Updates to the Kane situation

[DMelt36]

At this point all I can say is go back and rewatch the conference. You have fundamental flaws in your recollection of it that have distorted your views and make further discussion pointless.

The rape kit was not delivered. An empty bag was. We can keep going back and forth with "yes it was no it wasn't" but that seems pointless so I'll just end it. The rest of your interpretation and conclusions of the conference are as as flawed as your misunderstanding about the evidence bag.

Hopefully over the coming days as more reports come out and it becomes apparent everyone is reporting that a bag was delivered and not the evidence itself, it'll prompt you to go back and see what else you got wrong. Details matter, especially when you have lawyers running around intentionally trying to muddy the waters and confuse people and imply things without saying. You are playing right into their hands and to be quite honest, if you are honestly going to tell the rest of us that, having watched that entire press conference, you believe that the lawyer was not implying that the DNA evidence was tampered with, then we have moved into disingenuous territory.

All right. Was an empty evidence bag. I missed that part. They did confirm with the hospital that this was legit and not some hoax.

Still have no fucking idea where your conspiracy claims are coming from. I see a lawyer with a genuine complaint that someone in the Buffalo PD is not properly handling evidence.

 

[PatrickShart]

If you go on twitter...people are all jumping to "evidence was tampered with" - which is exactly what the lawyer wants out there

 

[DMelt36]

If you go on twitter...people are all jumping to "evidence was tampered with" - which is exactly what the lawyer wants out there

Well that can certainly be the case if a bag that contained evidence ends up on someone's doorstep, right?

Not saying that Kane's camp or someone connected to it deliberately fucked with evidence, but something's not right about this.

 

[ClydeLee]

Indeed... but the concept that Kane deliberately consciously acted in getting other people to tamper with the evidence is not an implication. So that "criminal mastermind" idea a nonsense conclusion not intended or being inferred by people.

I think Kane's attorney is talking to people now trying to say it doesn't make sense for his side to tamper with the evidence because of various reasoning having it hurt their claims more than doing anything to help them.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

If you go on twitter...people are all jumping to "evidence was tampered with" - which is exactly what the lawyer wants out there

Nobody is at all concerned with how something that is supposed to be confidential and secured at all times, I mean gets fucking tracked by a signature, suddenly shows up at the accusers house? Technically speaking, shouldn't it still be in the PDs possession?


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[DMelt36]

Indeed... but the concept that Kane deliberately consciously acted in getting other people to tamper with the evidence is not an implication. So that "criminal mastermind" idea a nonsense conclusion not intended or being inferred by people.

Just seems like people confirming their own bias in that situation.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

I doubt Kane's team had anything to do with this, but it does show the incompetence of the PD.


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[PatrickShart]

I read this all as.....Kane was close to being exonerated. This attorney found out that it actually wasn't Kane's DNA in her. His payday was going down the drain...

Someone on HIS team found this empty bag...and is now trying to claim tampered evidence. Blaming the cops for some sort of failure. This lawyer should have taken a cash settlement weeks before...but thought he was going to win. Now that evidence is proving wrong...he's reaching.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

2 questions:
A. This thing about two other semen samples, did this come from the DA or the police in an official statement?

B. Who is accusing Team Kane of tampering with evidence?

 

[DMelt36]

2 questions:
A. This thing about two other semen samples, did this come from the DA or the police in an official statement?

B. Who is accusing Team Kane of tampering with evidence?

A. No, from this definitely reliable news source

B. So far? A poster on CCS. Although I guess he's drawing his conclusion from "implications" by the attorney for the accuser.

 

[Joker85]

Indeed... but the concept that Kane deliberately consciously acted in getting other people to tamper with the evidence is not an implication. So that "criminal mastermind" idea a nonsense conclusion not intended or being inferred by people.

I'm sorry but that makes no sense. If the evidence was not tampered with, what's the point of all this? Someone threw away an empty bag and her lawyers claim it was delivered to them, a claim with zero proof offered to substantiate it by the way. If the evidence was not tampered with, we are back to square one, that being Kane's DNA not found in her and the semen of two other men having been.

If it was tampered with, then the bag mysteriously having been sent to her mother of all people would be the spark that kicks the whole investigation off. The problem is, if it WAS tampered with, that by definition equals conspiracy. There is no way around that.

Here is the problem, her lawyers ARE claiming the DNA was tampered with by declaring that the results showing the absence of Kane's DNA and the presence of two mens is invalid. Her lawyer made that very claim during the conference in response to a question. "It's not true". Once you claim that the DNA evidence is "not true", you are claiming it has been tampered with since the official results show the opposite of what you are claiming. Once you claim it has been tampered with you are claiming a conspiracy.

So yes, by claiming the DNA results are "not true" as her lawyer did, he is indeed claiming a conspiracy, and using this empty bag jive to attempt to substantiate it. If he accepted the results of the DNA evidence but just had chain of custody issues you might have a small point. But he didn't do that. He specifically rejected the official DNA evidence as untrue.

 

[Shantz My Pants]

Whole thing is a circus.


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[Samurai]

Quotes from PK's lawyer...

Patrick Kane atty says that only someone "unhappy with the results" of DNA testing would tamper with evidence.

"No one is claiming that the integrity of evidence was compromised before it was analyzed by the technician," Patrick Kane attorney says.

Whole thing is a circus.

A circus is often "created" in order to create doubt or confusion...which now seems to be the case here.

 

[DMelt36]

I read this all as.....Kane was close to being exonerated. This attorney found out that it actually wasn't Kane's DNA in her. His payday was going down the drain...

Someone on HIS team found this empty bag...and is now trying to claim tampered evidence. Blaming the cops for some sort of failure. This lawyer should have taken a cash settlement weeks before...but thought he was going to win. Now that evidence is proving wrong...he's reaching.

DNA an overrated part of a prosecution, apparently.

 

[winos5]

The more that comes out on this case the more I'm thinking Kane is the victim here.

 

[ClydeLee]

I'm sorry but that makes no sense. If the evidence was not tampered with, what's the point of all this? Someone threw away an empty bag and her lawyers claim it was delivered to them, a claim with zero proof offered to substantiate it by the way. If the evidence was not tampered with, we are back to square one, that being Kane's DNA not found in her and the semen of two other men having been.

If it was tampered with, then the bag mysteriously having been sent to her mother of all people would be the spark that kicks the whole investigation off. The problem is, if it WAS tampered with, that by definition equals conspiracy. There is no way around that.

Here is the problem, her lawyers ARE claiming the DNA was tampered with by declaring that the results showing the absence of Kane's DNA and the presence of two mens is invalid. Her lawyer made that very claim during the conference in response to a question. "It's not true". Once you claim that the DNA evidence is "not true", you are claiming it has been tampered with since the official results show the opposite of what you are claiming. Once you claim it has been tampered with you are claiming a conspiracy.

So yes, by claiming the DNA results are "not true" as her lawyer did, he is indeed claiming a conspiracy, and using this empty bag jive to attempt to substantiate it. If he accepted the results of the DNA evidence but just had chain of custody issues you might have a small point. But he didn't do that. He specifically rejected the official DNA evidence as untrue.

You seem to have some problem dissociating separate claims... claims of presumed conspiracy and a claim of Kane being intentionally behind the process of it are separate claims.

Also it doesn't negate that tampering could be an action of one person and the attorney didn't proclaim it was certainly an action of multiple people. It wouldn't be a conspiracy in that case if that was his conclusions.

 

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[italianbeef]

DNA an overrated part of a prosecution, apparently.

If that's the case the DA would have called only the complainant to the GJ and gotten his "ham sandwich" indictment. Like, weeks ago.

 

[Joker85]

DNA an overrated part of a prosecution, apparently.

"Most crimes" are not rapes. DNA is crucial to a rape case. Embezzlement? Not so much. Tax evasion? Not so much. She has been on the Kane lynch mob since day one. Indeed as we speak shes having a meltdown on twitter as people call her out for trying to pretend the DNA evidence exonerating Kane is no big deal.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Double slow winking at you again Ares.