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Darnold is the best, and most affordable option. Hes 23 years old, and came from a bad team with a bad coach. He's better than any QB in the draft that we would be looking at. He definitely better than Trubisky or Foles. Id rather have Darnold than Wentz.
 

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I’ve been calling this for weeks.

Pace trades a 2nd rd pick for Darnold and grabs an Oline with the 20th pick.


What about Darnold other than his prior draft position makes you think he's worth a second? He's played worse than Mitch. Other than being a high draft pick and people hoping the Jets just ruined him what about his play has shown he's even remotely capable of being the answer?
 

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What about Darnold other than his prior draft position makes you think he's worth a second? He's played worse than Mitch. Other than being a high draft pick and people hoping the Jets just ruined him what about his play has shown he's even remotely capable of being the answer?

Im not saying he’s worth anything. I’m saying Pace will offer a 2nd rd pick for him.
 

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Wouldn't give them anything more than a 6/7th round pick for him for a guy that I'm pretty sure will hit free agency. Maybe throw in something conditional if he signs an extension. You have to really have faith beforehand that Darnold was ass because of Gase because you'd be immediately moving into contract talks.

Pick a guy out of a hat at #20, or in the 2nd round and I'd rather start with a clean slate and the comfort of mind knowing we've got him under cheap control. In all likelihood someone we pick there has about the same chances of being good as Nagy has of washing the funk of Adam Gase & the Jets off of Darnold.
 

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I'm just thinking it helps you expand your search because you could be developing a Lamar Jackson while he also can contribute in other ways with that roster spot.

I know they need game reps, etc...that this isn't the accepted NFL philosophy, but I think we need to jump out of the box if we want to create an advantage in a competive league. Part of the Bears problem is we are above everything and do it "the right way."

But winning is the only right way. Try something new. Maybe it blows up and you get laughed at. Who cares they are already laughing.

I agree with the last paragraph 100%.

Personally, I think the "out of the box" solution is, in some ways, to go with a more traditional "Bears" team that makes a deep playoff run/wins a division title. That's a very strong running game with a franchise RB, dominating defense, and an "X" factor (healthy McMahon in `85, Hester in `06, that 2010 team - Forte, Nagy in `18...).

QB is nice to have, but I'd take a solid leader/game manager over a fancy arm. Give me a long tenure of a Kyle Orton or Josh McCown over a flashy but unreliable Rex Grossman or Jay Cutler.
 

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If I was another team I would give Trubisky a chance because the Bears organization.

This is the same. You give Darnold antoher chance because Gase is crazy and the Jets. The Jets guys. I throw it all out. I'll judge Darnold after he bounces.
fair enough
 

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fair enough

The other similarity Darnold and Trubs share is that the coach they got the best shot with didn't actually select them as a system fit, they just worked with it.

Trubs doesn't strike me as a great fit for Nagy so he will get and deserves another shot.
I could be wrong but I don't think Gase drafted Darnold either. IMO, Gase is crazy and nobody knows what he is doing including him. Manning earned him his chance and he hasn't backed it up anywhere else, which isn't strange because I always felt Manning was an onfield coordinator and whatever Gase's system needs Manning could fill in the gap by changing plays or even pretending to, but nobody else has succeeded.
 

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Darnold is a lot better than Mitch.
He’s had no weapons his entire time with the Jets. Mitch for the most part has had a stacked team.
ok....he's "a lot" better
 

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I agree with the last paragraph 100%.

Personally, I think the "out of the box" solution is, in some ways, to go with a more traditional "Bears" team that makes a deep playoff run/wins a division title. That's a very strong running game with a franchise RB, dominating defense, and an "X" factor (healthy McMahon in `85, Hester in `06, that 2010 team - Forte, Nagy in `18...).

QB is nice to have, but I'd take a solid leader/game manager over a fancy arm. Give me a long tenure of a Kyle Orton or Josh McCown over a flashy but unreliable Rex Grossman or Jay Cutler.
I can get with that! Thats the brand of football I like and I think its the way to endure the atrition game. Your defense needs to get off the field and your offense needs to hold the ball.

You do that systematically over the long haul and its less plays on your bodies. Less games with huge numbers of plays that break you down for a weak. You play an easy 50 snap game you can jump up in two days. You play 100 snaps and you feel it all weak.

You start playing like you said and over time you get more and better years out of your guys and also keep morale high. Its hard to coach up overwhelmed hurt players. It just pays dividends and thats why 3 years of John Fox I think did eventually result in a boost the first year we ran a real system.
 

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If the choices end up being fitzpatrick garropolo or darnold. I will take Darnold. If he sucks everyone is fired if he's good then we might have a franchise guy for years to come.
 

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He does Patrick Mahomes is great and Trubisky is a top five QB in Bears history.

Isn't that pitiful? And ya gotta love the goofs in here screaming that Trubisky is the worst Bears QB, EVER.....Good Lord, I can think of 20 Bear QB's I've seen that were far worse than Mitch. All he's been is just another in a long, long line of QB's ranging from mediocre to bad to inept.
 

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Here's an interesting article
If Gregg Williams doesn’t call a cover 0 blitz on the final play of the game against the Raiders in Week Thirteen, the New York Jets would have won three games out of their last four.

If the Jets had beaten the Raiders, these three wins would have come against a play-off hopeful (the Raiders), the second-best team in the NFC West (the Rams) and, most recently, the 10 win Cleveland Browns.


While a change at defensive coordinator and an improvement in the quality of play-calling from Adam Gase may be responsible for the Jets recent upturn in form, the role of the quarterback, Sam Darnold, cannot be overlooked.

On paper, it’s an incredibly strange situation. Sam Darnold, the third overall pick in the 2017 draft and once future of the franchise, is now playing on borrowed time. Whether or not the Jets actually obtain Trevor Lawrence in April, something that is looking more and more unlikely with each passing Sunday does not matter. The fact is, the player who was once the future face of the franchise, somebody who was going to lead the Jets into a new era, is probably going to be on a new team come August.

As strange as it may be, this situation did not occur overnight. Since his rookie season, the New York Jets organisation has slowly, but surely, tried to dismantle Sam Darnold piece by piece. At this point, some analysts and football fans are wondering if Darnold will ever be considered a starting quarterback again.


So, it’s clear that Darnold has been through a lot with the Jets. Particularly this season under Gase. However, Darnold has shown flashes during his time with the Jets and was selected third overall for a reason. Thus, is Sam Darnold broken? And could he be a franchise quarterback with a different team in a different city?


Weapons
In the current day NFL, there is a problem of mythologising quarterbacks. Players such as Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson are often credited with an unrealistic ability to control everything around them. That no matter what situation they are in, they will overcome any obstacles they face.

While this may hold some credence whenever one of Rodgers, Mahomes or Wilson does something extraordinary, at the end of the day the position of quarterback is just like any other. It is wholly dependent on the other ten players on the field with them. No talented quarterback has ever achieved anything without a talented team around them.


So, although it may seem cliched and tired at this point, it truly is important to measure the quality of receivers, running backs, tight ends and offensive line when assessing a quarterback.

Against the Vegas Raiders, Darnold, for possibly the first time this season, had some semblance of a receiver corps.


Rookie wideout Denzel Mims, veterans Breshad Perriman and Jamison Crowder, as well as Braxton Berrios, have all been available for Darnold since Week Thirteen. Since then, Darnold has boasted the best completion percentage of the season (70.97 against the Rams), 700 yards throwing and a 5:1 TD: INT ratio. Sidenote: Darnold hasn’t turned the ball over in the last three games.

While this group of pass-catchers is hardly the greatest show on turf, they are legitimate starting NFL calibre wide receivers.

Fundamentals
Statistically, Darnold hasn’t been setting the world on fire. In each of the Jets last three wins, Darnold has thrown for less than 250 yards. Moreover, Darnold ranks either last or close to last in each of the base stats by which we measure quarterbacks.

Darnold ranks dead last out of quarterbacks with a minimum number of 300 attempts in yards per attempt (5.9), second last in passing yards (1,912) and touchdowns (8) and third from last in completion percentage (58.8).

On paper, Darnold is one of the worst quarterbacks in the league. However, you have to take into consideration the circumstances in which Darnold found himself this year. The former USC Trojan was playing on arguably the worst roster in the NFL, under the worst head coach in the NFL.

The biggest reason why Darnold can go on and fulfil his potential someplace else is that fundamentally, Darnold is still a starting calibre NFL quarterback.

Watching the tape, despite being under pressure most of the time, Darnold has recently shown the hallmarks of a franchise quarterback. He looks calm and reassured at the line of scrimmage and when the ball is snapped, Darnold is working through his progressions and more often than not, finds the right read in a less than stellar offence.

Take this play against the Raiders for example. Vegas calls a cornerback blitz to dial up the pressure on Darnold. After the snap, the Raiders cover the pick/rub route at the left of the screen. You can see Darnold’s head move as he works through his progressions.

Darnold has the poise to come off his first read, which is covered, and hit Mims over the middle while under pressure.



One of the biggest takeaways from watching Darnold is that despite being put through hell with the Jets, he still looks like a pro-ready quarterback.

Contrast Darnold to Carson Wentz who spends the majority of his snaps double-clutching the football, bailing on his progressions and running into the backs of his own offensive linemen.

Athleticism
Without sounding cliched, Sam Darnold is a sneakily good scrambler. Although he can sometimes hold onto the football for a fraction of a second too long, Darnold has surprisingly good instincts when it comes to scramble drills.

The two most impressive examples of Darnold escaping the pocket came in Week Fifteen against the Rams and Week Sixteen against the Browns.

Against the Rams, Darnold had the tough task of facing the best defensive player in football, Aaron Donald. In this clip, Donald brushes aside the Jets right guard with ease before Darnold shows impressive pocket presence and evades the former DPOY.

Even more impressive, Darnold shows real composure by floating the ball over the oncoming defenders’ head for a big gain.























Against the Browns, Darnold shows off his toughness with this huge truck against former Super Bowl MVP Malcolm Smith.


Although it may sound cliched, these type of plays really do have an impact on your teammates and demonstrate your willingness to win.























It’s nice to know that Darnold still has a semblance of his fundamentals as well as an extra layer on top of that of athleticism.

Ahead of their upcoming Week Seventeen match up against Darnold and the Jets, Patriots head coach Bill Belichick spoke on Sam Darnold.

‘I don’t think there’s any shortage of talent there or playmaking ability… He’s an athletic guy that has great size, big arm, hard to tackle in the pocket, good prospect’.


Despite being imbued in a whirlwind of turmoil this past season, Darnold has shown that he can succeed in the NFL. Now, on the eve of a meeting with the Patriots, Darnold has a chance to show he has moved on from ‘seeing ghosts.’ Even ahead of that, luckily for Darnold, there are two offensive masterminds in Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan on the West Coast who are vying for a fresh face under centre.

If Darnold goes on to succeed in a better situation on another team, then that would not surprise anyone at all.
 

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The guys on the score were talking like the Bears have legit interest in Sam darnold.

Double fuck
 

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I can get with that! Thats the brand of football I like and I think its the way to endure the atrition game. Your defense needs to get off the field and your offense needs to hold the ball.

You do that systematically over the long haul and its less plays on your bodies. Less games with huge numbers of plays that break you down for a weak. You play an easy 50 snap game you can jump up in two days. You play 100 snaps and you feel it all weak.

You start playing like you said and over time you get more and better years out of your guys and also keep morale high. Its hard to coach up overwhelmed hurt players. It just pays dividends and thats why 3 years of John Fox I think did eventually result in a boost the first year we ran a real system.

I always felt that Trubisky's 2019 struggles came from three areas:
1. They traded Jordan Howard when they should have had him and Montgomery as a 1-2 punch.
2. Burton got hurt after a solid 2018.
3. The O-Line fell apart.

Maybe Trubisky isn't a Watson or Mahomes, but that does NOT mean he is NOT a good quarterback. With a strong running game, solid weapons around him, and a dominating defense, the Bears would do just fine. The big weakness in 2018 was not having a good kicker. Robbie Gould should never have been let go, and after this year, they NEED to lock Santos up long-term.
 

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Il never understand the Howard trade. He was why play action worked.
 

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I rather have had paid a kings ransom for Wentz
 

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Serious question as I never watch the Jets and very little college football

What are/were Darnold’s strengths and weaknesses?
  • Is he athletic?
  • Is he accurate?
  • Is he seeing ghosts out there?
  • Does he have a big arm?
  • Is he athletic? HELL NO.
  • Is he accurate? NO, Mitchell is better with this.
  • Is he seeing ghosts out there? Yeah, he said it himself.
  • Does he have a big arm? No, YPC is low AF. Gase didnt let him bomb down field much.
Don't want him, he looks like the asshole down the street somewhere hoppin' out of a pickup truck with a trump sticker on it.
 

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Can't wait for Darnold to hoist the Lombardi and hand it to Nagy. That will be such a glorious moment.
 

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