Trade deadline/rumors

[Raskolnikov]

One of the thoughts was going after Riddick for LF. This puts him in left and Bryant at 3B vs RH pitching. Baez at 3B and Bryant in LF vs LHP. Contreras would take over more at catcher then.

This is a move that might happen. Theo said minor tweaks because they went at it for long term and it would have cost current roster players to get. So they instead went to Chapman for future help

Only if you trade Soler for a starting pitcher, otherwise use Soler until he gets hot.

 

[CSF77]

Soler holds little value right now. At best he is the short stick in a platoon on a non contender.

The only reason he holds any value is based off of the hype that followed him a few years back. What he has been is injury prone and undisciplined as a player. To the point that he can't even run proper OF routes and lost his job in RF after being named the future there.

Teams don't want that. I doubt even Beane would want him as return to be honest

 

[czman]

If ppl are bitching in 3 yrs it won't because they traded Torres.
It would be because Russel and Baez busted, they did nothing to refill Torres departure in adding another MI prospect, and basically the whole team and system failed to win..

Torres is a 19 YO talented class A MI, he could be a very good major league ballplayer in the coming years but not having him won't be the cause of any future breakdown in quality young players on the future Cubs or in their system.
Lets get real here

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It is not that the traded players or even these players. It is the return. Not sure how you are not getting this. 2 BP arms are not what the Cubs needed. The problem is you can't untrade these players and trade them later for a very good pitcher. So when 60% of the rotation walks (including your ace) and Lester is on his last legs, that supposed 5 year window will actually look like it closed.

The Cubs should be laser focused on fixing the greatest needs of the team, not BP.

 

[czman]

Soler holds little value right now. At best he is the short stick in a platoon on a non contender.

The only reason he holds any value is based off of the hype that followed him a few years back. What he has been is injury prone and undisciplined as a player. To the point that he can't even run proper OF routes and lost his job in RF after being named the future there.

Teams don't want that. I doubt even Beane would want him as return to be honest

If the Cubs are going to trade him it will be next season. He may get hot for a month at the end of the season and change his market value.

 

[chibears55]

@TheCCO: Josh Reddick Rumors Persist, #Cubs Linked to Charlie Blackmon bit.ly/2a77wnH #MLB #Rockies #Athletics

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[chibears55]

It is not that the traded players or even these players. It is the return. Not sure how you are not getting this. 2 BP arms are not what the Cubs needed. The problem is you can't untrade these players and trade them later for a very good pitcher. So when 60% of the rotation walks (including your ace) and Lester is on his last legs, that supposed 5 year window will actually look like it closed.

The Cubs should be laser focused on fixing the greatest needs of the team, not BP.

First of all their focus today is winning the world series this year, not looking ahead 2 to 5 yrs from now..
everyone and their mama seen that the bullpen needed help, especially from the left side...
Yes bullpen arms was a need for a successful run this year

Next.. It not like their in desperate need to address the entire rotation now.
Hammel the only guy who needs to be replaced for next year..

Hammel spot 2017
Arrieta spot 2018
Lackey spot 2018
Lester spot 2021
Hendricks spot 2021

Arrieta could still be resigned or hell, he can be traded for young arms...
They basically have 2 years to develop kids in their system, 2 off-season of FA and trades, a draft, IFA, and another trade deadline to address 2 to 3 SP spots in rotation..

Plus this year deadline hasn't passed yet

So, I don't get why the worriness and all because they traded a couple kids for a couple players that strengthened a position of need to help them try and win a championship this year.






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[CSF77]

Soler is killing it in Iowa. 1 for 7 with 5 SO's. Yep roll out the rug and kick Contreras to the bench. Catcher scrub.....

 

[CSF77]

Cubs have a big market and a pending TV deal. Add to it they can retain all next year. They looked into dealing for long term and Theo said they wanted current roster players not maybe's. So Baez and Contreras most likely. Didn't go no where.

At the end of the day I worry little about a few years from now. All we are talking is continuing but what matters is starting something.

Cubs winning the series lures F/A's.

 

[beckdawg]

Cubs have a big market and a pending TV deal. Add to it they can retain all next year. They looked into dealing for long term and Theo said they wanted current roster players not maybe's. So Baez and Contreras most likely. Didn't go no where.

At the end of the day I worry little about a few years from now. All we are talking is continuing but what matters is starting something.

Cubs winning the series lures F/A's.

They can retain all they have now... well maybe if you count Arrieta. Problem is they can't really add until post 2019. Then again, I'm not sure how much you need to add to a team that's on pace for 98ish wins.

 

[CSF77]

They can retain all they have now... well maybe if you count Arrieta. Problem is they can't really add until post 2019. Then again, I'm not sure how much you need to add to a team that's on pace for 98ish wins.

Team has some holes going on right now.

You deal to add Reddick it nets that 2nd LH power bat in the line up that has been lacking sense Schwarber got injured.

OPS vs RHP:
1: Fowler: .871
2: Bryant: .871
3. Rizzo: 1.042
4: Zobrist: .811
5. Contreras: .847
6. Heyward: .623
7. Russell: .768
8: Montero: .698

It is pretty bad right now.

Riddick: .954

That in mind:

Fowler: .871
Zobrist: .811
Rizzo: 1.042
Bryant: .871
Reddick: .954
Contreras: .847
Russell: .768

These are the guys that are hitting RHP the strongest.

This leaves Heyward: .623. Montero: .698 Really sad where Heyward is hitting worse than Montero.... or thay can go with Szczur at a .755 off the bench or LaStella .860 and push Riddick to RF and Zobrist to 2B and catch with Contreras.

The issue I believe is Maddon is trying to keep the best D in play and is willing to sac. O. The problem is that play book is Killing the O.

Theo is not going to have a choice pretty soon. VS LHP the Cubs are fine and pretty much can beat most lefties out there. RHSP no. We are seeing the results of late.

 

[beckdawg]

I'm not really a fan of giving up anything of note for Reddick considering they just blew a ton on Chapman. For example, if the cost for him is like Candelario(probably more actually), you're potentially losing the vast majority of your remaining prospects on rentals.

 

[Payton!34]

This is the best post I've ever seen on this page!

You hit about ten fucking nails right on the head!

This team is one Quality number 2 pitcher away from being a World Series championship team. That is the only hole I really see in this team.

Obviously if schwarber is on this team they are about three wins better but I think the platoon left field is producing quite well!

We haven't won since 1908 and if this isn't the time to get rid of young talent, when is it the right time?

 

[beckdawg]

I think rather than Reddick I'd prefer if they make a move on an OF who can hit RHP I would go after Charlie Blackmon. Rockies have Cargo, Parra, Dahl(just called up). Blackmon is a 2017 FA too and primarily has played CF. And unlike Reddick he also still hits LHP decently(.271/.336/.385) while being quite good against RHP(.310/.367/.490). Reddick is at .158/.238/.158 vs LHP and .365/.435/.542 vs RHP.

With Soler returning in short order and Almora likely with the team next year I'm curious if a Szczur for Blackmon deal would interest the Rockies. If they presumably keep Cargo(lefty), Parra(lefty), Dahl(lefty).... you can sort see where I'm going here. Szczur would give them a back up to platoon with Parra who has more control and who's right handed. Coors probably would suit him better as well. A big outfield for him to hit in with his speed. In terms of the cubs, I believe Szczur is out of options anyways so you'd likely be losing him soon anyways. Soler hits LHP decently(.250/.347/.365 on his career).

 

[CSF77]

Blackmon is fine. He replaces Fowler next year with Schwarber in LF. I can see the logic going that direction. He would cost more than Szczur but I also see where that is going too.

 

[CSF77]

This is the best post I've ever seen on this page!

You hit about ten fucking nails right on the head!

This team is one Quality number 2 pitcher away from being a World Series championship team. That is the only hole I really see in this team.

Obviously if schwarber is on this team they are about three wins better but I think the platoon left field is producing quite well!

We haven't won since 1908 and if this isn't the time to get rid of young talent, when is it the right time?

The problem has been against RHP. We have seen this team win by piling in runs for the most part but were below .500 in close games. The pen needed to be addressed for that reason. They added 3 for the pen it was needed.

Now they have to focus on run generation. They are weaker vs RHP

 

[beckdawg]

Blackmon is fine. He replaces Fowler next year with Schwarber in LF. I can see the logic going that direction. He would cost more than Szczur but I also see where that is going too.

Well if they did make that move he *might* replace Fowler. He's a 2017 FA. However, I think you can make a good case for bringing him back at a cheaper rate than Fowler would cost and throwing him and Almora into a ST battle.

 

[CSF77]

Blackmon is a FA in 2019

 

[beckdawg]

Blackmon is a FA in 2019

Huh.... then who the **** did I look up earlier?..... oh I see. Fangraphs has his arbitration contract(1 year $3.5 mil) as his contract and I didn't realize he had 2 more years of arbitration left. In that case, yeah you're right it def would take more than Szczur.

 

[DJMoore_is_fat]

What does it take to acquire Blackmon? Can he hit a sacrifice fly or hit with RISP?

 

[Shawon0Meter]

I was looking at Reddick's twitter timeline and he's a huge WWE fan. The Cubs need the hustle, loyalty, and respect that he brings.