Trade deadline/rumors

[beckdawg]

What does it take to acquire Blackmon? Can he hit a sacrifice fly or hit with RISP?

Depends on how many teams are in on him and how motivated the Rockies are to trade him. I think something like Szczur and a top 30 prospect(15-30) would probably be close though. Last year Austin Jackson was a 2.3 fWAR player. Cubs got him for a PTBNL. Baseball ref didn't ever mention who that was and I don't even remember a player going their way. So, they might have just gave them cash to complete the deal. Blackmon's been basically a 2 win player the past 3 years but unlike Jackson he has a bit more control left so he's probably worth slightly more.

 

[brett05]

What does Szcur provide that Blackmon doesn't?

 

[CSF77]

I was looking at Reddick's twitter timeline and he's a huge WWE fan. The Cubs need the hustle, loyalty, and respect that he brings.


Spoken like a true redneck

 

[Omeletpants]

I was looking at Reddick's twitter timeline and he's a huge WWE fan. The Cubs need the hustle, loyalty, and respect that he brings.


Spoken like a true redneck

You forgot the fire and passion

 

[CSF77]

What does Szcur provide that Blackmon doesn't?

nothing. Nice scrappy player. If a SH he would be a starter. But the numbers suggest he is starter quality

 

[Shawon0Meter]

I was looking at Reddick's twitter timeline and he's a huge WWE fan. The Cubs need the hustle, loyalty, and respect that he brings.


Spoken like a true redneck

Lmao...I would rather be classified as just about anything else.

 

[brett05]

nothing. Nice scrappy player. If a SH he would be a starter. But the numbers suggest he is starter quality

So then Colorado has no interest in him

 

[CSF77]

So then Colorado has no interest in him

He would replace Blackmon on the roster. Col. Is always looking for controllable pitching. Mostly due to no sane F/A starter ever signing there. Cease is ideal due to his power arm. Black brings it up to 98. His breaking stuff may end up affected.

But that is a deal that Col would Benifit. Get a replacement OF with 2 power arms to look ahead with.

 

[chibears55]

Heard cubs could be looking to snag one of the Rays starters
All are supposedly available

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[Shawon0Meter]

I'm excited about the trade deadline because there has to be another semi-big to big move. The Cubs gave up a lot for a rental in Chapman and there's no reason to stop going halfway to "all the way" in, it's too late.. The Cubs of the last 2 months will not win a playoff series. A trade will be made in which the Cubs will give up "too much".

 

[chibears55]

I'm excited about the trade deadline because there has to be another semi-big to big move. The Cubs gave up a lot for a rental in Chapman and there's no reason to stop going halfway to "all the way" in, it's too late.. The Cubs of the last 2 months will not win a playoff series. A trade will be made in which the Cubs will give up "too much".

Yea..
I'm still looking for them to add that LF bat
Also, I think their going to add another SP as a just in case type..not one that going to be inserted in rotation..

I think Soler going to be one of the players they move


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[beckdawg]

What does Szcur provide that Blackmon doesn't?

They have 3 LH hitting OFs in Dahl Cargo and Parra. Szczur is a cheap platoon mate for Parra who hits RH well. Think about it this way, if they trade Blackmon, they need to sign someone in FA to replace him. That's probably $6-7 mil given the relative lack of players next year. So, Szczur saves them that money. If Blackmon were someone who could net a top prospect then maybe you'd rather have that but what's he really going to get? 2 maybe 50 grade prospects at top? You'd probably rather have that money to throw into next years IFA class with a bunch of the heavy hitters forced to sit out.

 

[TL1961]

This is the best post I've ever seen on this page!

You hit about ten fucking nails right on the head!

This team is one Quality number 2 pitcher away from being a World Series championship team. That is the only hole I really see in this team.

Obviously if schwarber is on this team they are about three wins better but I think the platoon left field is producing quite well!

We haven't won since 1908 and if this isn't the time to get rid of young talent, when is it the right time?

Why are we ever trying to "get rid of young talent"?

 

[CSF77]

Yea..
I'm still looking for them to add that LF bat
Also, I think their going to add another SP as a just in case type..not one that going to be inserted in rotation..

I think Soler going to be one of the players they move


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Blackmon makes sense. Moves over to CF next year.

Could run:
Fowler, Blackmon, Bryant, Rizzo, Zobrist, Montero, Russell, Heyward vs RH
Fowler, Bryant, Rizzo, Zobrist, Contreras, Heyward, Baez, Russell vs LH

Right now they should be using LaStella at 3B and Bryant in LF vs RH. Not getting why Joe is not going there.

 

[brett05]

He would replace Blackmon on the roster. Col. Is always looking for controllable pitching. Mostly due to no sane F/A starter ever signing there. Cease is ideal due to his power arm. Black brings it up to 98. His breaking stuff may end up affected.

But that is a deal that Col would Benifit. Get a replacement OF with 2 power arms to look ahead with.

1) They have no need for a replacement of.
2) I don't see the Cubs having the arms to offer.

 

[beckdawg]

1) They have no need for a replacement of.

How do you figure? You still have to field a 25 man roster. None of their top 30 prospects in the OF(save for Dahl who's already up) are above AA. The OF on the roster outside of Cargo and Parra who would be starting presuming they deal Blackmon are Brandon Barnes(hitting .220/.250/.320 on the year), Ryan Raburn(.220/.304/.423) and Ben Paulsen(.258/.300/.379). Also for what it's worth, Parra is hitting .263/.274/.424. Szczur is hitting .290/.327/.439. That's not earth shatteringly good but given what they'd have left you can make a case he'd start.

And more to the point, you have to have depth even if you are rebuilding. You can't just entirely crater the team because ultimately someone has to play out there and you'd at least like someone to come see the games. Now maybe you argue they shouldn't trade Blackmon which is a fair argument but his name is reportedly out there. So, if they are talking about dealing him would you rather have Szczur who's not even arbitration eligible until 2019 or would you rather pay likely $4-5 mil for a temp fill in a la Austin Jackson(Sox are paying him $5 mil) to fill in for the loss of him next year? Also, on a per PA basis, Szczur has actually been worth more fWAR than Blackmon though that is a bit deceiving since he's been able to bat in favorable match ups more often.

You're talking about trading 2 years of control on a 2 fWAR player in Blackmon for 5 years of control on Szczur who's been worth 0.4 fWAR this year in 114 PAs this year. Blackmon's been worth 1.3 in 391 PAs. And on top of that, you're presumably getting a prospect who could be a major league player. I honestly can't imagine the Rockies are going to get more out of Blackmon than that.

 

[beckdawg]

Cease is ideal due to his power arm. Black brings it up to 98. His breaking stuff may end up affected.

I'm pretty sure there's about 0 chance the cubs deal Cease unless they are getting a proven starter in return. He's 20 and regularly hitting 97 and has hit 100. Also, he's curve is a plus pitch. You don't trade that sort of player if they can start and from all indications Cease can. Black matters less because his control limits him to relieving so I could see that. If they are trading two arms it would be someone like Stinnett most likely.

 

[CSF77]

Stinnett would also be fine. I was also thinking Underwood.

 

[brett05]

How do you figure? You still have to field a 25 man roster. None of their top 30 prospects in the OF(save for Dahl who's already up) are above AA. The OF on the roster outside of Cargo and Parra who would be starting presuming they deal Blackmon are Brandon Barnes(hitting .220/.250/.320 on the year), Ryan Raburn(.220/.304/.423) and Ben Paulsen(.258/.300/.379). Also for what it's worth, Parra is hitting .263/.274/.424. Szczur is hitting .290/.327/.439. That's not earth shatteringly good but given what they'd have left you can make a case he'd start.

And more to the point, you have to have depth even if you are rebuilding. You can't just entirely crater the team because ultimately someone has to play out there and you'd at least like someone to come see the games. Now maybe you argue they shouldn't trade Blackmon which is a fair argument but his name is reportedly out there. So, if they are talking about dealing him would you rather have Szczur who's not even arbitration eligible until 2019 or would you rather pay likely $4-5 mil for a temp fill in a la Austin Jackson(Sox are paying him $5 mil) to fill in for the loss of him next year? Also, on a per PA basis, Szczur has actually been worth more fWAR than Blackmon though that is a bit deceiving since he's been able to bat in favorable match ups more often.

You're talking about trading 2 years of control on a 2 fWAR player in Blackmon for 5 years of control on Szczur who's been worth 0.4 fWAR this year in 114 PAs this year. Blackmon's been worth 1.3 in 391 PAs. And on top of that, you're presumably getting a prospect who could be a major league player. I honestly can't imagine the Rockies are going to get more out of Blackmon than that.

Rather pay someone on the short term and get something of need. Szcur is not a piece. Sorry.

 

[beckdawg]

Rather pay someone on the short term and get something of need. Szcur is not a piece. Sorry.

But that's the point. Who's going to give up a big return for a league average player? If it's not Szczur they would instead get a prospect who's grades out as a bench player in the majors. Austin Jackson was actually worth more fWAR last year than any of Blackmon's seasons if memory serves and the cubs got him for cash. Now if you wanna argue 2 years of control is worth slightly more fine but no one is going to give up a player who is a starter be it pitcher or position player. The difference with Szczur is he's already at the major league level vs hoping on a prospect.

Put it this way. When the Rockies traded Dexter Fowler who's a better player than Blackmon they got Brandon Barnes and Jordan Lyles. Lyles has a career 5.15/4.40 ERA/FIP. I already mentioned how poor Barnes has been. When Fowler was again traded this time with only one year of control left to the cubs, they gave up Dan Straly and Valbuena who's basically an infield version of what Szczur is.