Starting pitching and sluggers>>OBP in terms of importance to the 2000-2006 Oakland A's.

 

[poodski]

how many titles? great it wins some games, as a fan you want titles, not just wins in the w/l column. great that you took a block of 6 years

Playoffs are a crapshoot. How often does the best team win?

If the best teams won every year the cubs would have won it in 2008. To win the ws is as much luck as it is talent.