Trade deadline/rumors

[DanTown]

Please someone tell me how Contreras made the pitching staff worse in the last 35 games, not including today mess with Ross catching. When he only started 12 games and they went 5-7 in those games and 10-18 in the others started by Ross and Montero.

You forgot the Cardinals who won 7 of 10 and if cubs lose and they win tonight will just be 5 1/2 back and its a race again for division...
Why Cubs need to upgrade at certain positions to strengthen themselves.

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When Contreras is catching, the pitching staff ERA is 4.57 (3.05 without him behind the plate). The pitching staff has given up a HR every 18.1 PA with Contreras behind the plate, it's one every 38.2 PA with everyone else. Teams are slugging .435 with Contreras behind the plate; only .323 with Montero and .355 with Ross. And that's with Contreras having the lowest catcher BABIP (.234) on the team.

I'm not sitting here and saying Contreras is the reason for the slump (He's not THE reason, he's a small part in a lot of small reasons) and it's also entirely possible that it was built a lot on coincidence as opposed to Contreras actually being the cause of the poor pitching performance. But they are only 7-9 with him starting at C.

And again, the data exists to make the argument of Contreras not helping the team enough when he is catching. There is very little data to suggest the Cubs aren't a good team unless you want to start eliminating good play and only focusing on bad play. Which is as stupid as it sounds.

 

[chibears55]

When Contreras is catching, the pitching staff ERA is 4.57 (3.05 without him behind the plate). The pitching staff has given up a HR every 18.1 PA with Contreras behind the plate, it's one every 38.2 PA with everyone else. Teams are slugging .435 with Contreras behind the plate; only .323 with Montero and .355 with Ross. And that's with Contreras having the lowest catcher BABIP (.234) on the team.

I'm not sitting here and saying Contreras is the reason for the slump (He's not THE reason, he's a small part in a lot of small reasons) and it's also entirely possible that it was built a lot on coincidence as opposed to Contreras actually being the cause of the poor pitching performance. But they are only 7-9 with him starting at C.

And again, the data exists to make the argument of Contreras not helping the team enough when he is catching. There is very little data to suggest the Cubs aren't a good team unless you want to start eliminating good play and only focusing on bad play.

Are you comparing his stats from season total or during the 35 game stretch with Ross and Montero catching?




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[chibears55]

Dbacks put Shelby Miller on block

I wouldn't mind if they try to get him now...
Have him pitch in Iowa til Sept., give him a start or two towards end if division wrapped up..
Work with him over winter and see what he got in ST


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[TC in Mississippi]

Gleyber Torres was lifted from the Myrtle Beach lineup today for whatever that's worth.

 

[chibears55]

@thekapman: One of the Cubs top prospects Gleyber Torres has been scratched from the lineup tonight in Myrtle Beach. #ChapmanWatch


Chapman didn't pitch 9th in save situation today either

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[TC in Mississippi]

I'm not thrilled about acquiring Chapman or losing Torres but maybe it's worth the short term risk.

 

[Shawon0Meter]

It needs to come with an extension or it's insane. Without one, it's World Series champions or horrible trade.

 

[chibears55]

@BleacherNation: Gleyber Torres Scratched, Reportedly in Offer to Yankees for Aroldis Chapman http://www.bleachernation.com/2016/...edly-in-offer-to-yankees-for-aroldis-chapman/ pic.twitter.com/UEhkMdD92R

Getting a bit excited here ?

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[chibears55]

Hearing the offer is Torres plus others
Maybe Beltran involved too

They hope to complete deal by monday


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[Shawon0Meter]

lol it's fun but the rumors are going to kill me

 

[chibears55]

It needs to come with an extension or it's insane. Without one, it's World Series champions or horrible trade.

No.. Its Epstein taking his shot with a kid who probably 2-3 yrs away and plays a position that blocked with Russell and Baez.

I look at it as the Cubs will have just about as good a chance at winning the series this year with the trade as Torres has being a successful major leaguer at this point.

Plus with draft trades IFA, Cubs can find another future SS prospect in next 2-3 yrs.

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[BaBaBlacksheep]

Too much for a rental, but would be forgiven of this is the final piece.

 

[beckdawg]

If it's just torres + for Chapman straight up I think that's a very bad deal for a rental. I'm not the biggest Nathan Eovaldi guy but if it were him and Chappman for Torres + I can live with the idea.

 

[chibears55]

Just heard the hold up is that their working on an extension with Chapman..
Why the Cubs mentioned earlier they hope to have it done by Monday

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[Shawon0Meter]

That's what I like to hear

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

Welp it's WS or bust now. I'm nervous we have too many holes and acquiring Chapman won't help our hitters hit with RISP.

Torres is a huge, huge chip to give up for a rental. Better win the pennant now.


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[chibears55]

If this deal gets done how are you as a cubs fan not excited about what Epstein was able to pull off to solidify the bullpen.

He would of brought in 2 solid LH relievers, one being all but lights out.
For 2 prospects... Vogelbach who was never going to be in a cubs uniform and a 19 YO SS in class A, who if he rises has Russell and Baez in front of him that what 23 yo and they still have Happ in system.

If their not able to extend by tomorrow, they still have 2 plus months to try and get something done...



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[chibears55]

Hearing now its not extension talks but this

@JulieDiCaro: Source: Names flying around in addition to Chapman are Beltran, Eovaldi & Pineda.

Soler name has been added in talks with Torres

Looking like this could be that mega deal I mentioned before and got heckled about...
Along with getting ragged about the Cubs going after Chapman..



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[beckdawg]

Sahadev Sharma @sahadevsharma
Hearing names are done, Torres the big fish from Cubs, but more being sent to Yanks. If finalized, Cubs get only Chapman.

 

[A.C. Milan]

Sahadev Sharma @sahadevsharma
Hearing names are done, Torres the big fish from Cubs, but more being sent to Yanks. If finalized, Cubs get only Chapman.

Hmm let's hope there is at least an extention on Chapman