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So for those wanting bullpen help it's probably worth mentioning that Zastryzny started tonight in Iowa. 6 IP 3 hits 1 ER 6 k's.
 

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Verlander is a much better option than Arrieta or Hendricks on the playoff roster. And if you don't trade one of them for Verlander than either Arrieta or Hendricks is off the playoff rotation. So I am not suggesting you leave Arrieta off I am pointing out that either one of those guys is not on the playoff roster if we get Verlander, so why not trade one of them?

Verlander is still hitting 98 on the radar, even on bad days he is better than Arrieta or HEndricks because even if he is off he can still get through 6-7 innings. And he fits the playoff pitching mold that Theo likes, the gamer mentality that Lester and Q have.
 

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Verlander is a much better option than Arrieta or Hendricks on the playoff roster. And if you don't trade one of them for Verlander than either Arrieta or Hendricks is off the playoff rotation. So I am not suggesting you leave Arrieta off I am pointing out that either one of those guys is not on the playoff roster if we get Verlander, so why not trade one of them?

Verlander is still hitting 98 on the radar, even on bad days he is better than Arrieta or HEndricks because even if he is off he can still get through 6-7 innings. And he fits the playoff pitching mold that Theo likes, the gamer mentality that Lester and Q have.

Maddon goes with history. Honestly, they will already be worried about Lackee blowing up when he does not get a start. As far as Q's "gamer" mentality. you look at Arrieta and Hendricks playoff performances and they were both good. We will get with Q after he pitches in the playoffs.
 

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Maddon goes with history. Honestly, they will already be worried about Lackee blowing up when he does not get a start. As far as Q's "gamer" mentality. you look at Arrieta and Hendricks playoff performances and they were both good. We will get with Q after he pitches in the playoffs.

Q had that mental gamer opportunity in the WBC this year
 

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Verlander is a much better option than Arrieta or Hendricks on the playoff roster. And if you don't trade one of them for Verlander than either Arrieta or Hendricks is off the playoff rotation. So I am not suggesting you leave Arrieta off I am pointing out that either one of those guys is not on the playoff roster if we get Verlander, so why not trade one of them?

Verlander is still hitting 98 on the radar, even on bad days he is better than Arrieta or HEndricks because even if he is off he can still get through 6-7 innings. And he fits the playoff pitching mold that Theo likes, the gamer mentality that Lester and Q have.

OK, with all due respect, I think you've made some wrong assumptions there. In 25.1 innings in July Arrieta has pitched to a 2.13 ERA and a .91 WHIP. In short he's pitched much better. Hendricks we have no idea about yet. The velocity was good in his last rehab start and fair to middling in his first start yesterday. We have no clue if that will stabilize and what he'll look like the rest of the season. Getting Verlander would be acquiring your #3 or #4 starter for next year depending on Hendrick and as insurance for Kyle this year. I think it would be coin flip on which of Hendricks/Verlander made the playoff roster, because while I think he'll be better in the NL he's still not pitching anywhere close to what he did from the end of 2015 through 2016. Velo doesn't make you better. In comparison to Arrieta Verlander's July, in a few more innings, has been 29.1 innings 4.60 ERA, 1.43 WHIP. So the trend is with Jake. Don't get me wrong I would welcome Verlander but this is not 2016 and he's not that guy right now. Could he be again? Do I like him as a Lackey replacement for next year? Absolutely, but 100% sure he's an upgrade to both Jake and Kyle? Uh, no there is no evidence to support that position.
 

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Not to mention the idea that having someone like Hendricks pitching after someone like Arrieta with top tier stuff makes Hendricks even more difficult because you have to prepare for entirely different styles. Also lest we not forget what Hendricks did in game 6 of the NLCS last year.
 

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Not to mention the idea that having someone like Hendricks pitching after someone like Arrieta with top tier stuff makes Hendricks even more difficult because you have to prepare for entirely different styles. Also lest we not forget what Hendricks did in game 6 of the NLCS last year.

There is no way Lester and Q will go back to back. This wont be an issue, LEster, Jake, Q, Hendricks. Lets get this team to the post season first.

My point is Lackee is going to be a huge distraction when the time comes as it is, if they get Verlander, even more so. They constantly **** Hendricks over, so I am sure he expects it, but Lackee will ***** and moan as it is.
 

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OK, with all due respect, I think you've made some wrong assumptions there. In 25.1 innings in July Arrieta has pitched to a 2.13 ERA and a .91 WHIP. In short he's pitched much better. Hendricks we have no idea about yet. The velocity was good in his last rehab start and fair to middling in his first start yesterday. We have no clue if that will stabilize and what he'll look like the rest of the season. Getting Verlander would be acquiring your #3 or #4 starter for next year depending on Hendrick and as insurance for Kyle this year. I think it would be coin flip on which of Hendricks/Verlander made the playoff roster, because while I think he'll be better in the NL he's still not pitching anywhere close to what he did from the end of 2015 through 2016. Velo doesn't make you better. In comparison to Arrieta Verlander's July, in a few more innings, has been 29.1 innings 4.60 ERA, 1.43 WHIP. So the trend is with Jake. Don't get me wrong I would welcome Verlander but this is not 2016 and he's not that guy right now. Could he be again? Do I like him as a Lackey replacement for next year? Absolutely, but 100% sure he's an upgrade to both Jake and Kyle? Uh, no there is no evidence to support that position.

Verlander's downward spiral isn't as steep as Lackey's but it is still noticeably there....for the money involved, Theo should run not walk away.
 

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Verlander's downward spiral isn't as steep as Lackey's but it is still noticeably there....for the money involved, Theo should run not walk away.

Shit, I gave up on Verlander years ago but then he turned around. Do I think he has another turn in him? Maybe and Theo would know more than I do.
 

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Cubs are now rumored to be interested in Mets SP Seth Lugo along with back up catcher Rene Rivera...



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There’s somewhat of a market for backup catcher Rene Rivera, tweets Mike Puma of the New York Post, and the Cubs are among the clubs with interest. Chicago has been linked to multiple catchers, most prominently Alex Avila, as the team looks to find a more experienced backup to Willson Contreras. Rivera fits the bill, and while he’s not a great hitter, the 33-year-old’s .245/.291/.395 batting line and six homers in 158 plate appearances are passable for a backup option. Plus, Rivera is regarded as an excellent defender and has halted 38 percent of stolen base attempts this season while maintaining his characteristically strong framing numbers. A free agent at season’s end, Rivera is earning a reasonable $1.75MM salary, with about $650K remaining on that deal.
 

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Not sure about Lugo
 

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6 K/9. I wouldn't bother.

He is worse than Hendricks and is in the running with Lackey for the 5.

He avg's 90 on the fastball so too much like Hendricks in style.

They would be better off looking elsewhere.

Verlander at least can get it up to 98. That is a element that is lacking. So if they were going to deal that bit makes sense.
 

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6 K/9. I wouldn't bother.

He is worse than Hendricks and is in the running with Lackey for the 5.

He avg's 90 on the fastball so too much like Hendricks in style.

They would be better off looking elsewhere.

Verlander at least can get it up to 98. That is a element that is lacking. So if they were going to deal that bit makes sense.
I think the cubs are just planting seeds everywhere...

They may be high on Rivera and just inquired about Lugo for depth, in case they do trade with Mets for Rivera...


Starting to wonder if Epstein is looking for a SP , if it more so because he has no more confidence in Lackey, or if it to make sure he has another reliable starter as back up to Hendricks, in case Hendricks has a set back...

Or Both


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Brett Anderson just got designated...

1. About time

2. Could it mean a trade is near... opened up a 40 man spot

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Brett Anderson just got designated...

1. About time

2. Could it mean a trade is near... opened up a 40 man spot

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He was on 60 day DL which doesn't take up a 40 man spot.
 

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Ya. It was bound to happen. He was replaced by Q and honestly he is ready to come off the DL. Most likely a request for FA
 

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I wish they would just get the damn catcher since they wont let Schwarber be that guy and Happ or Almora play more. Seems they are trying to bunch one in with a pitcher.
 

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