Trade deadline/rumors

[TC in Mississippi]

Mets are looking for a arm and I'm betting they will go after Hill. Hill said he would be open to extending to a team that deals for him.

I like Smyly the most long term but I feel he gives little impact for this year. If you are looking at a impact arm now Hill should be the top starter in the market.

Should be in the other thread but he is gaining trade interest and could be a center piece player for a starter.:

Cubs outfield prospect Eloy Jimenez is getting trade attention but the Cubs aren’t eager to part with the talented 19-year-old, CSN Chicago’s David Kaplan tweets. Jimenez signed with the Cubs during their spending spree in the 2013-14 international signing market, inking a deal with a hefty $2.8MM bonus that reflected his status as the most well-regarded prospect of that 2013-14 class. Jimenez is enjoying a breakout year at A-level ball, hitting .332/.372/.527 with 10 homers over 336 plate appearances. He also was one of the stars of today’s MLB Futures Game, going 2-for-3 with a homer and a spectacular catch in the outfield. Despite Jimenez’s promise, the Cubs’ minor league depth meant that he ranked only ninth (Baseball America) and 10th (MLB.com) in preseason rankings of the top 10 prospects in Chicago’s system. The Cubs have such depth that they could explore moving Jimenez or other top prospects in midseason trades and still have one of the game’s best farm systems.

I've read this about the Mets looking for an arm and I'll tell ya that makes zero sense to me. The teams offense is too unreliable to make a real run without their top pitching. After losing Harvey they'd probably still be ok except that Syndergaard and Matz both have elbow troubles. It doesn't look to be their year to me and Miami appears to me to be a better team. Add Hill to that squad and they might compete for the Division or at least be something close to a WC lock. All that said, if I were a betting man, my money is on Boston for re-acquiring Hill.

 

[DanTown]

Oakland feels like the perfect team for the Cubs to trade with

- They have no real hitting in the organization at all. They have two top 100ish guys down in AAA and they're both hitting about .220.
- They are in "win later" mode
- They have two things the Cubs need: a OF who hits left-handed who can play either corner spot but would excel in Left (Reddick) and a wipeout lefty reliever (Dolittle)

If you got Reddick + Dolittle for say Soler + Vogelbach + Candelario + Grimm then you have your team

vs RHP
Fowler - CF / Reddick - LF / Bryant - 3B / Rizzo - 1B / Zobrist - 2B / Heyward - RF / Russell - SS / Montero - C
Bench: Baez, LaStella, Contreras, Ross, Szczur

vs LHP
Fowler - CF / Bryant - LF / Rizzo - 1B / Zobrist - 2B / Contreras - C / Heyward - RF / Baez - 3B / Russell - SS
Bench: Reddick, Montero, Ross, LaStella, Szczur

Arrieta - Lester - Lackey - Hammel - Hendricks
Edwards, Nathan, Cahill, Wood (LH), Doolittle (LH), Strop, Rondon

 

[CSF77]

Oakland feels like the perfect team for the Cubs to trade with

- They have no real hitting in the organization at all. They have two top 100ish guys down in AAA and they're both hitting about .220.
- They are in "win later" mode
- They have two things the Cubs need: a OF who hits left-handed who can play either corner spot but would excel in Left (Reddick) and a wipeout lefty reliever (Dolittle)

If you got Reddick + Dolittle for say Soler + Vogelbach + Candelario + Grimm then you have your team

vs RHP
Fowler - CF / Reddick - LF / Bryant - 3B / Rizzo - 1B / Zobrist - 2B / Heyward - RF / Russell - SS / Montero - C
Bench: Baez, LaStella, Contreras, Ross, Szczur

vs LHP
Fowler - CF / Bryant - LF / Rizzo - 1B / Zobrist - 2B / Contreras - C / Heyward - RF / Baez - 3B / Russell - SS
Bench: Reddick, Montero, Ross, LaStella, Szczur

Arrieta - Lester - Lackey - Hammel - Hendricks
Edwards, Nathan, Cahill, Wood (LH), Doolittle (LH), Strop, Rondon

I doubt they are going to cut Contreras's playing time that much.

 

[CSF77]

How much would Chris Archer cost? He is having a crap year but his stuff is good enough to justify a pay out regardless.

Think Eloy, Vogelbach and Torres. Archer is 27 and I believe has 2 years left of control. Much better extension player than Jake based on age alone.

 

[Parade_Rain]

How much would Chris Archer cost? He is having a crap year but his stuff is good enough to justify a pay out regardless.

Think Eloy, Vogelbach and Torres. Archer is 27 and I believe has 2 years left of control. Much better extension player than Jake based on age alone.

I would not trade both Eloy and Gleyber.

 

[CSF77]

I would not trade both Eloy and Gleyber.

For a league ace that is what it costs. Just the fact that he is struggling on a shit team doesn't change his value long term.

 

[Parade_Rain]

For a league ace that is what it costs. Just the fact that he is struggling on a shit team doesn't change his value long term.

I am not arguing what the cost is. I'm letting you know that they aren't going to trade Torres and Jimenez in the same transaction. They have other prospects they can trade, too.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I would not trade both Eloy and Gleyber.

No I wouldn't either if for no other reason than the fact that might both come up within months of each other and you'd be leaving a "timeline hole" for a lack of a better turn. A package topped by Jiminez or Torres with Ian Happ might also get that done.

 

[brett05]

I'm not sure Chris is an Ace and unless there is something wrong with Chris, his numbers look more #4 this year than Ace. And that's irregardless to the team he plays for.

 

[brett05]

Archer is under control until 2021. Hmmm. Maybe he would bring in a pretty big haul even with his down year.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I'm not sure Chris is an Ace and unless there is something wrong with Chris, his numbers look more #4 this year than Ace. And that's irregardless to the team he plays for.

Absolutely having a tough year but he's been much better after his first 5-6 starts. Between 2013-2015 he was remarkably consistent and people thought he would improve nor regress. I still think he has #1 potential but he has to refine that control. I don't think they move him though. I think they have he and Snell penciled into that rotation for years. Odorizzi is intriguing but I don't think he's anything beyond an MOR type.

 

[brett05]

Absolutely having a tough year but he's been much better after his first 5-6 starts. Between 2013-2015 he was remarkably consistent and people thought he would improve nor regress. I still think he has #1 potential but he has to refine that control. I don't think they move him though. I think they have he and Snell penciled into that rotation for years. Odorizzi is intriguing but I don't think he's anything beyond an MOR type.

Yeah, I mean with the pay he is going to get, Archer may never be an ace but he'd at worst be a cheap #4 for the length of control (2021). That probably drives his price higher than it might be otherwise.

 

[brett05]

As for Jake Odorizzi I kinda like who the Cubs have now over him.

 

[CSF77]

Archer has the upside part going on. His SO's are dominating.

 

[SilenceS]

Has anyone watched Archer this year? He has little control. He is also allowing an abundance of home runs. Dynamic arm, but he has to control his walks to be successful. Teams have been teeing off on him. He has allowed 3 or more ER in 8 of his last 10 and 11 of his 19 appearances.

 

[beckdawg]

Has anyone watched Archer this year? He has little control. He is also allowing an abundance of home runs. Dynamic arm, but he has to control his walks to be successful. Teams have been teeing off on him. He has allowed 3 or more ER in 8 of his last 10 and 11 of his 19 appearances.

For me with Archer the walk rate scares me more than a lot of runs. You're simply not going to get a good young starter who doesn't have flaws unless you pay the world. But, if the underlying stuff is there I think some starter can be interesting which is why Gausman and Smyly interest me. Both give up far too many homers now but I've heard some suggest that what Gausman really needs is a cutter and the O's famously wont let their starters throw a cutter. The idea with him basically being that his fastball is 95 and his breaking pitches are lower 80's and that he needs something in the high 80's and low 90's to change the speeds a bit. I imagine Smyly might have similar changes he could make.

Either way though I can't imagine Tampa moving Archer. You'd have to ask for TOR level prospects and he's not pitching that well.

 

[Parade_Rain]

Has anyone watched Archer this year? He has little control. He is also allowing an abundance of home runs. Dynamic arm, but he has to control his walks to be successful. Teams have been teeing off on him. He has allowed 3 or more ER in 8 of his last 10 and 11 of his 19 appearances.

So right now, he would fit right in with the Cubs starting pitching.

 

[CSF77]

Pretty much on his numbers.

My thought was his SO rate is strong enough to potentially place him into the TOR realm.

2nd if he was having a strong year with the given control you would be talking Schwarber plus..... Not two guys in A ball and a fringe AAA guy.

3rd: I get not wanting Eloy due to Soler sucking and Heyward's opt out. But with long term control on Baez and Russell it makes Torres prime trade bait.

I suggested Eloy due to him being a flavor of the month right now and him getting attention in the futures game. Most teams I'm expecting to speak his name first and if I'm even going there I want a young ace. Archer is intriguing due to his upside. The stuff is just plain nasty. If Bosio can get him to get it around the plate more. His best pitch is his wipe out slider. I would limit that pitch to a ahead pitch and make him use a fastball/cutter/change combo to get ahead in the count. That pitch should be used to snuff them out.

 

[chibears55]

Oakland feels like the perfect team for the Cubs to trade with

- They have no real hitting in the organization at all. They have two top 100ish guys down in AAA and they're both hitting about .220.
- They are in "win later" mode
- They have two things the Cubs need: a OF who hits left-handed who can play either corner spot but would excel in Left (Reddick) and a wipeout lefty reliever (Dolittle)

If you got Reddick + Dolittle for say Soler + Vogelbach + Candelario + Grimm then you have your team

vs RHP
Fowler - CF / Reddick - LF / Bryant - 3B / Rizzo - 1B / Zobrist - 2B / Heyward - RF / Russell - SS / Montero - C
Bench: Baez, LaStella, Contreras, Ross, Szczur

vs LHP
Fowler - CF / Bryant - LF / Rizzo - 1B / Zobrist - 2B / Contreras - C / Heyward - RF / Baez - 3B / Russell - SS
Bench: Reddick, Montero, Ross, LaStella, Szczur

Arrieta - Lester - Lackey - Hammel - Hendricks
Edwards, Nathan, Cahill, Wood (LH), Doolittle (LH), Strop, Rondon

Doolittle is damaged goods

He missed last year with I believe his elbow and is or was out this year with same injury..
Too risky

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[chibears55]

I am not arguing what the cost is. I'm letting you know that they aren't going to trade Torres and Jimenez in the same transaction. They have other prospects they can trade, too.

Eloy Jiminez, right now is their future RFer..
2018 or 19 the latest.

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