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They're. Their is possessive, you referring to the word they are, hence they're
 

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Now this sorta makes sense to me if you assume the character issues aren't actually issues with Chapman. It might be a difficult fit if one of the two between him and Rondon isn't comfortable taking a back seat. But if the starting price is Vogelbach + parts for Chapman that deal makes sense to me. Vogelbach isn't going to be on the cubs roster with his lack of defensive flexibility and Rizzo and at this point he hits AAA too well to stay their forever.

With that being said, I still you need someone else to get lefties out. Rondon and Chapman at those prices is a great 1-2 in the 8th 9th and strop in the 7th would also be strong but with Nathan, Grimm, Edwards Cahill and Waren all options for the pen you're still pretty right hand heavy.
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beckdawg,

You misread this. Vogelbach plus parts meaning the part is better than Vogelbach as Marchand called Vogelbach a likely secondary piece to the trade not primary.
 
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Chapman would cost Vogelbach and Johnson or Cease. Vogelbach is the Cubs #20 prospect. You are not buying Chapman with that.

Baez in CF I'll believe when I see it. Rather they sign Jon Jay.
 

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brett05 said:
beckdawg,

You misread this. Vogelbach plus parts meaning the part is better than Vogelbach as Marchand called Vogelbach a likely secondary piece to the trade not primary.
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Perhaps but if Vogelbach is the name moving things does that not make him the important piece?
 

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Don't remember where I read it but some where the other day I read that basically in the deadline discussions Jed and Theo are splitting the teams up and handling alking to them separately. That's kind of a cool division of labor. Perhaps other organizations do it too but as much crazy stuff as can happen it's nice to see the cubs have two people focusing on teams to make sure nothing falls through the cracks.
 

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beckdawg said:
I'd be more curious who the flippee was. I could totally see it being someone like Kevin Gausman. O's need pitching and have little in the way of prospects to deal. Could also be someone like Daniel Norris for similar reasons.
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MLB radio was speculating that it could have been Jose Quintana but that would make me wet my pants and make Brett's head explode. Personally I kind of doubt that it was him but you never know I suppose.
 

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TC in Mississippi said:
MLB radio was speculating that it could have been Jose Quintana but that would make me wet my pants and make Brett's head explode. Personally I kind of doubt that it was him but you never know I suppose.
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I'd be down for Quintana but I tend to agree it probably wasn't him. All this being said though I do wonder if Theo's good relationship with Beane may come in as part of a 3 team deal on Hill. They supposedly wanted Espinoza for Hill. And if that's the case a number of teams like the O's and Tigers are just out because they don't have the parts. The cubs might not have a 1 for 1 value like that unless you're talking Torres but the cubs could in theory offer the A's 3-4 near ready guys which has been Beane's preferred way to go for Hill and then ship Hill to whomever they want the younger starter for.
 

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I want a clutch veteran hitter. We need better situational hitting. Winning in the playoffs is all about getting key hits at critical moments. We've sucked at that.

Plus we need a shut 'em down lefty in the pen.

I'm still against mortgaging our future but if we can do this with blocked prospects - lets get it done.


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The Chapman thing reeks of Papelbon last year to the Nationals where you just piss off your closer now and add this potentially volatile closer. Miller, though more expensive, obviously fills a need better as you can mix and match him and Rondon in the eighth and ninth as well as solving the problem long term.
 

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DanTown said:
The Chapman thing reeks of Papelbon last year to the Nationals where you just piss off your closer now and add this potentially volatile closer. Miller, though more expensive, obviously fills a need better as you can mix and match him and Rondon in the eighth and ninth as well as solving the problem long term.
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I've been saying this for a long time. Chapman comes with a ton of risk and not all of it is the obvious kind. How do you replace Rondon and then ask him to be the guy again next year? If you get Miller you basically set it up as a 2 man competition going forward and the bet guy gets the 9th. you wouldn't do that with a rental.
 
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TC in Mississippi said:
I've been saying this for a long time. Chapman comes with a ton of risk and not all of it is the obvious kind. How do you replace Rondon and then ask him to be the guy again next year? If you get Miller you basically set it up as a 2 man competition going forward and the bet guy gets the 9th. you wouldn't do that with a rental.
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People want to trade Schwarber for Chapman now. Lol I swear people are just stupid. They cant manage their own lives, but they know how to manage a team.
 

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People want to trade Schwarber for Chapman now. Lol I swear people are just stupid. They cant manage their own lives, but they know how to manage a team.
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The slump messed with a lot of people's brain chemistry I think. There are a lot of bad baseball thoughts in cubdom right now.
 

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beckdawg said:
Perhaps but if Vogelbach is the name moving things does that not make him the important piece?
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Or that is the piece that the Cubs would most likely want to move since he is arguably the most blocked.
 

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brett05 said:
Or that is the piece that the Cubs would most likely want to move since he is arguably the most blocked.
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I'm sure that Vogelbach is their preferred movable piece but my point was more that if the media is shifting from Schwarber to Vogelbach it likely means the yankees are looking more for a power bat rather than say Torres which changes the equation in my eyes. If you're talking about giving up Vogelbach and say McKinney that's probably fine. And McKinney would technically be a higher rated prospect though you could probably make the case that if Vogelbach wasn't more of a DH he'd be viewed differently. Regardless, that sort of deal is entirely different than including Happ/Torres on the lower end and Schwarber in the high end of what their supposed wants are/were. I don't particularly love the idea of dealing hitting prospects for relievers but I can live with that sort of trade because those players are largely not useful to the cubs right now.
 
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Don't see why they would want McKenny. They will need a RF next year so Soler makes sense.
 
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The Cubs have an embarrassment of riches, I just think Cashman is a total moron and not worth wasting time with. Let him overplay his hand and be standing there without quality prospects at the end of the day.

Montgomery has had fantastic season before, is having one now, and fits the bill of a lefty in middle relief. Well done as usual Epstein. Surely not finished, great start.

All the best to Vogelbech and hopefully good for both teams, especially the Cubs in the immediate.

Get Joe Nathan up here, Soler/Fowler back in the mix....this team needs nothing...if Chapman can be had for distant pieces (not baby Ruth) the Cubs would become hard to beat.

Miller is a pipe dream and not worth it.

The other addition they need is a hot Heyward. They already rolled that dice, so just gotta cross fingers.
 
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