To make it Clear, JH ain't too bad

[FirstTimer]

So basically what I get here is that he won a WS therefore he is a great GM.

Nope.

Try reading again.

 

[DewsSox79]

How exactly did Moneyball fail?

Do you know what Moneyball is?

Moneyball is quite well and alive and the 2010 A's showed that.

moneyball has yet to win anything.

 

[poodski]

they are always rebuilding.

Yes, the A's did have to rebuild their team concept and strategy. When you revolutionize baseball the way Beane did and you run a small market team you have to rebuild your team. That doesn't happen over night.

Would anyone like to place money on the A's having the best ERA in the league despite having a rotation full of members that most of you couldn't name outside of Dallas Braden, and the only reason you know him is because he yelled at A-Rod.

 

[nickofypres]

But when they won't it all in 2005 Kenny gets credit? So in 2004 it wasn't Kenny's fauly, in 2006 it wasn't Kenny's fault but by some baseball accountability miracle Kenny gets credit only when the team succeeds in 2005 and 2008?

What blame does he have for the massive fail in 2007?

Of course he gets credit for 2005, he built the team, Ozzie gets credit as well.

No one gets blame for 07, who saw injuries and a team slump coming? Not I. I figured after winning 99, and 90 games the Sox would at least win 85+ games.

But Kenny has built teams to "win now", and under Sox management, they've all finished 2nd or 3rd. Kenny didn't manage them out of the playoffs.

Pick your battles.

 

[poodski]

moneyball has yet to win anything.

It won more games from 2000-2006 than any other franchise.

 

[FirstTimer]

Of course he gets credit for 2005, he built the team

So all those other teams he built and that failed get has no fault in?

Wow.

 

[nickofypres]

Yes, the A's did have to rebuild their team concept and strategy. When you revolutionize baseball the way Beane did and you run a small market team you have to rebuild your team. That doesn't happen over night.

Would anyone like to place money on the A's having the best ERA in the league

:nod:

A's are loaded.

Haters gonna' hate.

 

[nickofypres]

So all those other teams he built and that failed get has no fault in?

Why should he? He built teams that were capable of winning. Jerry and Ozzie managed them to futility.

Why do you think Jerry doesn't manage here anymore or Ozzie is one more missed playoffs away from losing his job?

 

[FirstTimer]

Why should he? He built teams that were capable of winning. Jerry and Ozzie managed them to futility.

You figure after so long he would have either wisened up and fired Ozzie or built a manager error proof team.

Duh!



Kenny isn't so great afterall.

 

[poodski]

Why should he? He built teams that were capable of winning. Jerry and Ozzie managed them to futility.

Why do you think Jerry doesn't manage here anymore or Ozzie is one more missed playoffs away from losing his job?

So doesn't JH get any thing on that then? Because he had a guy out there with a similar IQ to first timer running the team.

 

[FirstTimer]

I hereby absolve Hendry of all blame for the Cubs failures. It was all Baker and Pinella's fault. Look what Quade did afrer Lou left. He won. Obviously Lou couldn't win with the Cubs anymore so it was his fault.

Hendry is the leet.

 

[nickofypres]

You figure after so long he would have either wisened up and fired Ozzie

Ozzie's contract was up after 2007. At that point the only team Ozzie only mismanaged was 2006. 2004 and 2007 were lost to injuries. And in 2005 Ozzie and Kenny won the World Series. He wasn't going anywhere.

built a manager error proof team.

Good luck.

 

[FirstTimer]

It's crazy; in some amazing nexus of baseball illogic Kenny and Hendry get credit for firing bad managers and bringing in good managers but when said managers fail they get no blame in the failures of the managers they hired and continued to employ..Until they fire them and get credit for finally firing them.

Baseball is such an amazing game.

 

[Capt. Serious]

:nod:

A's are loaded.

Haters gonna' hate.

Not much to hate when you finish 10+ games under .500, 3 of the last 4 seasons.

 

[poodski]

Not much to hate when you finish 10+ games under .500, 3 of the last 4 seasons.

and the years before that?

So if the Rays arent competing in 2013 is it now a horribly ran organization? The A's had to completely rebuild their team.

I am still waiting on a white sox fan to tell me what Moneyball is.

 

[nickofypres]

Not much to hate when you finish 10+ games under .500, 3 of the last 4 seasons.

Well considering the A's have Connor Jackson, David DeJesus, Josh Williamham, Ryan Sweeney, Daric Bartin, Mark Ellis, Gio Gonzales, Trevor Cahill, Brett Anderson, Dallis Braden, and a good bullpen, I agree there really isn't much to hate.

 

[poodski]

Well considering the A's have Connor Jackson, David DeJesus, Josh Williamham, Ryan Sweeney, Daric Bartin, Mark Ellis, Gio Gonzales, Trevor Cahill, Brett Anderson, Dallis Braden, and a good bullpen, I agree there really isn't much to hate.

A good bullpen? I think that should be rephrased.

They have an amazing bullpen. They don't have a great offense (Willingham and DeJesus will help), but they have a great defense, a pretty good rotation and the best bullpen in baseball.

I think they might win the division this year, though it's still probably the Ranger's division.

 

[FirstTimer]

and the years before that?

So if the Rays arent competing in 2013 is it now a horribly ran organization? The A's had to completely rebuild their team.

I am still waiting on a white sox fan to tell me what Moneyball is.

It's a game on The Price is Right.

 

[nickofypres]

A good bullpen? I think that should be rephrased.

They have an amazing bullpen. They don't have a great offense (Willingham and DeJesus will help), but they have a great defense, a pretty good rotation and the best bullpen in baseball.

I think they might win the division this year, though it's still probably the Ranger's division.

They'll get a lot of guys on base. So they'll always have the threat of stealing, scoring on errors, balks (when on third) and when someone actually gets a hit with runners on. I think the A's offense will be good enough, for now anyway.

Maybe I'm looking too much into this, but I think Oakland wins it straight up this season. Just IMO though.

 

[poodski]

They'll get a lot of guys on base. So they'll always have the threat of stealing, scoring on errors, balks (when on third) and when someone actually gets a hit with runners on. I think the A's offense will be good enough, for now anyway.

Maybe I'm looking too much into this, but I think Oakland wins it straight up this season. Just IMO though.

Maybe. I still think the Rangers are pretty good because they really didn't lose anyone besides Lee and they had the division won without him. I do think it will be closer though and what could be crazier is that the Angels and Mariners are so bad that its possible the WC could come out of the West just because how bad the rest of the division is. Though with the Rays going back to the cellar the AL East isn't all that strong either.