Trade deadline banter

[CSF77]

Like I've said: if they say Eloy they hear click.

 

[beckdawg]

And to that end, Epstein gets into the juiciest bit: if they’re going to make a move for a significant, established player this deadline, it’s going to be for someone with multiple years of control. More specifically, Epstein said he wouldn’t be willing to contribute those type of resources (top end prospects implied) towards a rental. Given that there are several theoretically available starting pitchers with multiple years of control that’s a good thing, but there are some other good starters out there that are just rentals. I wonder if that’s a definite rule or more of a guideline. We’ll see.

http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/...ence-to-avoid-rentals-schwarber-russell-more/

Ought to make some here happy.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

I'd like to see this team attempt to create a spark, rather than make a big move. I would try to see what kind of offers you can get for guys like Montero, Zobrist or Candelario, guys that are either gone soon or blocked.

And I would try to bring up more youth to see if that helps with the spark part, I am thinking Caritini and Hannerann.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

I would try to go after guys like Matt Moore and/or Tanaka. Both are signed through 2019/2020 and are having bad years, so they can be had cheap and with money coming in return. At worst they become our 4th and 5th starters, and at best they can refind some of their form from previous years.

 

[beckdawg]

I'd like to see this team attempt to create a spark, rather than make a big move. I would try to see what kind of offers you can get for guys like Montero, Zobrist or Candelario, guys that are either gone soon or blocked.

And I would try to bring up more youth to see if that helps with the spark part, I am thinking Caritini and Hannerann.

Given Rizzo's comments regarding Montero bitching last night it wouldn't shock me to see them deal Montero. I'd be surprised if they entertained offers on Zobrist though.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

Yeah Zobrist is a long shot, it seems they have an understanding that he will play out his contract here. But he'd be a valuable piece to a top contender.

 

[brett05]

Heavier suitors than an MVP candidate Josh Donaldson in the offseason? Doubtful.

No doubt about it. The interest right now for Gray is stronger than Donaldson from what I recall.

 

[brett05]

Yeah Zobrist is a long shot, it seems they have an understanding that he will play out his contract here. But he'd be a valuable piece to a top contender.

He would, but trade value not so much

 

[brett05]

OK, what about the merits of this trade between Sox and Cubs. Q for Rizzo. I think it's actually pretty spot on and helps both teams.

 

[CSF77]

OK, what about the merits of this trade between Sox and Cubs. Q for Rizzo. I think it's actually pretty spot on and helps both teams.

No just no. Not saying in a value statement. But Rizzo is the team capt. Seems Hoyer would rather castrate himself then trade him.

So nope

 

[brett05]

Yeah, it's his leadership that makes the trade lopsided for me too.

 

[CSF77]

Honestly from that statement it is a blanket statement. We figured that they were aiming for rotation replacements for Jake and John. So this is not shocking. It is expected.

But what this signals is they are willing to trade Eloy. Honestly Archer is my highest hopes. This most likely will not happen unless the Rays go through a big losing streak.

#2 is Cole. Pitt pretty much said that they aiming for competing next year so he in not getting traded.

#3 is Q. He would cost Eloy and Candy and is totally worth it.

#4 is Gray. He is worth 2 2nd tier players or 4 low impact ready to play guys.

What would be amazing is Jed pulls Eloy and Candy for Q then with Butler freed up trading Butler, Hannemenn, Zag and Clifton for Gray.

With Montero gone Catrini is off limits. Add to it he can back up 1B. Wouldn't shock me to see him in a corner OF to get his bat in the line up.

But if Theo pulled that off they could roll into next year set.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

If we are still hovering around .500 at the trade deadline and competing with the Brewers I would actually consider putting Arrieta and Wade Davis onto the trade block. We can't trick ourselves into thinking this team is ready to play the way they did last year, we should retool and still be able to make the playoffs.

 

[CSF77]

Rival executives feel that the Tigers will market veteran righty Justin Verlander, Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports writes, though Detroit’s intentions (and asking price) remain unclear. He’d be an easy product to pitch were this 2016, when Verlander was in vintage form. But he hasn’t followed that up with any degree of consistency thus far in 2017. Still, the $56MM he’s owed in 2018 and 2019 seems fairly reasonable, and it’s hard to ignore the top-line upside that still seems to reside in Verlander’s powerful right arm.

 

[CSF77]

I've looked at Det and they have a high leverage lefty in Justin Wilson. That would take care of 2 issues going on right now.

I would almost love to see them trade Jake to offset this year. Det gets out from that deal then. Cubs get a vet MOR with play off exp to follow Lester. At that point they can target Archer in the offseason with no play off picture looming.

I wouldn't use Eloy at all. Or Alzolay because those 2 would be trade goods towards TB. But pretty much any other prospect could be descussed.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

This really could be the dumbest group of trade suggestions I've ever seen. Sure, the Quintana and Gray proposals aren't outlandish but the rest make up for it. Dan Straily and A.J. Ellis for Dylan Cease, Aramis Ademan and Duane Underwood is quite possibly the worst trade proposal I've ever seen anywhere.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2718684-chicago-cubs-5-fresh-trade-ideas-to-finally-look-like-champs-again

 

[beckdawg]

This really could be the dumbest group of trade suggestions I've ever seen. Sure, the Quintana and Gray proposals aren't outlandish but the rest make up for it. Dan Straily and A.J. Ellis for Dylan Cease, Aramis Ademan and Duane Underwood is quite possibly the worst trade proposal I've ever seen anywhere.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2718684-chicago-cubs-5-fresh-trade-ideas-to-finally-look-like-champs-again

Ironically they are all massive over pays except for the Q trade which is likely an underpay. It's not so much that the trade ideas are bad. Avila, Straily/Ellis, Gray and Q all makes sense. I'm not so much sold on Vargas though. But other than the Q trade they have massively inflated the price. Straily for example was traded prior to the season for Isaiah White, Austin Brice and Luis Castillo. Castillo is the best prospect in that and he's a 50 grade. Other two aren't even listed in their top 30 presently.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Ironically they are all massive over pays except for the Q trade which is likely an underpay. It's not so much that the trade ideas are bad. Avila, Straily/Ellis, Gray and Q all makes sense. I'm not so much sold on Vargas though. But other than the Q trade they have massively inflated the price. Straily for example was traded prior to the season for Isaiah White, Austin Brice and Luis Castillo. Castillo is the best prospect in that and he's a 50 grade. Other two aren't even listed in their top 30 presently.

I'd be shocked if the Cubs were interested in Straily. They had him and he was basically an afterthought in the Fowler trade despite having several years of control. He's having a good year but I'm pretty sure the Cubs know exactly what he is.

 

[CSF77]

Straily: pass.

Q: would cost Eloy and is most likely the best target.

Gray: too much interest going on for him. I would let other teams over pay.

 

[beckdawg]

Honestly if Archer isn't available and if prices are high on Gray I wouldn't mind a run at Shark if SF would eat a tiny bit of money. He's got 3 years at 19.8 mil per. If the Giants would eat like $11.4 mil you'd essentially be pushing Lackey's money to Shark the next 3 years. I also wouldn't mind see them trying a run at Daniel Norris as a buy low guy on a young starter for a Detroit team that figures to sell.