Warren/Poles Dynamic - Silvy says Poles is frustrated reporting to Warren, Mutual Parting Coming?

[Chicago Staleys]

On the flip side there seems to also be people who think no one ever has any sort of inside information and therefore just sit back and act like old men yelling get off my lawn.

One of this forums biggest fuckups was giving shit like you just did to Aaron Leming, who was the only one saying that Ryan Pace was going to be the GM when everybody else including the major media reporters and all the scoopers said it was going to be Chris Ballard.

Leming ended up being correct.

Another time was when Dan Bernstein was reporting back in the day that the Bears were looking to trade Greg Olson. The forum celebrated him being wrong when it didn't happen during the summer he first reported it, only for it to happen the following summer because they couldn't get a deal worked out in the first summer that they liked.

The rumors aren't always correct but to sit there and poke fun at people who like following them as if the rumors are always wrong is lazy and just stupid. As long as people don't take it too seriously that sort of thing can be fun. And if it's not your cup of tea cool. But let other people have their fun.

Im confused, am I stopping anyone from having their “fun”?

 

[KittiesKorner]

On the flip side there seems to also be people who think no one ever has any sort of inside information and therefore just sit back and act like old men yelling get off my lawn.

One of this forums biggest fuckups was giving shit like you just did to Aaron Leming, who was the only one saying that Ryan Pace was going to be the GM when everybody else including the major media reporters and all the scoopers said it was going to be Chris Ballard.

Leming ended up being correct.

Another time was when Dan Bernstein was reporting back in the day that the Bears were looking to trade Greg Olson. The forum celebrated him being wrong when it didn't happen during the summer he first reported it, only for it to happen the following summer because they couldn't get a deal worked out in the first summer that they liked.

The rumors aren't always correct but to sit there and poke fun at people who like following them as if the rumors are always wrong is lazy and just stupid. As long as people don't take it too seriously that sort of thing can be fun. And if it's not your cup of tea cool. But let other people have their fun.

So your idea of having fun is being a total poseur without your own opinions (since you admittedly don’t watch the games) since 2004 but complaining when people have a problem with your retweets?

Why do you even bother retweeting others’ opinions if you don’t watch the games?

 

[TL1961]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1866294983852016124

It's been pretty clear that something was up at last week's press conference. A lot of reports are coming out from the Bears and it's pretty clear to me that both Poles and Warren are leaking separate things to make each other look bad (last weeks report that Harbaugh was a no go because of Warren felt like it came from Poles).

At this point I welcome the divorce. If we're going to get a top end HC, he's going to want his guy at GM and Poles hasn't shown he's capable of building a winner so it's best to end this early than too late.

Warren should be working on the stadium and poles should be running the football as he was hired to do. If he fails, he fails, but this dysfunction will as you say turn people off.

 

[DefNextYear]

Questions of ignorance:

1. Didn't Poles report to Phillips?
2. What percentage of GMs report directly to the owner (assuming the GM isn't also the president)?

 

[Myk]

Aren't these guys supposed to be professional radio people?

So why do their mics sound like classic video game trolls with their gain maxed? That's 100% intentional. There's a meter right there showing they are pegging.
Even if they weren't pros the usual way people set that in ignorance is too quiet, nobody pegs it accidentally on purpose.
You are being trolled, Chicago.

 

[DefNextYear]

The guy who has been involved in every move for three years? Genius!!!

This is the equivalent of the backup QB always being better.

Well, to be fair, sometimes the backup is. Cunningham may very well go on to be a better GM than Poles. The best GM in the league today was once somewhere down the food chain when they started... or the best coaches were position coaches or OCs at one time. It's the natural way of things. QB is a little different cause they're drafted based on accomplishments. Hiring front office people can be a bit harder since there's not a list of accomplishments until they're given the keys.

 

[Les Grossman]

If any of this is true, why the FU CK would any new GM want to come here ?? Lol

 

[Myk]

If any of this is true, why the FU CK would any new GM want to come here ?? Lol

Because you're generally reporting to the CEO anyway.

Because George is not "the owner", that would be Virginia. George may as well be anyone else with McCaskey in his name.

Like I said, you're being trolled, Chicago.

 

[Dstone5553]

They both suck, had enough. It all comes back to George, who keeps picking these clowns

Agreed.

Warren is a fucking mess. This organization just keeps doubling down on stupid.

It's actually pretty impressive any org can get it wrong this fantastically and this consistently.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Well, to be fair, sometimes the backup is. Cunningham may very well go on to be a better GM than Poles. The best GM in the league today was once somewhere down the food chain when they started... or the best coaches were position coaches or OCs at one time. It's the natural way of things. QB is a little different cause they're drafted based on accomplishments. Hiring front office people can be a bit harder since there's not a list of accomplishments until they're given the keys.

Maybe so but the only reason anyone wants him was because of a Hard Knocks clip. None of us know what moves he did or didn’t advocate for do we?

 

[Myk]

Maybe so but the only reason anyone wants him was because of a Hard Knocks clip. None of us know what moves he did or didn’t advocate for do we?

That's just it for all this crap. Nobody knows because nobody is behind the scenes to know.

We know what normal is and we know the McCaskeys don't normally do normal especially when it comes to rookie GMs.

 

[mecha]

If any of this is true, why the FU CK would any new GM want to come here ?? Lol

they default to hiring someone desperate to get their foot in the door somewhere. I think with exception to maybe Jerry Angelo in recent times every Bears GM has been a nepo hire or first timer. my stance on this subject is we just have to watch it play out. it's not like any of us are jedi mind tricking someone within the organization to hire the best available option.

 

[Zvbxrpl]

At this point I welcome the divorce.

100%.

As for Poles' "feelings" should this report be true--I don't care. He made this bed. Time to lie down in it. He had 3 years to turn this team into something. And now, after 3 years--the only thing he has to show for the team he built results-wise is a team worthy of a top 10 pick in the springtime draft.

He was supposed to be the 'OL guru' and he failed, comically and exponentially. He built the team trenches last and now we still are wondering why with all these WRs who can get 'separation' when there's no desired results. He has the dead last OL in the league, 26th year 2, and right now the bears' unit is again bottom 10. I see the trend, but much of this fanbase will stick their heads in the sand.

You need a guy who will do the unsexy thing, and invest in the trenches. Fans won't like it, but unfortunately, these are the part of the fanbase I'm targeting that have to get smarter, because I do believe with the money-loving McCaskeys, that they DO want to appease the part of the fanbase that gives them more $$$. The same people cheering for WR3 with a top 10 pick in last year's draft.

There are already posters on this board suggesting the Bears should take another WR in the first round next spring. Some suggest Safety should go high, too. It's nauseating and stupid, and it still won't fix a bottom OL in the league for three years straight. Having even 1 impact IOL even with 2 OTs I'm highly critical of next year will make a tremendous difference--and the unwillingness from bears fans for that makes me no longer question why this franchise has been irrelevant since 1985.

 

[Bearly]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1866294983852016124

It's been pretty clear that something was up at last week's press conference. A lot of reports are coming out from the Bears and it's pretty clear to me that both Poles and Warren are leaking separate things to make each other look bad (last weeks report that Harbaugh was a no go because of Warren felt like it came from Poles).

At this point I welcome the divorce. If we're going to get a top end HC, he's going to want his guy at GM and Poles hasn't shown he's capable of building a winner so it's best to end this early than too late.

Not a comment on the actual situation but this reporting is just more lame crap from Silvy. We all say the press conference and this is just extrapolation from it and no better than the team wants Bagent report bullshit. This time, it may be a happenstance correlation as there's obviously a new power dynamic but Silvy is just projecting without any inside knowledge. Poles and Warren aren't leaking shit.

Why TF would they bother with that sort of weak sauce that makes everyone look worse. They may have their flaws but they aren't emo message board stupid.

About the situation, Poles should feel threatened at this point since you judge a GM by his record (he's had enough time to at least be 500) and but these guys will keep it in house. The problem with cleaning house below the pres is that it's like doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result. The thing that could accomplish something like that with more continuity is to slide Cunningham into Poles slot.

It also goes to the new HC hire. Top guys are not coming into a situation that looks like disarray. A new GM outside of Cunningham (who is respected in the league) could limit your HC hire and so could Poles if he's viewed as a rental. I'm not a Poles hater and will be OK if he's here next year but his position is all about results and those speak for themselves plus it's been reported that he was the guy that prevented the Bear from making the correct move of changing their HC after last year which has obviously set this team back again.

 

[Bearly]

On the flip side there seems to also be people who think no one ever has any sort of inside information and therefore just sit back and act like old men yelling get off my lawn.

One of this forums biggest fuckups was giving shit like you just did to Aaron Leming, who was the only one saying that Ryan Pace was going to be the GM when everybody else including the major media reporters and all the scoopers said it was going to be Chris Ballard.

Leming ended up being correct.

Another time was when Dan Bernstein was reporting back in the day that the Bears were looking to trade Greg Olson. The forum celebrated him being wrong when it didn't happen during the summer he first reported it, only for it to happen the following summer because they couldn't get a deal worked out in the first summer that they liked.

The rumors aren't always correct but to sit there and poke fun at people who like following them as if the rumors are always wrong is lazy and just stupid. As long as people don't take it too seriously that sort of thing can be fun. And if it's not your cup of tea cool. But let other people have their fun.

This isn't a leak competition. If Warren wants Poles gone, he gone and there'd be no reason to wait with Cunningham waiting in the wings. Don't make this an inverse false flag situation.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

The problem with cleaning house below the pres is that it's like doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result. The thing that could accomplish something like that with more continuity is to slide Cunningham into Poles slot.

I agree with your post in a general sense, but I don't see the "cleaning house" as doing the same thing over and over. The Bears always seem to do a half-ass job of cleaning house. It's never straightforward. Just look at Kevin Warren. He's nominally the Team President, but can you actually say who had the final say for hiring Matt Eberflus? Do we really even know who had the final say for firing Eberflus? All we know is that the firing was totally botched.

I think an actually 'house cleaning' is needed, but I don't foresee the Bears doing that...they are going to keep Warren around and the organization will continue to be dysfunctional.

 

[Bearly]

Maybe so but the only reason anyone wants him was because of a Hard Knocks clip. None of us know what moves he did or didn’t advocate for do we?

I didn't watch hard knocks after a minute af beta speak from Flus and have also mentioned Cunningham only because he's had other GM interviews and offers. No one knows how he'll be until he gets a gig but it's been reported that he and Warren were on the same new HC page last offseason while Poles insisted on keeping Flus.

Some continuity may help with the next HC hire as well. Any available experienced GM would only be available due to a previous fail. Cunningham could be better or worse but what would you suggest IF Poles is shown the door?

 

[msadows]

I agree with your post in a general sense, but I don't see the "cleaning house" as doing the same thing over and over. The Bears always seem to do a half-ass job of cleaning house. It's never straightforward. Just look at Kevin Warren. He's nominally the Team President, but can you actually say who had the final say for hiring Matt Eberflus? Do we really even know who had the final say for firing Eberflus? All we know is that the firing was totally botched.

I think an actually 'house cleaning' is needed, but I don't foresee the Bears doing that...they are going to keep Warren around and the organization will continue to be dysfunctional.

Pretty clear at this point the final say is George, who for a fan who knows nothing about football sure makes a lot of football decisions

 

[Bearly]

Pretty clear at this point the final say is George, who for a fan who knows nothing about football sure makes a lot of football decisions

Owners on any team can always veto something so ultimately, that is not unusual. In the Flus firing instance, I would suspect he would have preferred to not change horses mid stream but allowed his people to do their jobs. Any meeting with him before the move should be viewed as professional courtesy as opposed to owner generated.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I didn't watch hard knocks after a minute af beta speak from Flus and have also mentioned Cunningham only because he's had other GM interviews and offers. No one knows how he'll be until he gets a gig but it's been reported that he and Warren were on the same new HC page last offseason while Poles insisted on keeping Flus.

Some continuity may help with the next HC hire as well. Any available experienced GM would only be available due to a previous fail. Cunningham could be better or worse but what would you suggest IF Poles is shown the door?

I haven’t researched any of these guys but I would look at teams that have drafted well recently and try to hire whoever directed their college scouting departments. It’s all about drafting well in my book.