Trade deadline/rumors

[CSF77]

I don't think it's a matter of upgrading Rondon

Think its more of thinking ahead and having a shut down lefty to use late in playoff games against teams like the National and Giants whose best hitters are LH

Plus

With Strop Rondon and Chapman, they pretty much have a 3 man rotation to close out the 8th and 9th inning keeping them all fresh..
Add in Wood Montgomery Edwards and Cahill

This ends up being a stud bullpen making it tough for teams from 7th inning on.

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Depends on the asking price.

 

[CSF77]

I almost believe they are in on him to keep the Nats from getting him

 

[chibears55]

Depends on the asking price.

Epstein going to give up what he feels comfortable giving to get a guy he wants...


I'm sure a part of wanting Chapman is to keep him from going to the Nats or Giants, which I'm sure is their thinking too.
and which is why it might cost a bit more then just say Soler to get him.

I'm the wrong guy to discuss dealing kids in minors for pieces that going to help them win, as long as whomever their dealing away isnt someone that could be a fixture on team for years..

I don't see many kids in system that going to overtake anyone starting on team now in next few years..
Maybe Torres at 2B or SS if Russell can't get it going consistently with bat.
And
Jiminez who could take a corner spot in a couple years



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[CSF77]

I would be fine with Underwood. I don't believe Theo is going to build the rotation via the farm. That was never the plan. If something happens sure but not at all co-dependent.

So he makes sense. He is close enough to ready and has TOR potential. Yanks have proven they can make guys into quality starters. You would have to add a 2nd player. Soler is still my #1 guy I want used here.

 

[chibears55]

Lester would of been better off running at him...

Going to be a long day if he gives up baserunners, their going to run all day on him

Edit: lol wrong thread

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[Omeletpants]

Theo is smart and realizes that this is not a playoff contending team. So he is going to keep guys like Schwarber and wait a year or two until this team is ready for prime time

 

[DanTown]

Theo is smart and realizes that this is not a playoff contending team. So he is going to keep guys like Schwarber and wait a year or two until this team is ready for prime time

At what general area do they not appear to be a "contending" team? They are among NL teams

Batting Average - 7th
On Base - 2nd
Slugging - 4th
OPS - 2nd
Offensive fWAR - 1st
ERA - 2nd
FIP - 6th
XFIP - 5th
Pitching fWAR - 5th
Defense Runs Saved - 1st
UZR - 1st
Defense fWAR - 2nd
Total WAR - 1st

I mean the best team rarely wins in baseball but to try and make an argument that the Cubs aren't at the level of other teams in the National League is horribly wrong. You could not make a reasonable argument that the Cubs are below some teams. Now, being a good team doesn't mean you WILL win the WS but even the best teams in baseball have at best a 20-25% chance of winning the WS so there is very little you can ever do to have a "sure fire" WS team.

All guys like Theo care about is the process of getting as good as you can as many times as you can. People like you care about results but results are literally impossible to predict. No one would have said that the Braves would make the playoffs 13 times in 14 years and win only 1 WS while the Marlins would make the playoffs twice in 14 years and win two WS.

 

[Omeletpants]

At what general area do they not appear to be a "contending" team? They are among NL teams

Batting Average - 7th
On Base - 2nd
Slugging - 4th
OPS - 2nd
Offensive fWAR - 1st
ERA - 2nd
FIP - 6th
XFIP - 5th
Pitching fWAR - 5th
Defense Runs Saved - 1st
UZR - 1st
Defense fWAR - 2nd
Total WAR - 1st

Their YTD stats are meaningless. Look at the last 5-6 weeks and they are trending to a very average and overrated team. Look at their "come back" stats which suck. This is a team fully capable of being swept in the first round

 

[chibears55]

At what general area do they not appear to be a "contending" team? They are among NL teams

Batting Average - 7th
On Base - 2nd
Slugging - 4th
OPS - 2nd
Offensive fWAR - 1st
ERA - 2nd
FIP - 6th
XFIP - 5th
Pitching fWAR - 5th
Defense Runs Saved - 1st
UZR - 1st
Defense fWAR - 2nd
Total WAR - 1st

Interesting, yet they've struggled heavily to win games the last month or so

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[SilenceS]

Their YTD stats are meaningless. Look at the last 5-6 weeks and they are trending to a very average and overrated team. Look at their "come back" stats which suck. This is a team fully capable of being swept in the first round

Biggest division lead in the majors. Best record. Naa, not a playoff contending team. I know you like to troll, but you sound like a dumb troll. Go do some calisthenics and give your fingers a break.

 

[DanTown]

Their YTD stats are meaningless. Look at the last 5-6 weeks and they are trending to a very average and overrated team. Look at their "come back" stats which suck. This is a team fully capable of being swept in the first round

Why should I care about the most recent six weeks over the entire 16 weeks of the season? Why would I limit the sample? Also, what changed six weeks ago? If you want to make some argument that Contreras as a C makes their pitching staff worse, I would at least understand that argument because it's backed by data. But I don't just forget the first 10 weeks of the season and how they played; that play is part of evaluating them.

Right now, they're not playing well. But guess what? That happens to teams. The Giants are 1-6 since the ASB and they're down 5-0 today (soon to be 1-7). The Mets wouldn't even be a playoff team right now. The Nationals are good but they are 28-26 outside their division.

Every team has flaws and can be beat; what makes YOU different is that you think the Cubs are the only ones who have these bad stretches. And then you quote the crazy fans who think/thought the Cubs were the best team ever as proof to how the fan base really thinks when he's just an outlier.

 

[Omeletpants]

Biggest division lead in the majors. Best record. Naa, not a playoff contending team. I know you like to troll, but you sound like a dumb troll. Go do some calisthenics and give your fingers a break.

Trend is your friend. What they did in April-May means nothing now. This is just a mediocre team now

 

[Omeletpants]

Why should I care about the most recent six weeks over the entire 16 weeks of the season? Why would I limit the sample?

Because data from April-May is not representative of they way they are playing now

 

[SilenceS]

Trend is your friend. What they did in April-May means nothing now. This is just a mediocre team now

So, does this mean they will be playing like this in September or are you just talking conjecture?

 

[DanTown]

Because data from April-May is not representative of they way they are playing now

So if two months ago doesn't matter now, why will mid June-mid July (three months before the postseason) matter in determining their playoff success? I mean you're basically saying that how they're playing EXCEPT the previous six weeks of the season doesn't matter. So take some time off, come back right before the playoffs, and use the final six weeks of the season for evaluating the Cubs chances if this is how you really feel.

 

[Omeletpants]

So, does this mean they will be playing like this in September or are you just talking conjecture?

Hope they arent playing this way in Sept.

Right now they suck. They have no spark, unable to come back in a game. If they playoffs started tomorrow no chance of them even getting to the WS

 

[SilenceS]

Hope they arent playing this way in Sept.

Right now they suck. They have no spark, unable to come back in a game. If they playoffs started tomorrow no chance of them even getting to the WS

:cringe::hawked:

 

[DanTown]

Hope they arent playing this way in Sept.

Right now they suck. They have no spark, unable to come back in a game. If they playoffs started tomorrow no chance of them even getting to the WS

If recency is all that matters then now of this matters in evaluating their chances of winning because the playoffs don't start for another 10 weeks.

 

[Omeletpants]

Notice how the umpires at cooling themselves with cold, wet towels? There is a great article on espn about the 27 Yankees and how babe ruth started the team wearing wet cabbage leaves under their caps when they played in St. Louis

 

[chibears55]

Why should I care about the most recent six weeks over the entire 16 weeks of the season? Why would I limit the sample? Also, what changed six weeks ago? If you want to make some argument that Contreras as a C makes their pitching staff worse, I would at least understand that argument because it's backed by data. But I don't just forget the first 10 weeks of the season and how they played; that play is part of evaluating them.

Right now, they're not playing well. But guess what? That happens to teams. The Giants are 1-6 since the ASB and they're down 5-0 today (soon to be 1-7). The Mets wouldn't even be a playoff team right now. The Nationals are good but they are 28-26 outside their division.

Every team has flaws and can be beat; what makes YOU different is that you think the Cubs are the only ones who have these bad stretches. And then you quote the crazy fans who think/thought the Cubs were the best team ever as proof to how the fan base really thinks when he's just an outlier.

Please someone tell me how Contreras made the pitching staff worse in the last 35 games, not including today mess with Ross catching. When he only started 12 games and they went 5-7 in those games and 10-13 in the others started by Ross and Montero.

You forgot the Cardinals who won 7 of 10 and if cubs lose and they win tonight will just be 5 1/2 back and its a race again for division...
Why Cubs need to upgrade at certain positions to strengthen themselves.

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