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Didn't he trade sammy sosa for george "taco" bell? White Sox must make moves that better their future. If the Cubs have the best deal. They got to take it. Plus Sale is going to cost an arm and a leg because of his cap friendly deal. Schwarber, Hendricks and 2 of the top prospects.
 

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@CSNChicago: Report: Rangers making "serious effort" to trade for #WhiteSox Chris Sale - cmcst.sn/5Ln2

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that would be the Cubs luck..
Finally get to World Series and have to face Rangers with Hamels and Sales

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@CSNChicago: Report: Rangers making "serious effort" to trade for #WhiteSox Chris Sale - cmcst.sn/5Ln2

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that would be the Cubs luck..
Finally get to World Series and have to face Rangers with Hamels and Sales

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and the way Cubs fold in close games we would be talking about the Cubs getting swept
 

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@CSNChicago: Report: Rangers making "serious effort" to trade for #WhiteSox Chris Sale - cmcst.sn/5Ln2

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that would be the Cubs luck..
Finally get to World Series and have to face Rangers with Hamels and Sales

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If the Sox turn down Profar and Gallo for Sale he's not getting traded cuz I can't see anyone offering better than that which by that I mean I'm not sure anyone can offer better than that. MAYBE the dodgers could.
 

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If the Sox turn down Profar and Gallo for Sale he's not getting traded cuz I can't see anyone offering better than that which by that I mean I'm not sure anyone can offer better than that. MAYBE the dodgers could.
Yea...
Was that the big offer they turned away yesterday

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Schwarber, McKinney, Candelario, Almora, Hendricks, Torres, and Santos would be an interesting deal for Sale + Lawrie.

Let's look at that for the Sox

middle of the order bat - Schwarber
solid starter - Almora, Hendricks
close to majors youth - Candelario, McKinney
future top position player - Torres
flier on good/young pitcher - Santos

Maybe some team would give a better second player but I don't think a team would give the 2017 White potentially five regular players, which is what you'd assume Schwarber/Almora/Hendricks/Candelario/McKinney could be. I mean by 2018, those are probably five starters with only Hendricks not in pre-Arb.\

The Cubs best value in a trade is finding a team like the White Sox (who has very little depth in their farm system) and offering guys like Candelario/McKinney/Almora/Soler/etc who are most likely blocked here in some way from being a regular player because of the presence of other better players but who other teams would gladly accept as their sort of farm team. A guy like McKinney (who is at least two+ years away from having a shot at regular time if that) would instantly become the Sox's best hitting prospect.

This is the White Sox's best position player (Trey Michalczewski) grades:
Scouting grades: Hit: 45 | Power: 50 | Run: 40 | Arm: 55 | Field: 50 | Overall: 50

This is Candelario
Scouting grades: Hit: 50 | Power: 55 | Run: 40 | Arm: 55 | Field: 50 | Overall: 50

This is the kind of deal where both sides will feel like they won: the Sox added much needed depth to their team while the Cubs added a cost controlled ace for very little cost at their MLB roster.
 

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Schwarber, McKinney, Candelario, Almora, Hendricks, Torres, and Santos would be an interesting deal for Sale + Lawrie.

Let's look at that for the Sox

middle of the order bat - Schwarber
solid starter - Almora, Hendricks
close to majors youth - Candelario, McKinney
future top position player - Torres
flier on good/young pitcher - Santos

Maybe some team would give a better second player but I don't think a team would give the 2017 White potentially five regular players, which is what you'd assume Schwarber/Almora/Hendricks/Candelario/McKinney could be. I mean by 2018, those are probably five starters with only Hendricks not in pre-Arb.\

The Cubs best value in a trade is finding a team like the White Sox (who has very little depth in their farm system) and offering guys like Candelario/McKinney/Almora/Soler/etc who are most likely blocked here in some way from being a regular player because of the presence of other better players but who other teams would gladly accept as their sort of farm team. A guy like McKinney (who is at least two+ years away from having a shot at regular time if that) would instantly become the Sox's best hitting prospect.

This is the White Sox's best position player (Trey Michalczewski) grades:
Scouting grades: Hit: 45 | Power: 50 | Run: 40 | Arm: 55 | Field: 50 | Overall: 50

This is Candelario
Scouting grades: Hit: 50 | Power: 55 | Run: 40 | Arm: 55 | Field: 50 | Overall: 50

This is the kind of deal where both sides will feel like they won: the Sox added much needed depth to their team while the Cubs added a cost controlled ace for very little cost at their MLB roster.
Cant we find a way to make the Sox take Soler?
 

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I hope some of you don't think their done dealing and Montgomery is their big trade acquisition...



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Thinking Quintana would be more the target than Sale because as you mention cost. That being said, I some what doubt they'd want Hendricks. Their two top prospects are both pitchers(Spencer Adams and Carson Fulmer) and if you consider right now their starting staff is Sale, Quintana, Carlos Rodon, James Shields(stuck with for a couple more years). I think they'd prefer bats.

5:23pm: The Rangers are “making [a] serious effort” to pry Sale loose from the White Sox, according to MLB.com’s T.R. Sullivan (via Twitter). Evan Grant of the Dallas Morning News reported recently that the two teams were already chatting about Sale (and Quintana, too) before it became apparent that Chicago was leaning toward selling.

There’s “no indication” as yet whether these talks are going to go anywhere, Sullivan notes, so it doesn’t sound as if there’s anything building in the immediate term. Indeed, Grant adds on Twitter that no “serious talks” have occurred as of this point. The key takeaway seems to be that Texas at least plans to take a real shot at pulling off a blockbuster.

Indications are that Chicago would have interest in Joey Gallo and Jurickson Profar in any scenario involving Sale. We’ve heard those two names quite a bit of late, and obviously the pair carries a lot of trade value. Still, it’s quite likely that Texas would need to add some real talent to that package to get the White Sox to budge.

Sale, after all, is just 27 years of age, remains under control at cheap rates through 2019, and carries a 3.18 ERA over a league-leading 133 frames on the year. Particularly with the contracts factored in, Sale is one of the most valuable single pitching assets in all of baseball — with Quintana not far behind him.
 

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That is a good offer for Sale. Profar and Gallo. Nets the big left bat and a former #1 prospect.
 

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Cant we find a way to make the Sox take Soler?

Probably could do that deal with Jorge instead of either McKinney or Candelario. The point remains that the Cubs have a unique plethora of quality prospects at many levels. We can hate Soler but the White Sox are waiting on Garica after 1300+ MLB PA where as Soler has 650 career PA. Part of that is due to his injuries but part of that is due to the fact the Cubs the past two years (and going into the future) cannot develop a guy like Soler with the reps he needs because of how much talent you have around him.

I think Soler (like most young players) would be fine if he was just left in the lineup everyday for six weeks and he knew that the eventual downturn in his offense for a week wasn't going to get him traded and/or benched. But in Chicago for the Cubs, there are too many other guys who can play to just give a guy time like that.
 

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Probably could do that deal with Jorge instead of either McKinney or Candelario. The point remains that the Cubs have a unique plethora of quality prospects at many levels. We can hate Soler but the White Sox are waiting on Garica after 1300+ MLB PA where as Soler has 650 career PA. Part of that is due to his injuries but part of that is due to the fact the Cubs the past two years (and going into the future) cannot develop a guy like Soler with the reps he needs because of how much talent you have around him.

I think Soler (like most young players) would be fine if he was just left in the lineup everyday for six weeks and he knew that the eventual downturn in his offense for a week wasn't going to get him traded and/or benched. But in Chicago for the Cubs, there are too many other guys who can play to just give a guy time like that.
Most good teams cant afford to let someone like Soler develop and find himself. They need to be able to perform and add value quickly
 

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If the Sox turn down Profar and Gallo for Sale he's not getting traded cuz I can't see anyone offering better than that which by that I mean I'm not sure anyone can offer better than that. MAYBE the dodgers could.

They would have to add a arm also to net Sale. But that is heading in the right direction. LH power bat. Schwarber = Gallo. Profar is MLB ready and his talent is up with Baez.

So in theory if you went Happ or Torres you would have to add to make it happen.

By going farm alone not affecting the play of roster:

Torres, Eloy, Ceace, McKenny to get the talks going. 4-1 package and that is debatable due to the eta of these guys. If the sox are just looking to refill like the Cubs did and wait this is not a bad idea. Toss in 1` of the 3 lefties and move on or soak another young RH to counter the lefties. If they are looking for a fast adjustment you take the Rangers deal and run. Add a quality arm in their pipe and move on.
 

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Probably could do that deal with Jorge instead of either McKinney or Candelario. The point remains that the Cubs have a unique plethora of quality prospects at many levels. We can hate Soler but the White Sox are waiting on Garica after 1300+ MLB PA where as Soler has 650 career PA. Part of that is due to his injuries but part of that is due to the fact the Cubs the past two years (and going into the future) cannot develop a guy like Soler with the reps he needs because of how much talent you have around him.

I think Soler (like most young players) would be fine if he was just left in the lineup everyday for six weeks and he knew that the eventual downturn in his offense for a week wasn't going to get him traded and/or benched. But in Chicago for the Cubs, there are too many other guys who can play to just give a guy time like that.

Candy is a toss in player. He is not a elite 3B talent. Soler is just a bad player in general. On the sox they would be forced to use him as a DH just to get him a full season of work in. It feels more like doing the Cubs a favor by taking the rest of his deal.
 

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Candy is a toss in player. He is not a elite 3B talent. Soler is just a bad player in general. On the sox they would be forced to use him as a DH just to get him a full season of work in. It feels more like doing the Cubs a favor by taking the rest of his deal.

Candelario might not be elite but he's A) cheap and B) good enough to be a top half of the league 3B. If the Sox are blowing it up and starting over, he might not be an immediate long term option for them but neither was Olt when the cubs took on him.
 

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Or

That the reason why you add players to upgrade and help beat those teams

Otherwise

You can sit here every year for the next couple years and say that about those teams

I don't understand why some are afraid to trade away kids..
Again, who in their system beside maybe Torres and Jiminez who are probably a good 2-3 yrs away will be replacing any of the 26 and under position players already on team in next 3+ yrs

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Add players? Absolutely!

Upgrade? Of course!

Do what some suggest and trade key future assets for a "one time" shot now just because you're very good? No thanks.
 

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They would have to add a arm also to net Sale. But that is heading in the right direction. LH power bat. Schwarber = Gallo. Profar is MLB ready and his talent is up with Baez.

So in theory if you went Happ or Torres you would have to add to make it happen.

By going farm alone not affecting the play of roster:

Torres, Eloy, Ceace, McKenny to get the talks going. 4-1 package and that is debatable due to the eta of these guys. If the sox are just looking to refill like the Cubs did and wait this is not a bad idea. Toss in 1` of the 3 lefties and move on or soak another young RH to counter the lefties. If they are looking for a fast adjustment you take the Rangers deal and run. Add a quality arm in their pipe and move on.

You're not getting Sale without trading a major leaguer. Not even starting the conversation.
 

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Add players? Absolutely!

Upgrade? Of course!

Do what some suggest and trade key future assets for a "one time" shot now just because you're very good? No thanks.
Who are your key future players that going to knock out current players , besides maybe Torres and Jiminez that you feel will be everyday players

Who do you think their trading to add players and upgrading

For the record, I'm not saying trade Schwarber for Miller either, was always against that but I have no problem if they traded Schwarber for that under 30 controlled SP

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Candy is a toss in player. He is not a elite 3B talent. Soler is just a bad player in general. On the sox they would be forced to use him as a DH just to get him a full season of work in. It feels more like doing the Cubs a favor by taking the rest of his deal.

Candy is also the fifth best player in the deal. The point is those seven guys are more valuable to the Sox (a team with poor depth) than the Cubs (a super deep team). People all the time confuse the ranks of a Cubs prospect compared to the team as the players trade value. The Vogelbach trade was not the first time Theo and company will trade away a player(s) because they are blocked.
 

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