Updates to the Kane situation

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This thread is all sorts of rapey. I feel dirty simply by communicating through the interwebtubes with some of you people.

It's kind of comical how disparate the reporting on this is though. Did he meet her in Evans, or a downtown club? Does he live in Hamburg or Lake View (Lake View makes more sense btw, I used to drive past those mcmansions regularly)? Why is the Hamburg PD the one investigating (although, the jurisdictional handling is fucking weird in NY so...)? These things have nothing to do with his guilt or innocence, but apparently truthful (properly researched)/respectable journalism really has died in the US.

Believe the house is in Hamburg, and apparently that was the site of the alleged incident, hence the reason why Hamburg PD is investigating. Sounds like he picked this girl up at a bar in Ellis(I think?) and then took her back to the house where something happened.

Some people mentioned on Twitter that the wording from the PD at the press conference said that the investigation involved Patrick Kane's house, not necessarily Patrick Kane. So if you're holding out a glimmer of hope that Kane didn't actually perpetrate a crime (and instead just aided and enabled one of his probably-just-as-douchy bros), there ya go.
 

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Believe the house is in Hamburg, and apparently that was the site of the alleged incident, hence the reason why Hamburg PD is investigating. Sounds like he picked this girl up at a bar in Ellis(I think?) and then took her back to the house where something happened.

Some people mentioned on Twitter that the wording from the PD at the press conference said that the investigation involved Patrick Kane's house, not necessarily Patrick Kane. So if you're holding out a glimmer of hope that Kane didn't actually perpetrate a crime (and instead just aided and enabled one of his probably-just-as-douchy bros), there ya go.

Simply as a Hawks fan, I would fucking love that to be the case. Kane is clearly a ****** in his personal life, but let's just hope he's not that much of a ******.
 

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There's a rumor going around that it's statutory rape which brings up the question of where they hooked up.
 

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pdate 01:24:44 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time). It looks like there won't be any more news tonight. This article has a good over view of everything that's known so far, so I've removed everything else:

The Buffalo News - Kane under police spotlight: Hockey superstar is subject of rape allegation:
Less than two months after Patrick Kane hoisted the Stanley Cup over his head to celebrate a triumphant team championship, the National Hockey League superstar is now the subject of a rape investigation by the Hamburg Police Department.

No charges have been filed, and police are under a strict gag order from superiors not to discuss the investigation. But sources close to the case disclosed the following information Thursday to The Buffalo News:

• A young local woman has alleged that Kane, 26, took her to his Hamburg waterfront home and raped her after meeting her in a downtown Buffalo nightclub Saturday night or early Sunday.

• Police searched the Chicago Blackhawks star’s waterfront home on Sunday, looking for evidence.

• The alleged victim went to a local hospital, where she was examined for physical signs that she had been raped.

• The prosecutor assigned to the case is Roseanne Johnson, who specializes in sexual assault cases and heads the Special Victims Unit in the Erie County District Attorney’s Office.

• Kane is being represented in connection with the probe by a top Buffalo defense attorney, Paul J. Cambria Jr., who also represented Kane in 2009 after he and his cousin were accused of roughing up a Buffalo cab driver.

Contacted by a reporter on Thursday, Cambria declined to comment on the investigation. He would not confirm that he currently represents Kane or that he is even aware of the woman’s allegations.

“I have nothing to say, just as I told you the other night,” Cambria said.

The News learned from law enforcement officials that at least one other local police agency has been asked to assist with the investigation, and the other police agency was told the investigation involves an allegation made by a woman against Kane.

Both Hamburg Town Police Chief Gregory G. Wickett, who did not return a call seeking comment on Thursday, and District Attorney Frank A. Sedita III have refused to confirm or deny the existence of the investigation.

It would be wrong for anyone to rush to judgment, cautioned Terrence M. Connors, a Buffalo attorney who has represented rape suspects and high-profile clients and who has been following the Kane case.

“Remember that this is merely an allegation at this point. It needs to be examined and investigated to see if there is evidence to support a criminal charge,” Connors said. “His celebrity adds another layer to this investigation.”

Potentially, it could take weeks or even months before authorities decide whether to charge Kane, Connors said.

“They’ll have to examine the rape kit and question any witnesses who may have encountered him that night,” the defense attorney said.

(Article continues at the link.)

If you would like to see the timeline of how things were revealed today, see this comment for the original post content.

FAQ What is a rape kit?

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SportsMockery (Chicago sports gossip blog):RUMOR: Patrick Kane Rape Allegations Involve Drugs And A Video Tape 7pm, August 6
According to a source close to the situation, the Patrick Kane rape case has some very interesting details attached to it. A Buffalo cop discussed the situation with a Hamberg cop and that information has since circulated around the area to some of the local residents. This is only a rumor, but the truth is yet to come out so there’s no telling if it’s true or not.

Here’s the story being told:

Patrick Kane met a girl at Evans Beach in Angola at a place called Mickey Rats. They went back to his house on Saturday night. On Sunday morning, the girl’s parents made her go get a rape kit done and blood drawn. She claims a drug/roofy was slipped into her drink.

The cops went to Kane’s residence on Sunday night and found pills along with a video during the search. The alleged victim’s dad is a lawyer. Kane has cancelled his appearance at Imperial Pizza for this weekend and a few other bars downtown.

Mickey Rats is known for underage drinkers, girl’s age is a problem for Kane and the bar. Still not clear how old she is though.

This is a story we heard from a source close to the situation. Yes, the rumors are a bit exhausting at this point, but this is all we have to go off of until the official investigation is announced.

THIS IS ONLY A RUMOR.


https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/3g0ewu/patrick_kane_police_investigation_megathread/


However, he was not seen at Mickey Rats but was seen at Sky Bar instead.
 

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I misread your post. However, it is still a bit cold to assume that someone on this site is a rapist without any evidence.
It may be cold, but sometimes the truth hurts. Hasn't rask been saying he is going to jail for a similar offense?
 

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This may be terrible, but how is it Kanes fault if she's underage? The bar let her in. It is beyond fair for him to presume she is 21. This should be solely the Bars responsibility, if that is the case (or in any similar case) and her fault for lying.
 

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This may be terrible, but how is it Kanes fault if she's underage? The bar let her in. It is beyond fair for him to presume she is 21. This should be solely the Bars responsibility, if that is the case (or in any similar case) and her fault for lying.

If that were the case, it doesn't matter that the bar let her in. He still did the act with a minor. Obviously that would be a shitty situation since it would be presumed she's 21 or over, but depending on her age it would still fall under "statutory rape".


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If that were the case, it doesn't matter that the bar let her in. He still did the act with a minor. Obviously that would be a shitty situation since it would be presumed she's 21 or over, but depending on her age it would still fall under "statutory rape".


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I know but it's bull. The Id was checked at the door. If he asked for an id shed probably show the same fake. In that scenario, a person would have taken every reasonable precaution.
 

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I know but it's bull. The Id was checked at the door. If he asked for an id shed probably show the same fake. In that scenario, a person would have taken every reasonable precaution.

Yeah it would be shitty, but he still would of slept with a minor.




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Yeah it would be shitty, but he still would of slept with a minor.




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I doubt it's strict liability, like a speeding ticket. A reasonable mistake of fact as stated above would likely eliminate the mens rea of the crime itself (ie he intended to sleep with her, but not if she was a minor)
 

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I doubt it's strict liability, like a speeding ticket. A reasonable mistake of fact as stated above would likely eliminate the mens rea of the crime itself (ie he intended to sleep with her, but not if she was a minor)

There's a case right now going on in Michigan of a 19 year old who met a girl on tinder who claimed she was 18, he slept with her, and then finds out she is 14. He got 25 yrs on sex offender list, though the court is reviewing his sentencing.


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There's a case right now going on in Michigan of a 19 year old who met a girl on tinder who claimed she was 18, he slept with her, and then finds out she is 14. He got 25 yrs on sex offender list, though the court is reviewing his sentencing.


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Not at all similar. Tinder doesn't hire people for the specific purpose of ensuring its entrants are of age by an independent review of their licenses at the door. It also doesn't sound like the person took any action to verify her age himself.
 

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This may be terrible, but how is it Kanes fault if she's underage? The bar let her in. It is beyond fair for him to presume she is 21. This should be solely the Bars responsibility, if that is the case (or in any similar case) and her fault for lying.

Always verify ID before you rape someone, especially if you are drunk as ****. I can't believe you guys don't know this.
 

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Not a shot at you, bama ... **** SportsMockery and everything about it. That's a shitty rumor-mongering site and nothing more.

Melt I read an article from some Illinois paper that mockery had that mentioned it might be statutory.
 

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There's a case right now going on in Michigan of a 19 year old who met a girl on tinder who claimed she was 18, he slept with her, and then finds out she is 14. He got 25 yrs on sex offender list, though the court is reviewing his sentencing.

Saw an interview with his parents a few days ago, that shit is fucked up.

Obviously no one here condones pedophilia (that I'm aware of...), but if an individual lies about their age, maybe even has a fake ID, then what can you do? Chop their leg off to count the rings? At some point the deception of the victim has to be taken into account, otherwise we're all going to end up with "born on" dates tattooed on our foreheads (I have no problem with that btw). It really is an issue for which there doesn't seem to be a reasonable solution that protects all parties concerned equally.
 

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Ok so worst case he raped and unconscious minor whom he drugged.... cause Patrick Kane cannot close the deal with a 14-17 year old without drugging her.

yep dat makes sense :yep:
 

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Saw an interview with his parents a few days ago, that shit is fucked up.

Obviously no one here condones pedophilia (that I'm aware of...), but if an individual lies about their age, maybe even has a fake ID, then what can you do? Chop their leg off to count the rings? At some point the deception of the victim has to be taken into account, otherwise we're all going to end up with "born on" dates tattooed on our foreheads (I have no problem with that btw). It really is an issue for which there doesn't seem to be a reasonable solution that protects all parties concerned equally.

I have been wondering how that case got started against that kid.... I mean she lied, she admits in court she lied.... her and her mom went to court to try to help the guy out.... so who fucking brought that case to the police then?
 

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And I will just throw it out there, I sometimes cannot tell whether a girl is 14 or 24.... I have a friend from college, she is 26 now and she still looks like she is fucking 12 lol... As a dude you have some responsibility to try not to **** minors, but if girls lie about their age and have sex with you, then the court throws you on a sex offenders list... that is messed up.
 
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