Trade deadline/rumors

[brett05]

Outside of Beckdawg, who overvalued Alcantara?

PR, I'm not just speaking of CCS. Fine, I'll drop the point if you don't want to concede this.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Brett, I mentioned this in another thread but if the Red Sox ask your team for Quintana and Frazier for Yoan Moncada and Rafeal Devers do you do it? I'm not sure that would be the exact deal but I think the Red Sox are ripe for a deal like that could reset the White Sox trajectory pretty quickly.

 

[Parade_Rain]

PR, I'm not just speaking of CCS. Fine, I'll drop the point if you don't want to concede this.

OK. Let me rephrase. What legitimate baseball outlet overvalued Alcantara?

 

[brett05]

Brett, I mentioned this in another thread but if the Red Sox ask your team for Quintana and Frazier for Yoan Moncada and Rafeal Devers do you do it? I'm not sure that would be the exact deal but I think the Red Sox are ripe for a deal like that could reset the White Sox trajectory pretty quickly.

It's an interesting start but it is not enough for Q. I'd rather give Rodon or Fulmer for that package.

 

[brett05]

OK. Let me rephrase. What legitimate baseball outlet overvalued Alcantara?

None that I am aware of

 

[Washington]

@LaurenceWHolmes: This is the Schwarber trade idea piece we are talking about right now on The Score. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-value-of-kyle-schwarber/

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Very interesting read considering some here are saying he's the next Babe Ruth, which he could still be. Interesting read nonetheless.

 

[Washington]

I also hate this idea that people throw out that one world series win cures everything. I mean I get it, cubs fans want to win finally.

It does not cure everything but it is one heck of a start. When you have been the laughingstock of a sport for close to 11 decades and are mired in weirdness with a curse, Bartman, etc, you need a championship first and foremost. After all, championships are what you play for. Being competitive gets you a nice atta boy and more laughter when you are the lovable losers. Our streak of futility is laughable and of epic proportion making us arguably the biggest laughingstock in the history of sports. That will not end without a championship. It gets worse with every passing season.

If dealing one guy is "mortgaging the future", whatever that even is, then your system is already flawed. One can say our system is flawed because we have not developed pitching and have to buy/trade for all our pitchers. In that case, you trade from your strengths obviously. You have to give to get.

Winning is all that matters. 2nd place is for losers. All I care about right now, is winning a championship this year. There are no guarantees of anything tomorrow. That is why I LOVE how Bowman runs the show with the Hawks and he has championships to show for it yet they are competitive every year still. He "gets it" and I love that. The Hawks are now looked highly upon in sports.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Very interesting read considering some here are saying he's the next Babe Ruth, which he could still be. Interesting read nonetheless.

I find myself disagreeing with Cameron not for the end conclusions but for the process. He weights the performance of a 22 year old Schwarber way too highly in extrapolating a career. That said he could be right. Theo and Jed, on the other, hand know what's inside this kid more than Cameron or any of us and have obviously come to some different conclusions. Scouting tends to be better whne combined not only with numbers but with gut. Now all that said I personally love Schwarber, I love his obvious enthusiasm and that bat can be scary. I would trade him in the right deal though but that deal would have to include starting pitching. This is not a player you move for a relief arm, or even two relief arms with one as a rental. The Cubs have about a 25% chance at winning the World Series right now, what does adding Miller and Chapman add to that? 3 percentage points, 4? Knowing that this team has only 2 starting pitchers under contract for 2018 makes that incremental odds change not worth it considering Schwarber could be the currency for starting pitching.

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

I, personally, am insulted that "expects" would compare Babe Schwarber to Babe Ruth. Schwarbie's floor is Babe Ruth's ceiling.

 

[Washington]

I The Cubs have about a 25% chance at winning the World Series right now, what does adding Miller and Chapman add to that? 3 percentage points, 4? Knowing that this team has only 2 starting pitchers under contract for 2018 makes that incremental odds change not worth it considering Schwarber could be the currency for starting pitching.

Good God, we are trying to win a championship THIS YEAR. Worrying about 2018 makes no sense at all when you are in contention to win NOW. Now is all that matters. Focus on today. You can't control tomorrow. Of course you want some foresight but not if it impacts your ability to win today when we should win it all this year. Anything less than a championship this year should be treated as a major failure.

Time for Theo to get some pitchers developed instead of having to buy/trade for them all. Maybe the light bulb goes on for some pitcher next year? Worrying about 2 years in the future when you can win a championship now is so Cubs.

Perhaps we are going about this all wrong as it seems that people are more concerned about being competitive next year and keeping the streak alive versus actually winning something of importance which is what every other team strives to do. When the streak hits 110, Chicago should plan a parade of epic proportion to celebrate this ongoing futility. We can title the theme "We haven't won shit in 110 years, but by golly, we're competitive and that is all that matters."

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Good God, we are trying to win a championship THIS YEAR. Worrying about 2018 makes no sense at all when you are in contention to win NOW. Now is all that matters. Focus on today. You can't control tomorrow. Of course you want some foresight but not if it impacts your ability to win today when we should win it all this year. Anything less than a championship this year should be looked on as a major failure.

Time for Theo to get some pitchers developed instead of having to buy/trade for them all. Maybe the light bulb goes on for some pitcher next year? Worrying about 2 years in the future when you can win a championship now is so Cubs.

Perhaps we are going about this all wrong as it seems that people are more concerned about being competitive next year and keeping the streak alive versus actually winning something of importance which is what every other team strives to do. When the streak hits 110, Chicago should plan a parade of epic proportion to celebrate this ongoing futility. We can title the theme "We haven't won shit in 110 years, but by golly, we're competitive and that is all that matters."

The way to win a championship is to get there every year. The odds of winning in a specific year are quite large. There is no move the Cubs could make that will make them more a prohibitive favorite for thee WS than they are now. That doesn't mean they shouldn't make moves, it just means they have to have a larger picture in mind.

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

While I am still against giving up the farm for one single year, I've heard a few good points on sports radio recently that have shifted my perspective slightly. One was from Steve Stone who said if you are in position to win - you never know when that opportunity will come around again. Yes we have a young core and looked primed to be very good for many years. But next year Rizzo and Lester could get major injuries and our chances of winning go out the window.

Nothing in the future is guaranteed. We are in first place in late July so we do have a chance to win. I personally would acquire Chapman and possibly Beltran, as neither would cost the farm. We desperately need a tough, veteran hitter who can come through with RISP. I don't know if he's on the juice or what, but Beltran some how has 20 HR's with solid BA/OBP this year. How the heck old is Beltran? He's like going Julio Franco style.

 

[Omeletpants]

Beltran has a timeless, silky smooth hitting stroke.Even if he loses a step running, he will he will still be able to hit until he is 45. Plus he is a great push bunter so forget any team shifting on him. Plus he can hit a sacrifice fly on command which no one on the current Cubs team can do well

 

[anotheridiot]

Good God, we are trying to win a championship THIS YEAR. Worrying about 2018 makes no sense at all when you are in contention to win NOW. Now is all that matters. Focus on today. You can't control tomorrow. Of course you want some foresight but not if it impacts your ability to win today when we should win it all this year. Anything less than a championship this year should be treated as a major failure.

Time for Theo to get some pitchers developed instead of having to buy/trade for them all. Maybe the light bulb goes on for some pitcher next year? Worrying about 2 years in the future when you can win a championship now is so Cubs.

Perhaps we are going about this all wrong as it seems that people are more concerned about being competitive next year and keeping the streak alive versus actually winning something of importance which is what every other team strives to do. When the streak hits 110, Chicago should plan a parade of epic proportion to celebrate this ongoing futility. We can title the theme "We haven't won shit in 110 years, but by golly, we're competitive and that is all that matters."

I just dont see it happening. Yes, this year they went all pitching, with the additional cost for Heyward, Lackey or Zobrist being our first and second round picks, but the trade of Paul Blackburn showed that theo is just not interested in developing starting pitching.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I just dont see it happening. Yes, this year they went all pitching, with the additional cost for Heyward, Lackey or Zobrist being our first and second round picks, but the trade of Paul Blackburn showed that theo is just not interested in developing starting pitching.

Blackburn was BOR starter prospect at best. The guys you want to watch are Dylan Cease, Oscar de la Cruz and maybe Jose Paulino. Duane Underwood and Ryan Williams could still be BOR starters and definitely have more potential than Blackburn.

 

[zack54attack]

Jay Bruce?

https://twitter.com/jonmorosi/status/756546585962524672

 

[anotheridiot]

as usual cubs are linked to everyone. With Contrares, Fowler, Heyward, Bryant, Zobrist Sczcur, Soler and cough cough Coghlan, its really going to make alot of fans scratch their heads if they get yet another outfielder.

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

as usual cubs are linked to everyone. With Contrares, Fowler, Heyward, Bryant, Zobrist Sczcur, Soler and cough cough Coghlan, its really going to make alot of fans scratch their heads if they get yet another outfielder.

Coughlan is awful. He better not be on the playoff roster. Contreras is really, really young and I'm not sure I'd want him at the plate in a late-inning, 1-run game in October. Szczur's had a really good 61 games this season but he's a 27 year old guy with only 140 MLB games under his belt. You want him in with RISP in the 8th inning of Game 5 in the NLCS?

And Soler is so hot/cold and frequently injured, tough to rely on him -- although he was magnificent last October.

It makes a lot of sense to grab a guy like Beltran.

 

[chibears55]

as usual cubs are linked to everyone. With Contrares, Fowler, Heyward, Bryant, Zobrist Sczcur, Soler and cough cough Coghlan, its really going to make alot of fans scratch their heads if they get yet another outfielder.

Zobrist is 2B
Contreras should be catching
Szczur is a 4th/5th OFer
Soler is potential trade bait you can cant count on
Cogs has 1 foot in the dumpster

Youd rather have those guys over a Reddick or Bruce from left side and most likely Bryant in LF against tough lefties..

Dont think so

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[chibears55]

While I am still against giving up the farm for one single year, I've heard a few good points on sports radio recently that have shifted my perspective slightly. One was from Steve Stone who said if you are in position to win - you never know when that opportunity will come around again. Yes we have a young core and looked primed to be very good for many years. But next year Rizzo and Lester could get major injuries and our chances of winning go out the window.

Nothing in the future is guaranteed. We are in first place in late July so we do have a chance to win. I personally would acquire Chapman and possibly Beltran, as neither would cost the farm. We desperately need a tough, veteran hitter who can come through with RISP. I don't know if he's on the juice or what, but Beltran some how has 20 HR's with solid BA/OBP this year. How the heck old is Beltran? He's like going Julio Franco style.

Ive been saying this all along..

This is their best opportunity to win it all in a while..

So, if they have an opportunity to add pieces that could enhance their chances with winning it this year, then they should add tbose guys..

Noone saying drain the farm , but dont do nothing

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