Trade Deadline 2023

[Probie2429]

Angels pulled Ohtani from market. Stroman and Bellinger’s value just skyrocketed.

 

[beckdawg]

Giolito trade to the angels with Reynaldo López for LHP Ky Bush and C Edgar Quero. So that kinda sets the market for Stroman. Fangraphs has Quero as a 50 grade prospect and Bush as a 40.

 

[beckdawg]

Just for reference... fangraphs has 55 grade prospects starting at top 30 for mlb

 

[beckdawg]

Lot of rumors have talked about Bellinger to NYY so i pose a question to you guys. If you had a trade centered around Jasson Dominguez would you be happy? I don't think NYY have enough otherwise so any package would probably need to include him.

 

[knoxville7]

Well, counting tonight that’s five starts in July and his last start in June was his shitty London outing.

So that’s 5 of 6 over five weeks. Can’t pretend it’s all someone else’s fault.

I’m not pretending anything, you just moved the goalposts. Your post was about tonight’s game, in which I commented the defense was poor

Now you’re bringing up his previous starts, which is fine but it’s not what your original comment was

 

[CSF77]

From MLBTR

3. Cubs’ last stand?

Despite being considered a likely seller by much of the baseball world for much of the season to this point, the Cubs are reportedly still evaluating their approach to the trade deadline on August 1. Muddying the waters on the decision for president of baseball operations Jed Hoyer is the club’s play in recent weeks, as the Cubs have won seven of their last eight, making them 8-4 since the All Star break and 12-9 in July. In the event the club decides to sell, Chicago has some of the most interesting rentals on the market this July in right-hander Marcus Stroman and center fielder Cody Bellinger.

The Cubs are six games back of the division lead and 4.5 games back of a crowded NL Wild Card race. That being said, they also sport the NL Central’s only positive run differential and could put themselves back over .500 for the first time since May with a series win in St. Louis this weekend. Lefty Justin Steele takes the mound for the club against tonight opposite Cardinals right-hander Miles Mikolas for the first game of a four-game set that will take the clubs into deadline day, when Hoyer and his front office will have to make a decision on the Cubs’ course of action.

 

[CSF77]

I would buy at this point. This team when healthy refuses to quit. Jed should gamble this year.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

I would buy at this point. This team when healthy refuses to quit. Jed should gamble this year.

If he wins the gamble, they probably lose round 1 and still looking at losing bellinger and stroman in the offseason. If he loses which is probably more likely, they miss they playoffs while having those players hit the market. And you want to trade away prospects for that?

 

[knoxville7]

If he wins the gamble, they probably lose round 1 and still looking at losing bellinger and stroman in the offseason. If he loses which is probably more likely, they miss they playoffs while having those players hit the market. And you want to trade away prospects for that?

Only exception for me would be acquiring player(s) with multiple years of team control still

I’d still trade stroman and even bellinger reluctantly(his agent is Scott boras, so you know he’s hitting FA no matter what).

Gather up some top 100 prospects for guys on expiring deals(or options), but don’t be afraid to trade some minor leaguers for young controllable MLB ready guys. The numbers will become an issue for the cubs on the 40 man eventually otherwise

 

[JP Hochbaum]

I am about doing a buy and sell type moves. Trade Yan and get Amaya his playing time.
Trade some low level prospects for some major league ready talent with team control.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

I am about doing a buy and sell type moves. Trade Yan and get Amaya his playing time.
Trade some low level prospects for some major league ready talent with team control.

Don't forget trading stroman and realistically bellinger because there isn't any real reason not to

 

[JP Hochbaum]

Don't forget trading stroman and realistically bellinger because there isn't any real reason not to

I think there is a legit reason to try to win. The current players deserve a chance to see this season through.

Stroman I can see trading because we have AAA depth and he seems to be regressing. But no way they trade Belly.

 

[Diehardfan]

I think there is a legit reason to try to win. The current players deserve a chance to see this season through.

Stroman I can see trading because we have AAA depth and he seems to be regressing. But no way they trade Belly.

Welcome to Fantasyland.......

 

[TL1961]

I’m not pretending anything, you just moved the goalposts. Your post was about tonight’s game, in which I commented the defense was poor

Now you’re bringing up his previous starts, which is fine but it’s not what your original comment was

I posted that Stroman was sucking down the stretch toward the trade deadline.

I didn’t specify any one game.

Suddenly, I’m getting responses that he still has trade value blah blah blah, which I don’t disagree with.

My simple point was in the last six starts, he has sucked, and if anyone thinks that increases his trade value, I disagree.

It doesn’t wipe out the possibility or likelihood of a trade or mean the Cubs get nothing in return, which is why I made no such assertions.

But struggling for over a month doesn’t increase his value.

 

[knoxville7]

Brewers got an aging switch hitter to try and help their pathetic offense

 

[CSF77]

I think there is a legit reason to try to win. The current players deserve a chance to see this season through.

Stroman I can see trading because we have AAA depth and he seems to be regressing. But no way they trade Belly.

I agree. Stro has been on a down spin post London. His value is not peaking at the moment.

Regardless Jed has said that the results on the field will dictate his decision. Not expiring deals or what he can or can't get.

Right now. up 6-1 on Stl. Win puts them at .500. And they have momentum of a 5 (6) game winning streak against a team in sell mode.

That is not even getting into X W/L which has CHC at 55-46 and Mil at 51-52. All it shows is the Cubs are scoring runs. And as we have seen they are forcing wins in spite of the starting pitching.

So I really hope that Stro pulls it together. This deadline might be in his head and affecting his performance. He might be a bit emotionally unstable with it looming.

But all said and done. as of right now I see Jed making a deal but to add a 3B and get Brown or Kilian up.

Kilian is 7-1 at Iowa. The underling numbers are not dominate but with a improved D behind him it can help a 2 seam pitcher get some outs.

Brown is a beast. His BB has hurt him but he misses bats.

Knowing Jed he will hold on Brown due to a 5.10 ERA at Iowa vs a .45 at Tenn. He is still adjusting to the talent. Moving up doesn't bode well when he has not mastered that level.

Kilian IMO is a decent trade chip but is also a great innings soaker from Aug-Sept.

 

[CSF77]

Welcome to Fantasyland.......

It is a factor. The + run is also a factor.

Bull pen.

Alzolay 7 of 8 in saves. 1 BB vs 15 SO.
Fulmer 2.89 ERA
Assad .59 ERA
Palencia 2.84 ERA
Kay 1.93 ERA

So That is trending positive. That was the biggest weakness going in.


I would say right now the greatest need is SP. Taillon has started looking like the guy they hoped for 2.96 ERA in July. Smyly 7.79ERA and Stro 7.99 ERA have been the glooming issues.

It is hard to judge the O right now. They are producing right now and the wins are following the outburst.

It is a tough call for Jed to make and that is why no word has come out of potential deals. Add or subtract.

Mancini was the heel and he has been pushed out by Bellinger at 1B. So they are geared up to win games still.

At this moment the needle is leaning to a min do nothing and let the boys play and see if Brown and Kilian can add to the staff.

 

[CSF77]

And to be honest if Jed gets nothing. That is fine. He also gets payroll space. Adding more prospects really will not make the turn the page. Adding proven talent will. They have talent in the system. I do not see Stro and Bellinger gaining a blue chip. Potential sure. But most never pan out.

 

[knoxville7]

It is a factor. The + run is also a factor.

Bull pen.

Alzolay 7 of 8 in saves. 1 BB vs 15 SO.
Fulmer 2.89 ERA
Assad .59 ERA
Palencia 2.84 ERA
Kay 1.93 ERA

So That is trending positive. That was the biggest weakness going in.


I would say right now the greatest need is SP. Taillon has started looking like the guy they hoped for 2.96 ERA in July. Smyly 7.79ERA and Stro 7.99 ERA have been the glooming issues.

It is hard to judge the O right now. They are producing right now and the wins are following the outburst.

It is a tough call for Jed to make and that is why no word has come out of potential deals. Add or subtract.

Mancini was the heel and he has been pushed out by Bellinger at 1B. So they are geared up to win games still.

At this moment the needle is leaning to a min do nothing and let the boys play and see if Brown and Kilian can add to the staff.

Yeah, and I remember people giving me crap for suggesting the cubs play bellinger at first base heading into the season. Yet, here we are and they are thriving since they made the move

 

[JP Hochbaum]

Welcome to Fantasyland.......

Easy cop out answer. Most teams won't make the playoffs or win the first series if they make it. At this point it is all fantasy land. The point is that in sports you can't take away a teams momentum and give up. It is bad for the team that is playing to give up like that.

If they were 10 games under, sell for sure. But they are .500 and within close enough of a shot to get in and build needed momentum for next year.

Just to give reference. The Cubs were 10 games back at the deadline in 2015 and came back to tie it. Not saying the Cubs do this as that was a better team. But the mountain to climb is also less significant.